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'One disaster after another': Most tie extreme weather to global warming, poll finds
The New York Times on MSNBC ^ | 4/18/2012 | JUSTIN GILLIS

Posted on 04/18/2012 1:44:48 AM PDT by carriage_hill

Scientists may hesitate to link some of the weather extremes of recent years to global warming — but the public, it seems, is already there.

A poll due for release on Wednesday shows that a large majority of Americans believe that this year’s unusually warm winter, last year’s blistering summer and some other weather disasters were probably made worse by global warming. And by a 2-to-1 margin, the public says the weather has been getting worse, rather than better, in recent years.

The survey, the most detailed to date on the public response to weather extremes, comes atop other polling showing a recent uptick in concern about climate change. Read together, the polls suggest that direct experience of erratic weather may be convincing some people that the problem is no longer just a vague and distant threat.

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Calling Algore; stop dancing that AGW climate jig and pick-up the getting-warmer red courtesy phone... your gullible, adoring American Public is waiting.
1 posted on 04/18/2012 1:44:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

The left does science by public opinion polls; and they call us uneducated.


2 posted on 04/18/2012 1:50:37 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: carriage_hill

I guess the thousands frozen and dead in Europe:

http://www.travelpulse.com/at-least-300-dead-as-bitter-winter-plagues-europe.html

and also in the Ukraine:

http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2012/02/03/bitter-winter-ukraine-uses-more-gas-gazprom-gas-shortfalls-in-europe/

would agree that global warming is a real serious problem, Algore.


3 posted on 04/18/2012 1:51:47 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

Could the Amish be behind the AGW hoax? /sar


4 posted on 04/18/2012 1:52:04 AM PDT by animal172 (Calling the Founding Fathers!! We need your help.)
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To: ALPAPilot

Science by survey.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 1:53:15 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: ALPAPilot

Either public opinion polls or rigged, phony “science” studies to “prove” their bogus POVs, 99% of which are refutable by real, documented science.


6 posted on 04/18/2012 1:54:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

What really bugs me about it is that even though it would be a very BAD thing to have this “climate change”, “global warming”, “AGW”, etc. be facts of life on earth, virtually all of the people who believe it is do hope very much that it’s true just because they don’t like being proven wrong. In other words, they don’t mean well. They’re misanthropes who probably wish that “the planet” could be rid of human beings altogether.


7 posted on 04/18/2012 2:10:06 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: carriage_hill

I’m not surprised. The majority of any public is easily swayed by ecstatic, emotional idolatry. The modern obsession with global warming is little different, functionally, from the pagan inhabitants of Easter Island erecting giant statutes in order to control the weather.

You see, human beings like to feel important. We like to feel as if our every action, our every thought, our slightest whim or fancy, can shape mountains out of the mist and bring great monoliths crashing down. Any fantasy that speaks to the unintentional omnipotence of the human condition is a heady drug, a near siren’s call to today’s narcissistic and self-absorbed human being.

This is how shamans and cult-priests controlled civilizations historically - a gullible peasant population was easily swayed by the false rituals and the magician’s tricks of false prophets and idolaters. Bow down before the Golden Calf, peasant, lest ye be smote.

The modern liberal is little different than the medieval peasant he or she heaps self-righteous scorn upon. They both partake of talismanic logic - trusting unerringly and wholeheartedly to their symbols of faith, never bothering to look for any truth or any divine light behind the robes of the anointed priesthood and never understanding the rituals or symbols prominently displayed by their idols. Only, today their idol is “science” - though they spout heresies like ‘the science is settled’, and you’d be a lucky man indeed if you could find a global warming cultist that could define off the top of his or her head what scientific method actually entails.

I sincerely doubt that many of those global warming supporters have actually read the International Panel on Climate Change reports, and of the handful that may have I doubt you’d find more than a couple that actually understood the methodology or verbiage used in the reports. The first IPCC report predicted a significant rise in temperature in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, where CO2 concentrates and where it is likely to perform any minuscule role it has as a greenhouse gas. However, unfortunately for the cultists, in the predicted time period there was no observed temperature increases in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, where one would expect, yet a temperature increase of twice the predicted rate at surface level - where CO2 would have little if any effect.

Faulty predictions aside, and a willful ignorance of solar output notwithstanding, the most recent IPCC report manages to skirt faulty science and predictive models incapable of prediction with a bit off good old-fashioned prestidigitation: merely find some factor that you KNOW will increase by a set amount over a given time, and then claim that your miraculous new scientific snake oil predicts that the factor will increase by said amount.

In this case, the researchers took established sea-level trends that describe what we’d expect the sea-level to do over the next century based off of existing trends that are almost entirely independent of human industrial activity, lowball said estimates, and then claim that a perfectly normal sea-level rise as predicted by centuries of existing trend must somehow, magically, be the result of man-made climate change. ABRACADABRA! If you can’t create a mathematical model that predicts reality and confirms your theory, just make up a few numbers and hope that no one notices!

So, can I get my multi-million dollar climate research grant now?


8 posted on 04/18/2012 2:13:21 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: carriage_hill

“A mjority of Americans” meaning those who read the New York Times and watches MSNBC. So, my scientific analysis? Their audience is comprised of gullible dupes by a 2-to-1 margin...at the very least.


9 posted on 04/18/2012 2:15:21 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: carriage_hill
I'll reasonably attach it to being caused by many things - not the least of which is God's Wrath - but I will NOT hitch my cart to that globalist circle jerk scam Algore has been perpetuating for twenty years. He needs to be sharing a bar of soap with George Soros in whatever prison shower we can finally convict and sentence then both to.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

--H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920


10 posted on 04/18/2012 2:23:21 AM PDT by Viking2002 ( "I didn't just write 'Wango Tango'...........I MEANT it." - Ted Nugent)
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To: Viking2002

“...sharing a bar of soap...”

Soap-on-a-rope-for-dopes.


11 posted on 04/18/2012 2:28:09 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: equaviator

At this point of all the money and supposed credibility they’ve spent, they’re all far too *invested* in it to retract or retreat in the face of factual, scientific information, to the contrary. Their twisted, sick utopian-gaia agenda takes precedence over fact, every time.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 2:32:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: animal172
Yes the AMISH are behind it with this evil invention:


13 posted on 04/18/2012 2:32:31 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: jameslalor

Well said, and pick-up your grant check at the last office door on the right, and the end of the hall.


14 posted on 04/18/2012 2:34:36 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: ALPAPilot

Even their “scientific” research is not scientific.


15 posted on 04/18/2012 2:34:49 AM PDT by dbeall
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To: Jagdgewehr

That amounts to millions of “uneducated skulls of mush” (Rush), and shows us all what we’re still up against, as more and more kids are indoctrinated by the criminal, corrupt left, in the failing-to-do-their-real-job, public schools.


16 posted on 04/18/2012 2:37:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

So this polling group gives computers to poor households and then uses these folks, the least likely people to be able to understand the “global warming” nonsense and then cites their responses among the numbers. Additionally, the article doesn’t say how MANY people were polled. Polls are worthless unless you’re talking about a poll representing at least 10% of the population. Otherwise it’s just opinion. This is not science.


17 posted on 04/18/2012 2:39:35 AM PDT by dbeall
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To: lightman; SF_Redux

Ping to this thread.


18 posted on 04/18/2012 2:39:55 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Quix

This may interest you. I can imagine that when Christ Jesus raptures His Church the remaining population comfort themselves with the continuing delusion that Climate Change is responsible.


19 posted on 04/18/2012 2:49:32 AM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: carriage_hill

When I was in grade school (early 70s), we were taught that glaciers formed the White Mountains of New Hampshire as they descended during an ice age. From that I have always reasoned that climate change is neither unusual nor man made. I have not heard a single person complain about this version of climate change. I only wish I could believe this year’s weather patterns will continue to the end of my life.


20 posted on 04/18/2012 2:50:03 AM PDT by wizwor
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To: maddog55

“Yes the AMISH are behind it with this evil invention:”

What? A picture of a fire? Who would have thought?


21 posted on 04/18/2012 2:51:45 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: carriage_hill

If the winter is hot, it’s global warming. If there’s a blizzard, it’s global warming. If there’s a flood, it’s global warming. If there’s a drought, it’s global warming. If there’s any weather at all, it’s global warming. Everything proves that there’s global warming. All who disagree are in league with the Devil/corporate interests/right wing cabal. Now that science is here, we don’t need faith anymore./sarc


22 posted on 04/18/2012 2:54:34 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: carriage_hill

Global warming is a good thing, I’ve been playing softball here in S.E. Michigan since early March and even played a few times in both January and Feb........


23 posted on 04/18/2012 2:55:13 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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To: dbeall

I’ve always believed that all polling is strictly opinion, never science. Studies are science, and opinion pollutes them to the point of being worthless. The leftists combine the two and call it “fact”.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 2:57:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: wizwor

I was in grade school in the early 50s, and I’ve noticed a very, very radical climatic weather shift from bitter-cold Dec-Mar snow-covered ground to warm winters and no snow-cover. But I attribute it to cyclical patterns, not AGW. It’s been going on for millions of years, and mankind can’t change squat.

Warm over here; cold over there. Just the way it is. We didn’t do it.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 3:01:07 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

Amazingly there was one small nugget of truth on the radio yesterday where some NOAA guy told Hilary (vapid idiot announcer) Howard of WTOP in DC that global warming does NOT cause more tornadoes.


26 posted on 04/18/2012 3:02:41 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I kind of miss the widespread snow-cover in winter, in these recent decades, but there’s nothing we can do about it.


27 posted on 04/18/2012 3:02:54 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill
The Left has totally hijacked the Ad Council—literally billions of dollars of our money are being diverted to proselytize socialist notions as if they were based in fact.

The Ad Council is supposed to be nonpartisan and should be investigated and, if necessary, disbanded for being political hacks for the Democrats.

28 posted on 04/18/2012 3:03:19 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Palin/Santorum 2016--cuz if reelected, Mitt won't have to pretend anymore.")
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To: palmer

He’s probably on a job search today, as a result of that bit-of-truth slipping thru the cracks. LOL.


29 posted on 04/18/2012 3:04:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill
A poll due for release on Wednesday shows that a large majority of Americans believe that this year’s unusually warm winter, last year’s blistering summer and some other weather disasters were probably made worse by global warming.

Was it this same group of Americans that elected Obama?

The man in the street presents interesting connections; just listen to Rev. Wright, or Hillary Clinton. They demonstrate amazing logic to connect the dots for you.

30 posted on 04/18/2012 3:11:43 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Hot Tabasco
Global warming is a good thing

Can't be emphasized enough. We spend roughly twice as much on heat as on A/C in this country and a lot of the A/C is wasted in inefficient office buildings. The use of A/C is somewhat optional in Virginia where I live, but heat is not for 3 months out of the year and necessary for 2 more months just to be able to function on cold days.

It is worth mentioning that the early warmth in March followed by typical cold frosts has caused some problems for some farmers. But that warmth came from a natural pattern, global warming can only add a degree or two on top of it and the typical temperatures in April show that global warming is not a major factor.

31 posted on 04/18/2012 3:14:13 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: carriage_hill
I am sooooooo tired of this global warming/climate change BS...does any one even notice that when a 'record high' is established; the record that is broken is often from the 1920's or 1930's...

What will they blame it on as the east coast (who oversees all) enters a cool and rainy period thru early May.

32 posted on 04/18/2012 3:16:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: carriage_hill
There will be great earthquakes in various places (Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:12; 16:18-20). The sea and waves will roar because of these earthquakes and cause severe panic among millions of people (Luke 21:25). There will also be cosmic signs and disasters that will strike the world from outer space. Among these will be meteor showers and asteroids that will cause devastation on earth (Rev. 6:13; 8:8-9). Furthermore, there will be unequalled heat waves and hailstorms (Rev. 16:8-9,21).

When the signs that indicate the tribulation period only begin to become evident (Luke 21:28), we must lift up our heads because our redemption draws near.

33 posted on 04/18/2012 3:26:46 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: .30Carbine

So very true, brother. See my post 33.


34 posted on 04/18/2012 3:37:40 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: olezip

Yes, part of that same 52% idiot-moron-robot crowd who voted 0bummer&Co into office.


35 posted on 04/18/2012 3:39:08 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: who knows what evil?

They’re focused on the *now*, and not on the *as compared to*, so they intentionally miss the important data. It’s rigged from start to finish.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 3:41:02 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Amen to that, ES.


37 posted on 04/18/2012 3:41:47 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Happy Rain

The left has quietly infiltrated and now owns the govt and its agencies, lock-stock-&-barrel. A massive cleansing/flushing-out is going to be needed to rid America of those socialists/commies/Marxists/statists, but they’re so firmly entrenched, it’s scary for our Nation’s future.


38 posted on 04/18/2012 3:46:22 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill
It's like their hero Lenin said, “We will make them pay for the rope we use to hang them.”

Tax dollars at work to enslave the taxpayer...pheh!

39 posted on 04/18/2012 3:53:45 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Palin/Santorum 2016--cuz if reelected, Mitt won't have to pretend anymore.")
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To: ALPAPilot
The left does science by public opinion polls; and they call us uneducated.

The left tells the public lies, and when the public believes the lies, they all say, "Look, Mommy! How science-y we are!!!"

40 posted on 04/18/2012 3:58:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Day 6 of the 17-Day Diet ... -6.8 lbs. from Day 0. (Please to excuse incoherent posts.)
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To: Happy Rain

Exactly, HR.

Uh oh, storms coming. Got to go batten down the hatches. BBL...


41 posted on 04/18/2012 3:59:01 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

Since they don’t believe in a higher power, they have to blame someone.


42 posted on 04/18/2012 4:42:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: carriage_hill

My opinion. The extreme weather started the moment obama stepped foot into the white hut. Get him out of there and all will be well again.

The weather this year is the same as it was two years ago. Nothing has changed. Same pattern. One year we had 7 feet of snow, the next year, 7 feet of water. no biggie. Stuff like this happened in the past also when there were no snowplows or generators. We have it easy in this century.


43 posted on 04/18/2012 4:43:48 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

The last Blizzard we had here was the “President’s Day Blizzard of 2003” (Feb 22?), and it’s been fairly snowless ever since, with the exception of some very cold Jan/Feb months. The past 3 years have been very mild and this year saw 4-5” of snow/ice, little rain and no cold weather. We’re in for a major insect infestation this spring, summer & fall:

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=infestation+mild+winter&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest


44 posted on 04/18/2012 4:57:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill
LOL ... 41% of those polled really don't give a sh!t.

3. The weather or changes in the weather really do not matter to me.
Strongly agree 6
Somewhat agree 15
Neither agree nor disagree 20

45 posted on 04/18/2012 5:13:27 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Evil Slayer; Whosoever
There will be great earthquakes in various places (Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:12; 16:18-20). The sea and waves will roar because of these earthquakes and cause severe panic among millions of people (Luke 21:25). There will also be cosmic signs and disasters that will strike the world from outer space. Among these will be meteor showers and asteroids that will cause devastation on earth (Rev. 6:13; 8:8-9). Furthermore, there will be unequalled heat waves and hailstorms (Rev. 16:8-9,21).

When the signs that indicate the tribulation period only begin to become evident (Luke 21:28), we must lift up our heads because our redemption draws near.

Thank you for bringing all those prophecies from the word of God to this thread. The Bible predicted this weather over two thousand years ago! And now the folks who can't even tell us what the weather will be next week want everyone to listen to them! Well the Christians know better!

For those who have not yet read the Bible, or who have not yet believed on the Lord Jesus Christ as Conquerer and King, if you are interested, take the verses mentioned above, such as "Luke 21:28" and paste them into this search engine: Biblegateway.com

46 posted on 04/18/2012 5:16:12 AM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: carriage_hill
tell that to the Europeans...
47 posted on 04/18/2012 5:20:02 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: carriage_hill
"In the past year have you personally experienced each of the extreme weather events or natural disasters listed below?"

The only answer to even break the 50% mark: "Extreme High Winds".

But wait, let's go to that breakdown: Nat. Avg. 60% / NE 71% / Midw 70% / South 46% / West 63%

Now, Midw=El Nino's amplified Southern jet stream, but what from 2011 could account for the NE response? Hmmm...

Oh, yeah, a meandering, overdue, overblown, downgraded-to-TS-at-landfall Category 1 hurricane. And what did the Yalie's do during this? Published a Irene drinking game, of course. Probably where they came up with this "poll".

48 posted on 04/18/2012 5:27:25 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: carriage_hill

The Left’s work is done.


49 posted on 04/18/2012 5:28:51 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: carriage_hill
Mitt Romney's global warming blunder
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/06/mitt_romneys_global_warming_blunder.html

50 posted on 04/18/2012 5:33:17 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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