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Hotels, rec centers try to slow pool access regs
AP ^ | 4/18/2012 | Russ Bynum

Posted on 04/18/2012 8:55:42 AM PDT by B Knotts

SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) - Owners and managers of swimming pools at hotels, city recreation centers and public parks are scrambling to install mechanical chair lifts to comply with new federal requirements that all public pools be accessible to disabled swimmers.

Some hotels fear the cost of the equipment or fines for noncompliance could put them out of business, and an industry lobbyist says others may close their pools this summer if they can't upgrade in time, though the government can offer more time to those having trouble paying for it. Swimmers with disabilities say the changes are overdue.

"I couldn't get into the pool without it," said Karen Kitchen of Savannah, who has multiple sclerosis and relies on a poolside chair lift at the Chatham County Aquatic Center for her physical therapy workouts up to four times a week.

Adding to the problem is a backlog of orders created by the rush to meet a May deadline. Harry Spirides ordered lifts last month for the hotel he owns on Georgia's largest public beach and was told they should arrive in late April. He expects to pay $12,000 for the lifts at the Ocean Plaza Beach Resort on Tybee Island.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ada; constitution; disability; pools; recreation; regulation
I must have overlooked the section in the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to oversee pools. Obviously swimming in a pool is "interstate commerce."
1 posted on 04/18/2012 8:55:46 AM PDT by B Knotts
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Getting someone who is wheel-chair bound into a pool is easy—all you need is a ramp. Getting them out reliably is going to be the problem.


2 posted on 04/18/2012 9:01:34 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: B Knotts
"I couldn't get into the pool without it," said Karen Kitchen of Savannah, who has multiple sclerosis and relies on a poolside chair lift at the Chatham County Aquatic Center for her physical therapy workouts up to four times a week.

"And if I can't use the pool at the Hyatt in Atlanta, neither can you!"

(Next, let's ban high school track teams.)

ML/NJ

3 posted on 04/18/2012 9:01:39 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: B Knotts

Every time a lawyer comes up with another BS money grab, a horn blows in hell.


4 posted on 04/18/2012 9:03:13 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

This should also remind us that we have President George H.W. Bush to thank for this particular unconstitutional mandate.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 9:07:01 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: B Knotts
What I would like to know is how often these lifts get used at hotel pools and apartment pools. I can understand needing them at a YMCA or health spa where people swim for the therapeutic benefits, but I don't understand why every single public pool must have one.

That is the common sense side, the constitutional side is another issue.

6 posted on 04/18/2012 9:11:48 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Pearls Before Swine
A ramp? Who needs a ramp?
 
Just get somebody close by.
 
 
 
 
Just be sure they know what they're doing. Or else if you're not crippled - YOU SOON WILL BE.

7 posted on 04/18/2012 9:21:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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“I couldn’t get into the pool without it,” said Karen Kitchen”

Obamacare can handle it, calling Dr Kevorkian!!!!


8 posted on 04/18/2012 9:22:09 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: aberaussie

So who makes these lifts and which politicians are they buddy buddy with?


9 posted on 04/18/2012 9:24:23 AM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Gasshog

That was my thought, too. Good question. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if there were some connection to lobbying/contributions. In fact, I’d be shocked if that wasn’t the real reason behind this regulation.


10 posted on 04/18/2012 9:34:37 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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This stuff really frosts me. I have empathy for disabled people, but why should 99.9% of the people in this country indirectly pay for their access to a POOL? We aren’t talking about a fundamental right. It’s a freaking POOL.


11 posted on 04/18/2012 9:56:59 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“A ramp? Who needs a ramp?”

Just rent a small backhoe, or ditch witch.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 10:01:50 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: laxcoach

99% of these things will never be used after they are installed. Just a waste of money.

More kids will get hurt playing on them than any benefit they might have.


13 posted on 04/18/2012 10:06:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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I’d be shocked if that wasn’t the real reason behind this regulation.

That's most likely part of it.

Still, the source of all this garbage is the great Statist, Bush 41 and his kindler, gentler nation. He lovingly proposed the ADA. The ADA has been nothing but a windfall for lawyers.

99.9% of all non-military government spending is absolute waste.

14 posted on 04/18/2012 10:08:20 AM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: B Knotts
Shut down the pools, post a sign blaming the ADA with the address of the local representative and senator and see how long that part of the law lasts.

The ADA requires a "reasonable accommodation". I haven't heard anyone say why keeping the portable lifts aren't reasonable anymore? Will gas stations soon have to have an automated arm to insert the gas nozzle instead of a handicapped person who can't do it himself ringing a bell to have someone pump the gas for them?

15 posted on 04/18/2012 10:16:12 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: B Knotts
The first ones to be affected will be “Holder's people”. Many small and poor municipalities cannot afford these updates.

BTW - don't a lot of wheelchair folks have bowel and bladder control issues?

16 posted on 04/18/2012 10:39:49 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: B Knotts

I had gotten quotes for lift systems for a disabled relative in 2008/9, the “commercial” models cost about $5500 including installation and taxes, to get installed, annual maintenance contracts were available for less than $400, but the local installation contractor told me he only sells the maintenance contract to elderly folks without anyone to do the simple steps to keep the lift working.

Under these regulations the height of basketball hoops could be regulated by FedGov?


17 posted on 04/18/2012 10:43:57 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Good idea about basketball hoops. I say we bring ‘em down to 7’ so everyone can dunk.


18 posted on 04/18/2012 11:30:00 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: B Knotts; Gasshog
So who makes these lifts and which politicians are they buddy buddy with?

Well, there are a lot of companies.

But, the interesting part is that this requires A RAMP to go in on, A LIFT to remove persons in a wheelchair, AND a lift for persons NOT in a wheelchair.

Then we have the ENORMOUSLY HUGE FAT PERSON lift (in case one of them ever makes it out of the house).

Eventually, the motorized scooter (like the grocery stores have) for people who are just fat and lazy.

My plan is to use the large LIFT to drop in a jet ski. After all, it would be 'unfair' if ONLY handicapped people were allowed use of these government mandated devices.

19 posted on 04/18/2012 12:42:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Getting someone who is wheel-chair bound into a pool is easy—all you need is a ramp.

Apparently, you must have a RAMP and a LIFT. And not just one LIFT but two different types.

20 posted on 04/18/2012 12:44:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: laxcoach
It’s a freaking POOL.

Speaking of which, will they be using their battery powered wheelchairs in the pool?

Or will they have to 'buy' a new Waterproof model?

21 posted on 04/18/2012 12:48:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Under these regulations the height of basketball hoops could be regulated by FedGov?

Nonsense. Just mandate that all BB courts provide a lift to allow handicapped players to make jump shots.

22 posted on 04/18/2012 12:51:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: B Knotts
I must have overlooked the section in the Constitution that authorizes the federal government to oversee pools.

Just wait. The Feds do oversee the coastline, and people swim in the oceans (and lakes and rivers).

23 posted on 04/18/2012 12:54:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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——This stuff really frosts me. I have empathy for disabled people, but why should 99.9% of the people in this country indirectly pay for their access to a POOL? ——

I ran for school committee in the commie town I grew up in, to get some revenge. It was a suicide campaign.

Anyway, at a candidate’s roundtable interview with the local rag, we were asked about the cost of handicap-accessibility. After the others genuflected before unlimited spending, I suggested that in the rare event that there is a wheelchair-bound student, classes could be shifted around to a couple of handicap-accessible rooms.

Surprisingly, the reporter was visibly impressed. Not surprisingly, there was no mention of this idea in the news story.

Of course, it’s a moot point with the handicap laws, but the purpose of my campaign was to plant a virus in the computer.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 1:02:01 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: BO Stinkss
don't a lot of wheelchair folks have bowel and bladder control issues?

Some do, some don't.

Maybe there should be a HOME KIT.

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25 posted on 04/18/2012 1:11:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: B Knotts
Thanks for posting the article. While researching this, I found a cost effective and sensible solution.

Same principle/design as the Hydro-Hoist for boats.

Very simple, very maintenance free, and much cheaper than hydraulic lifts.

26 posted on 04/18/2012 1:19:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Responsibility2nd
A ramp? Who needs a ramp?

Wheelchair access--you roll right in, LOL.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 1:46:26 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: B Knotts
After reading this article and a few comments, I visited my aquatics center this afternoon. A disabled person has no problem getting in: just roll. The two pools have different designs. I successfully removed myself from both pools using only my arms, leaving my legs loose. It was not at all difficult.

I see no reason for the proposed machines other than pandering to another political interest group. I have devoted considerable time and effort to para-olympic competitions, so no one can accuse me of being hard-hearted.

28 posted on 04/18/2012 2:01:11 PM PDT by Kennard
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