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Group blasts Marine Corps for reviving 'Crusaders' name and symbols
msnbc.com ^ | April 18, 2012 | Kari Huus

Posted on 04/18/2012 6:42:45 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

A recent decision by the Marine Corps to reinstate "Crusaders" as the name of its Fighter Attack Squadron 122 — replacing "Werewolves" — and adopting the red cross of the medieval Knights Templar was blasted as unconstitutional and willfully ignorant by a civil rights group Wednesday.

"I don’t know that the Marine Corps could do anything more to fuel the cause of jihad," said Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a nonprofit organization that advocates church-state separation. "It will directly end up taking lives and maiming members of our military." Advertise | AdChoices

VMFA-122 based out of Beaufort, S.C., used the Crusaders symbol from 1958 up to 2008, when Lt. Col. William Lieblein pointed out that imagery invoking the Christian conquest and colonization of Muslims during the Middle Ages was counterproductive to U.S. soldiers based across the Arab and Islamic world.

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1 posted on 04/18/2012 6:42:51 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

VMF 122! I grew up on their flightline!


2 posted on 04/18/2012 6:44:43 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1184 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Eff the whiners.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/18/2012 6:48:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Have they gotten their panties in a wad over the Crusader patch, too?



Or how about this t-shirt?


4 posted on 04/18/2012 6:48:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“I don’t know that the Marine Corps could do anything more to fuel the cause of jihad,” said Mikey Weinstein

STFU you whiny limp-wristed lib.


5 posted on 04/18/2012 6:49:02 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Weinstein is on a Crusade against Christianity and the military, and he has some aggressive defenders here at FR, few of them, but nasty ones.


6 posted on 04/18/2012 6:49:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I agree.

It should be: Pork Eating, Mooslim Killing Crusaders

7 posted on 04/18/2012 6:49:15 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m a retired USAF fighter pilot type, but d*mn, I LOVE the marines.

As for that protest group...I consider them targets.


8 posted on 04/18/2012 6:50:05 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Free ThinkerNY

9 posted on 04/18/2012 6:50:26 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1184 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Get some!


10 posted on 04/18/2012 6:51:26 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
""I don’t know that the Marine Corps could do anything more to fuel the cause of jihad,""

I think it's about time to call out the Jihadists be they at the NYT or in the darkest caves of Pakistan.

11 posted on 04/18/2012 6:52:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What the heck is “unconstitutional” about a group being able to choose what symbol they are going to use? It WAS a free country. People need to stop being such pansy babies.


12 posted on 04/18/2012 6:52:41 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The United States Marine Corp Crusaders: Our answer to jihad!

The radical muslims don’t like it when the other shoe drops. Oh well, they’ll get over it, or if they don’t, will have to dead with a bunch of pissed off Marines with a serious axe to grind. Trust me, the muslims don’t want to go down that road.


13 posted on 04/18/2012 6:58:29 PM PDT by factoryrat (e are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Perhaps it will embolden our Marines to violently kill more of the vile Muslim bastards and strike fear in their hearts. This psycho babble about winning hearts and minds has never worked. Quickly and grotesquely destroying our enemies works. Examples; Japs, Germans and Italians.
14 posted on 04/18/2012 6:59:15 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I fail to see the problem other than we don’t arm Marines with swords any longer beyond ceremonial.


15 posted on 04/18/2012 6:59:31 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Don’t knuckle under aviator Marines! I LOVE the name and logo!
.
Where can I write to express my support for these guys?


16 posted on 04/18/2012 7:03:26 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Mikey Weinstein

I knew this story would involve Mikey. What a worm.

17 posted on 04/18/2012 7:04:24 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“the Christian conquest and colonization”

How about the Christian counterattacks?


18 posted on 04/18/2012 7:05:08 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wonder what Charles Martel did to cause the moslems to attack.

Probably something he said!

19 posted on 04/18/2012 7:06:03 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wonder what Charles Martel did to cause the moslems to attack.

Probably something he said!

20 posted on 04/18/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Tough shiite, muzzies.

VMFA-122 was my first squadron, and I rotated to RVN with them in 1967. Learned a lot and sweated a lot loading ordnance on the F-4.

Wish I had the body and health from back then.........

21 posted on 04/18/2012 7:09:01 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Can’t imagine the Marines giving in to these panty waists.


22 posted on 04/18/2012 7:09:44 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation

I can't take any adult who goes by "Mikey" seriously. At all. Give him some Life cereal and tell him to STFU.

23 posted on 04/18/2012 7:10:50 PM PDT by TheBigB (Hippie liberal chick: "What do I do about birth control?" Me: "Just use your personality.")
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To: Da Coyote

Agree ....

A young Navy Pilot was injured while ejecting from his A-4 Skyhawk due
to engine failure during a cat shot from the carrier , but due to the heroics
of rescue helicopter and the ship’s hospital staff the only permanent injury
was the loss of one ear.

Since he wasn’t physically impaired, he remained on flight status and
eventually became an Admiral. However, during his career he was always
sensitive about his appearance.

One day the Admiral was interviewing two Navy Master Chiefs and a
Marine Sergeant Major for his personal staff.

The first Master Chief was a Surface Navy type and it was a great
interview. At the end of the interview the Admiral asked him, “Do you
notice anything different about me?”

The Master Chief answered, “Why yes. I couldn’t help but notice you are
missing your starboard ear, so I don’t know whether this impacts your
hearing on that side.”

The Admiral got very angry at this lack of tact and threw him
out of his office.

The next candidate, an Aviation Master Chief, when asked this same
question, answered, “Well yes, you seem to be short one ear.”

The Admiral threw him out also.

The third interview was with the Marine Sergeant Major. He was
articulate, extremely sharp, and seemed to know more than the two
Master Chiefs put together. The Admiral wanted this guy, but went
ahead with the same question.

“Do you notice anything different about me?”

To his surprise the Sergeant Major said, “Yes Sir. You wear contact
lenses.”

The Admiral was impressed and thought to himself, what an incredibly
tactful Marine. “And how do you know that?” the Admiral asked.

The Sergeant Major replied:
“Well sir, it’s pretty hard to wear glasses with only one f*ckin’ ear.”


24 posted on 04/18/2012 7:11:49 PM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: Paladin2

I am all in favor of fueling jihad if the fuel in question is properly jellied or atomized before ignition.....

As a Colorado Springs area resident who has endured whiney mickey weinstein’s crusdae against the USAFA, I vote him one of the wooorrrrrrrstttttt people in the world in perpetuity.

Wait a minute - mickey doesn’t belive in perpetuity. Boy, is he in for surprise...


25 posted on 04/18/2012 7:17:00 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
izzie parade_1

***********

All these loud-mouth hadjis...

Always bragging about becoming martyrs...
... having encounters in paradise with seventy-two virgins...
... and being with Al-eLah...

Our job is to help them keep their appointments!
-- U.S.M.C. (Uncle Sam's Meanest Children)

ADMIN NOTE:
THE "CRUSADERS" OF VMFA-122 were so called for 51 years -- from 1957 (upon receiving the F-8 Crusader aircraft)--->>> thru 2008 when they were overtaken by some BS political correctness.

"werewolves" my @$$....

26 posted on 04/18/2012 7:17:26 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The squadron changed over to the “Crusaders” from their original name—”Candystripers”—because they were the first Marine squadron to transition to the Vought F8U Crusader fighter. I’m glad they changed them back to the “Crusaders” regardless of reason, it’s a name with 50 years of history behind it for VMFA-122. Screw Mikey.

}:-)4


27 posted on 04/18/2012 7:18:34 PM PDT by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Left also thought it was wrong to take down Communism.

Meanwhile they work their damnedest to take down the West from within.


28 posted on 04/18/2012 7:19:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why is it that with *anything* the libs don’t like, it’s “unconstitutional?” What part of the Constitution does this violate, you freaking liberal morons? Pack $#^%*$ sand.


29 posted on 04/18/2012 7:20:21 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (chirping birds + basket weavers who sit + smile + twiddle their thumbs + toes They're coming to take)
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To: mckenzie7

I think that he was drawing somewhat unflattering cartoons about Mohammed. At least that’s the story I heard.


30 posted on 04/18/2012 7:21:51 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: max americana

Mikey Weinstein, it figures! He is always fighting against everything Christian. Keep fighting the Church, Mickey, I’m praying you will get a Damascus road experience, and a voice speaks to you saying “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.”(Acts 9:5)


31 posted on 04/18/2012 7:25:39 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Personally I like it !

My old unit patch


My new unit patch



32 posted on 04/18/2012 7:27:56 PM PDT by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Oorah to the Marines for reviving the name "Crusaders" as a unit nick!



The stinking Islamists have no problem with insulting and belittling "infidels" - often by decapitating or otherwise mutilating those they gratuitously murder.

Knock off the PC BS and recognize that we are embroiled in a struggle that began in 632 A.D. The West has developed into the greatest civilization on the face of the earth and the Muslims have stayed locked in a barbaric, Seventh Century, tribal Weltanschauung.

We had to beat them at Tours to preserve our civilization in the Middle Ages. We had to defeat them again at Lepanto in the Renaissance for the same reason. We must defeat them now for a third time if our way of life is to endure and our children are to live in Freedom. This is the paramount conflict of the long history of our Western Civilization.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

33 posted on 04/18/2012 7:36:16 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Da Coyote

Hahahaha! Good One!


34 posted on 04/18/2012 7:36:25 PM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: ansel12
"...he has some aggressive defenders here at FR.."

Sceen names please...Need to add to the Troll Alert List.

35 posted on 04/18/2012 7:43:29 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The only way to “win” Afghanistan is to erase lslam there.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 7:46:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Dear Mikey

You can take your objection, fold it five ways and then sit on it and spin until you throw up.

Hugs and Kisses

The Sane People of the World

37 posted on 04/18/2012 7:48:00 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (In most cases, revenge is not a good thing. In other cases, it's the only thing.)
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To: mckenzie7

Hot Cross Buns.


38 posted on 04/18/2012 7:49:04 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: null and void

Yes! My old squadron gets its name back. I was with VMF (AW)-122 during Cuban Missile Crisis. We had just received brand new F8U-2NE Crusaders from the factory and we were planning a shakedown cruise with the new night fighters and the entire squadron going to Rota, Spain when the crisis hit. Interesting times they were.


39 posted on 04/18/2012 7:49:28 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I'm guessing they won't like the mess hall then?

40 posted on 04/18/2012 7:53:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Huskrrrr
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41 posted on 04/18/2012 7:55:40 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (chirping birds + basket weavers who sit + smile + twiddle their thumbs + toes They're coming to take)
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Whoops. Meant to post this one.Photobucket
42 posted on 04/18/2012 7:57:28 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (chirping birds + basket weavers who sit + smile + twiddle their thumbs + toes They're coming to take)
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To: icwhatudo

THANK YOU! I am glad that someone noted the FACTS!

The Crusade was a counter-offensive against Muslim invasions which had pushed thru the middle east and finally set off the Christians when they invaded Gaul! The Christians, much like American conservatives, kept giving and giving and giving until they decided the time had come to set things RIGHT!


43 posted on 04/18/2012 7:59:35 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: NTHockey
We had just received brand new F8U-2NE Crusaders

I remember that!

Terry and the Pirates told us where you were...

44 posted on 04/18/2012 8:03:54 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1184 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Our enemy doesn’t care what the name of the squadron is that is dropping bombs on them, they only know that as soon as we stop they can get back to planning and executing plans to kill us.

You can’t apologize your way to peace, you have to earn it. The world is to small for westerners and Jihadists. If we want to live, we need to continue to identify and destroy them.


45 posted on 04/18/2012 8:05:04 PM PDT by ghannonf18
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To: mckenzie7

I am a former Marine and I have been able to trace my ancestry back to several crusaders and two family lines back to Charles Martel. Hoo Rah! Piss on the sons of pig f’n dogs.

Christian invasion of muslim lands my ass!


46 posted on 04/18/2012 8:05:04 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Our enemy doesn’t care what the name of the squadron is that is dropping bombs on them, they only know that as soon as we stop they can get back to planning and executing plans to kill us.

You can’t apologize your way to peace, you have to earn it. The world is to small for westerners and Jihadists. If we want to live, we need to continue to identify and destroy them.


47 posted on 04/18/2012 8:05:04 PM PDT by ghannonf18
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Our enemy doesn’t care what the name of the squadron is that is dropping bombs on them, they only know that as soon as we stop they can get back to planning and executing plans to kill us.

You can’t apologize your way to peace, you have to earn it. The world is to small for westerners and Jihadists. If we want to live, we need to continue to identify and destroy them.


48 posted on 04/18/2012 8:05:25 PM PDT by ghannonf18
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To: Free ThinkerNY

MAG-31/MALS-31. 400 Div. Ooh-rah!

Next they’ll tell trip-tre to lose the Shamrocks because it’s Insensitive to folks of Irish descent.

Eff the whiners...


49 posted on 04/18/2012 8:10:56 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: ansel12

Whinestein and his Dependers can kiss my Hoorah

Semper Fi.


50 posted on 04/18/2012 8:10:55 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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