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Serious blow to dark matter theories? New study finds mysterious lack of dark matter...
http://phys.org ^ | 04-18-2012 | Provided by ESO

Posted on 04/18/2012 12:11:06 PM PDT by Red Badger

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This annotated artist’s impression shows the Milky Way galaxy. The blue halo of material surrounding the galaxy indicates the expected distribution of the mysterious dark matter. New measurements based on the movements of stars show that the amount of dark matter in this region around the Sun is far smaller than predicted and have indicated that there is no significant dark matter at all in our neighbourhood. The blue sphere centred on the Sun’s position shows the approximate size of the newly surveyed volume, but not its precise shape. Credit: ESO/L. Calçada

1 posted on 04/18/2012 12:11:15 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Don’t look at me, I don’t have it.


2 posted on 04/18/2012 12:13:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Red Badger

The part of the picture they don’t understand is “God Matter”, or “Divine Consciousness”, commonly referred to as the “Holy Spirit.” It holds the universe together!


3 posted on 04/18/2012 12:14:39 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Red Badger

The answer is that we are allowed to see that which we do see and nothing else.


4 posted on 04/18/2012 12:16:03 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: Red Badger

The answer is that we are allowed to see that which we do see and nothing else.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 12:16:28 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, it is DARK matter. Maybe they should turn on the light............


6 posted on 04/18/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger
the Milky Way certainly rotates much faster than the visible matter alone can account for
A matter dark indeed.
7 posted on 04/18/2012 12:18:40 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: muawiyah

....or it was NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH..............


8 posted on 04/18/2012 12:19:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

Waysis.


9 posted on 04/18/2012 12:20:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Red Badger

Maybe dark matter is made up of all the ghosts that people claim to see. Do ghosts have mass?


10 posted on 04/18/2012 12:21:10 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: muawiyah

I recommend the book “Privileged Planet”.

Not only are we positioned in the perfect place for life to exist, but that placement is also the best possible location for study of the creation around us.


11 posted on 04/18/2012 12:21:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: samtheman

Which is really not all that ‘mysterious’ since we cannot see the black hole in the center of the galaxy, we cannot judge how much matter went into it that is no longer visible...........


12 posted on 04/18/2012 12:22:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger
Maybe 'Mars' has all the dark matter...

13 posted on 04/18/2012 12:22:40 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Red Badger

” But a new study by a team of astronomers in Chile has found that these theories just do not fit the observational facts. “

Well, in modern ‘science’, that’s not a setback — just adjust the theory to blame the ‘missing’ matter on the Evil Twins of Coal and SUVs, and the grant money will just come pouring in....


14 posted on 04/18/2012 12:22:48 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Red Badger

Oh dang, we don’t know everything after all. We should turn the problem over to the UN-affiliated AGW researchers. I’m sure they’d come up with a whiz-bang computer simulation that would require taxing everyone to pay for a socialist world without dark matter by Big Brother’s Executive Order.


15 posted on 04/18/2012 12:23:00 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Lazamataz

If there’s as much “dark matter” in the universe as these scientists postulate my lawn should be covered with the stuff.


16 posted on 04/18/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Red Badger

Scientists are wrong nearly as much as journalists.


17 posted on 04/18/2012 12:23:34 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: ZX12R
Do ghosts have mass?

Just the Catholic ones..............

18 posted on 04/18/2012 12:24:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

Naw, it’s there alright ~ lots of it. We just haven’t figured out how to perceive it ~ nor has that power been given to us as in a revelation ~


19 posted on 04/18/2012 12:26:16 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe all the Dark Matter is wearing hoodies so it can’t be identified.........


20 posted on 04/18/2012 12:26:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Lurker
If there’s as much “dark matter” in the universe as these scientists postulate my lawn should be covered with the stuff.

It is. That's not dog poo.

21 posted on 04/18/2012 12:27:23 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: muawiyah

‘Dark Matter’ is just a label, a name, to explain what the scientists don’t know...........The 21st century equivalent of ‘Aether’..............


22 posted on 04/18/2012 12:30:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve thought about that too. But obviously it’s not a possibility under consideration... and they are the “experts”...


23 posted on 04/18/2012 12:30:54 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Red Badger

Next up, my Really Really Dark Matter Theory. I need a grant.


24 posted on 04/18/2012 12:31:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Red Badger

Lots of words to say “we really don’t know much.”


25 posted on 04/18/2012 12:31:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: Billthedrill

So far they have come up with Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

I guess the NEXT theory will be Dark Gravity.............


26 posted on 04/18/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: muawiyah
Naw, it’s there alright ~ lots of it. We just haven’t figured out how to perceive it

So let me get this straight. This "dark matter" stuff exerts enough gravitational energy to keep the Universe from expanding forever but: It never seems to hit Earth even though Earth has it's own gravity. Somehow in all the billions of years Earth has been in existence they can't scrap ANY of the stuff off of ANYTHING. It's totally invisible except for it's gravitational influence. It emits no energy of any kind even when it's heated to millions and millions of degrees around stars and stuff. The dark matter theory has as much validity as AGW.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Red Badger

First “they” come for the dark matter. And then “they” come for the rest of us.


28 posted on 04/18/2012 12:33:41 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: Red Badger

LOL! That’s awesome!


29 posted on 04/18/2012 12:34:06 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: taterjay

But in science, being wrong is bad for you career..........


30 posted on 04/18/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger
Well dang, how could that be!
I mean we know everything about mass, gravity, the speed of light and the laws of physics here,
so they just have to apply precisely to the rest of the universe on a macroscopic scale………Right?
31 posted on 04/18/2012 12:36:10 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: cripplecreek

Where ever it is, when “O” finds it, he’ll tax it!


32 posted on 04/18/2012 12:37:06 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Red Badger

Didn’t they come up with the theories of “dark” energy and matter in order to fudge the calculations that disproved some pet creation theory, like the Big Bang?

There are a couple more problems, I’ve heard, as well.
Where are the monopole magnets and the missing anti-matter?

Why can Hubble “see” further away, light-years-wise, than they estimate the universe is old?


33 posted on 04/18/2012 12:39:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Red Badger

Well, I’m holding out hope. “It’s out there, I just can’t find it” is a perfectly viable state. It works for my car keys. And my sex life.


34 posted on 04/18/2012 12:42:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Red Badger

Yup.

Purely a fudge factor.


35 posted on 04/18/2012 12:44:35 PM PDT by djf (If you are depressed all the time, at least you are never disappointed!)
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To: cripplecreek
This guy took it...


36 posted on 04/18/2012 12:47:13 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Red Badger
Ah yes, the aether that was so dramatically proved to exist by the Michelson-Morley experiment.

A fiasco soon to be eclipsed by the failure to discover the "God particle" a.k.a. the Higgs boson.

I love hubris! It's what makes our _resident so special.

37 posted on 04/18/2012 1:03:31 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: djf

The more we understand the less we know. I love my faith cause it has all the answers.


38 posted on 04/18/2012 1:09:20 PM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: MrB
Where are the monopole magnets and the missing anti-matter?

Magnetic fields can send particles to infinity:

http://phys.org/news/2012-04-magnetic-fields-particles-infinity.html

39 posted on 04/18/2012 1:13:09 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Baseballguy

About a year ago, I stumbled on an article, can’t remember where exactly.

They said there had been further, much more refined runs of the Michelson-Morley experiments and that they had indeed showed some kind of cosmic drift, or Zero-Point energy field related to spatial geometry, thus contradicting GR.

But once again the effect was so small you can’t hardly put your finger on it...


40 posted on 04/18/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by djf (If you are depressed all the time, at least you are never disappointed!)
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To: Lazamataz

“Waysis.”

shouldn’t that be “Milky Waysist.”


41 posted on 04/18/2012 1:17:57 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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42 posted on 04/18/2012 1:27:57 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Pride in the USA

Just a ping for keeping up on the latest in astrophysics. Interesting stuff.


43 posted on 04/18/2012 1:33:46 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Red Badger

First “they” come for the dark matter. And then “they” come for the rest of us.


44 posted on 04/18/2012 1:50:21 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds, in being a one term president.)
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To: MrB
Didn’t they come up with the theories of “dark” energy and matter in order to fudge the calculations that disproved some pet creation theory, like the Big Bang?

No. Astrophysicists observed some time ago that the rotation and certain other behavior of galaxies seemed to require the galaxies have more, and more smoothly distributed, mass than was accounted for by their stars (the non-dark, or baryonic, matter). In other words, galaxies spun more like they were solid discs rather than collections of stars separated by light years from one other.

This phenomenon would require some explanation regardless of the origin of the present universe. Red shift and other evidence of expansion continues to support the Big Bang theory notwithstanding other phenomena as of yet not explained.
45 posted on 04/18/2012 2:23:48 PM PDT by only1percent
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To: Red Badger

Buddy of mine and I were just talking about this over the weekend. We are amateur astronomers, and were out observing. I was looking at NGC 2419, a Globular Custer that is so far away that it might just not be part of our galaxy at all, but, just floating between the galaxies in the local group. We postulated that if the universe has an abundance of these clusters, many very small (NGC 2419 is fairly bright, but, is larger that many of the custers around the milky way) then the universe could be fairly full of these things and we wouldn’t know it.

Photographs show that most galaxies have an abundance of globular clusters ‘halo’ed around them. No reason to suspect that there aren’t more free floating.

Just speculating!


46 posted on 04/18/2012 2:27:55 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Conan the Librarian

I think a globular cluster is a proto-galaxy trying to organize itself......................


47 posted on 04/18/2012 2:44:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Conan the Librarian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globular_cluster


48 posted on 04/18/2012 2:46:07 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

Check his litter box.

49 posted on 04/18/2012 3:14:33 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Lurker

Wanna buy some Dark Matter Credits?


50 posted on 04/18/2012 8:06:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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