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Brown: Is Progressivism the new Communism?
New Jersey On-Line ^ | Thursday, April 19, 2012 | Susan Stamper Brown

Posted on 04/19/2012 12:00:17 PM PDT by DBeers

Brown: Is Progressivism the new Communism?

In politics, truth-telling can get you into trouble, even if you stumble upon it by accident. Just ask Rep. Allen West (R-FL).

West is feeling the heat for a pregnant pause he took during a town hall meeting after he was asked "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists or International Socialists?"

"It's a good question," West responded, "I believe there's [sic] about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party. (Long pause) "They don't actually hide. It's called the Congressional Progressive Caucus." The left became unhinged.

Obviously West touched a nerve; before long, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) drafted their response: "Calling fellow Members of Congress 'Communists' is reminiscent of the days when Joe McCarthy divided Americans with name-calling and modern-day witch hunts that don't advance policies to benefit people's lives..."

The CPC's response is just another sign of the political times we live in. But something about their argument doesn't pass the "smell test."

While there may not be large numbers of card-carrying communists lining the halls of Congress, there is a clear tie between the Democratic Party's Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

It really boils down to marketing. In marketing, many times the same product is given a different name or label in order to increase its appeal to certain groups. Names are sometimes changed due to the product's connection to other products, or the public's association to a prior name.

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Although Progressives share much in common with CPUSA and DSA, they are shrewd enough to understand the terms "communist" or "socialist" are unpalatable for most Americans. Hence, the word "Progressive" was injected into American political verbiage. While the words are not interchangeable, one thing is for sure: The CPC is doing its part to further the goals of modern Communists and Socialists who have found a voice in the Democratic Party.

Definition:


pro·gres·sive

Adjective:
Covertly happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.

Noun:
A person advocating or implementing ideologically bankrupt social reforms under a new name, liberal ideas.

Synonyms:

adjective.
delusional - immoral - selfish - homosexualist - heterophobe - feminist

noun.
progressist - progressionist - communist - socialist - collectivist

1 posted on 04/19/2012 12:00:21 PM PDT by DBeers
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To: DBeers

Yes.


2 posted on 04/19/2012 12:01:14 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: DBeers

Commie - Noun: Freakin’ Commie B*stard!


3 posted on 04/19/2012 12:02:50 PM PDT by broken_arrow1
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To: rlmorel

‘New Communism’??

Seems like the same ol’ Communism to me....


4 posted on 04/19/2012 12:05:54 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: DBeers

Actually it’s the same old communism. Nothing new about it.


5 posted on 04/19/2012 12:06:06 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: rlmorel

Truth is “progressivism” is NOT the new communism... it’s the OLD communism, with a new coat of paint.


6 posted on 04/19/2012 12:07:08 PM PDT by FiddlePig
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To: FiddlePig

They just changed the labeling.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 12:11:47 PM PDT by culpeper (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny... TJ)
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To: DBeers

Progressivism, communism, socialism, liberalism, facism - they are all just some variation on Authoritarian collectivism.


8 posted on 04/19/2012 12:12:26 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: DBeers
It always was. The Left changes terms to keep people off balance.

You can call a pile of feces "a bunch of roses", but I still wouldn't recommend putting them in a vase on your dining room table.

9 posted on 04/19/2012 12:18:47 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: DBeers

I can’t find any place where anyone in the progressive caucus said that what LTC West said was untrue, they just poo pooed his pointing out the obvious. He’s right on!!!!


10 posted on 04/19/2012 12:20:30 PM PDT by fishnsoldier (The second ammendment ensures they don't forget about the others.)
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To: fishnsoldier
He’s right on!!!!

Yes he is.

He is definitely on target!

I wonder when other conservative politicians will join him in calling out the communists?

11 posted on 04/19/2012 12:32:20 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

It’s not enough to label them “communists”. You gotta say “they are Communists who want to _____________________ “, and list their stated or understated goals.


12 posted on 04/19/2012 12:36:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DBeers

No, it’s the old communism with a new paint job...........


13 posted on 04/19/2012 12:39:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: DBeers

In all fairness, modern socialism is a blend between Marxist socialism and national socialism, picking and choosing the elements they want from each system.

In some respects, this was seen as early as the 1930s in the “Ol’ Frank” Roosevelt administration. By then it was clear that many of the traditional Marxist-socialist doctrines were utter ca-ca. But national socialism and fascist economics, especially, was new and trendy.

“What we were doing in this country were some of
the things that were being done in Russia and even
some of the things that were being done under
Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an
orderly way.”
— President Franklin D. Roosevelt


14 posted on 04/19/2012 12:44:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: DBeers

Nothing “new” about it. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol.

SnakeDoc


15 posted on 04/19/2012 12:53:32 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

” “What we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were being done under Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way.” — President Franklin D. Roosevelt”

Wow, never heard that quote before!


16 posted on 04/19/2012 1:03:15 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: DBeers

Nothing new about it. Communists used to call themselves “progressive” all the time.


17 posted on 04/19/2012 1:15:38 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Uncle Ike; FiddlePig; Paine in the Neck

You folks are right on the money.

There is nothing new about “progressivism”.

It is the same as Stalin’s communism, though many of those supporting it simply don’t know or understand that inevitably leads to the Soviets, Red China and the Khemer Rouge.

Many of them don’t get that. But, there are many of them who do. I think POSOTUS is one of them. Those who don’t really get that, they all think they will be exempt from the oppression and misery of collectivism.

They are always the MOST surprised when they are dragged away in a purge, screaming “But...I am one of you! I agree with you! Why are you doing this?”

Joseph McCarthy has, for the last ten years or so, been a bit of a hobby with me. He was a great American, and to hear the liberals howl in rage when Col. West uttered words that resonated in their little pea-brains as some kind of fascist repression from the long dead “Tailgunner Joe” just tickled me to no end.

I love it.


18 posted on 04/19/2012 1:16:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Revolting cat!

You are exactly correct, RC. That is what Joseph McCarthy did, and had the guts to put it all down on paper in “Retreat From Victory”.

Of course, look what they did to him.


19 posted on 04/19/2012 1:19:08 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bums => homeless
Jungle => rain forest
Swamp => wetlands
bastard => child of a “single mother”


20 posted on 04/19/2012 1:20:46 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DBeers

Its like a Princess Bride thing...
I’m not sure America even knows what COMMUNISM means..
for sure they don’t know communism “IS” socialism..
and socialism is merely a symptom of democracy..


Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism .-Karl Marx

** progressives, socialism, communism, leftism are merely versions of the same thing.. and fascism, nazism are a cousins..


21 posted on 04/19/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: vanilla swirl

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1502/article_detail.asp


22 posted on 04/19/2012 1:25:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: DBeers

Walk like a duck,talk like a duck, he is a duck.


23 posted on 04/19/2012 1:29:13 PM PDT by Libertynotfree (Over spending, Over taxes, and Over regulation)
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To: Little Ray

Go in any French communist cafe and the word communist or progressist is completely interchangeable. This author is progressist, ie. he adheres in their views to the goals of the advanced thinking of communism. It is a term meant to differentiate the communist from the traditionalist who are called names such as “neanderthals” etc...


24 posted on 04/19/2012 1:30:35 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

Actually, I think the preferred term was “reactionary.” In the Soviet Union, that word could get you arrested...

That is why I used to have a tag line like “I’m reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, pro-life, Neanderthal and proud of it!”

I’ll probably switch back to after the election.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 1:44:51 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

“While there may not be large numbers of card-carrying communists lining the halls of Congress, there is a clear tie between the Democratic Party’s Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).”

I’d call them on it. Pretty simple really.

“Hi Mr/Ms. Card Carrying Congressional Communist. You are a member of the US Congress and are a member of CPUSA which is a Communist organization. Why hide???? If you believe your policies and politics is what this nation needs to move forward, come out and tell us how. The fact that you are hiding your true political views from your constituency should tell them everything they need to know to throw your commie ass out of congress.”

And I would make this a NATIONAL Campaign ad.


26 posted on 04/19/2012 2:12:45 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: DBeers

I’d say Progressivism is the old Communism in its new guise.


27 posted on 04/19/2012 2:14:42 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

If Americans could work up enough outrage about Communists, it might work. But I don’t think they can. They been getting desensitized for a loooooong time, now. Calling someone a Nazi is sometimes effective. Calling them a Communist won’t work; not even if they have a membership card.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

“While there may not be large numbers of card-carrying communists lining the halls of Congress, there is a clear tie between the Democratic Party’s Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).”

I’d call them on it. Pretty simple really.

“Hi Mr/Ms. Card Carrying Congressional Communist. You are a member of the US Congress and are a member of CPUSA which is a Communist organization. Why hide???? If you believe your policies and politics is what this nation needs to move forward, come out and tell us how. The fact that you are hiding your true political views from your constituency should tell them everything they need to know to throw your commie ass out of congress.”

And I would make this a NATIONAL Campaign ad.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 2:51:01 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: MrB
Garbage man => sanitation engineer
Short => vertically challenged
Prostitute => escort
Communist => liberal
Liberal => progressive
30 posted on 04/19/2012 2:51:58 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Little Ray

It would work. Just have to take a different approach. I wouldn’t condemn it. I would praise them for their ideology and encourage them to tell us more how we should be like the Soviets.

And when they start shouting that they are being called Communists, I would step back and ask why is that such a bad thing if they are in fact one.

I wouldn’t let them play that victimhood card. This is what you are, you carry the card, why hide it? Because if you are hiding what you are, then we have an issue.


31 posted on 04/19/2012 2:56:17 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: DBeers
I've spoken to many so-called "democratic prograssives." About two months ago when find them on the streets promoting"progressive democrats" or talk to the OWS sum I ask what is the difference between a progressive democrat and a communist?

So far there have been mumblings like Obama sans the teleprompter, or just plain *crickets* or anger because they have no idea or there is no difference. This is an eduacational moment. The may NOT be card carrying communists but there is little to no difference as Lt Colonel and congrssman has stated, basically, there is no difference, just PC words as compared to the true work, progressives are promoting COMMUNISM in every way,in every form, in every street corned ani American sign.

I wish there was enough $$ in the coffers in FReeperville because I've have a ball making videos and interviewing these folks. I should use all them journalism classes someday.

32 posted on 04/19/2012 3:39:08 PM PDT by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Karliner
I wish there was enough $$ in the coffers in FReeperville because I've have a ball making videos and interviewing these folks. I should use all them journalism classes someday.

Ya know, producing videos like that is a VERY good idea. Maybe, you could approach the Brietbart and or Glenn Beck organizations with a sample and float the idea -maybe they would finance and assist in the effort?

33 posted on 04/19/2012 3:50:24 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

There’s no such thing as “New Communism” — what’s called Progressivism now is the tired same old communism. Progressivism of the late19th and early 20th centuries wasn’t communism. After his phony victory in 1912 (thanks TR) Wilson jailed his socialist opponent Eugene V. Debs to prevent his own loss of the NY state vote in 1916.

“He Kept Us Out of War” — until that election was over.

Thanks century.


34 posted on 04/19/2012 4:08:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DBeers

No. It’s the same as the old communism.


35 posted on 04/19/2012 4:22:08 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: DBeers

Judging from the embrace of Romney....

Progressivism is also the new conservatism (ugh)


36 posted on 04/19/2012 4:32:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DBeers
Brown: Is Progressivism the new Communism?

It's the other way around.

"Communism" doesn't mean much now that the Soviet Union is gone, China isn't very communist, and even Cuba is talking about change.

Nowadays, without Russian or Chinese or even Albanian backing, Communist or formerly Communist parties converging with other socialists and leftists and liberals in a "progressivism" that wouldn't have seemed like much in the party's heyday.

37 posted on 04/19/2012 4:36:29 PM PDT by x
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To: DBeers

I’m trying to find the actual denial-—must’ve missed it-——West is exactly right and I hope he doesn’t find some reason to apologize.


38 posted on 04/19/2012 5:00:10 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: DBeers

Progressivism=Neo-Communism. Even Progressive would agree communism, until now, has been a failure. However, that is only because it wasn’t done right.
So, try try try again.

Ironically, progressivism was done more hampered the greatest system in the world. Even with all the monkey wrenches capitalism has created the closest to thing to paradise.

The obviously flaw with fundamentally changing a basically free society to some form of communism/socialism/fascism you run out of “rich” folks, and or industrious workers, to pay for such a Utopiian society.

So, you muck up the system, that while not perfect, worked. It woulld have worked even better had it not been mucked with.


39 posted on 04/19/2012 5:02:48 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: DBeers
The CPC is doing its part to further the goals of modern Communists and Socialists who have found a voice in the Democratic Party.

Do the Democratic Party's Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC), Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) share ideology?

Maybe that's best answered by asking them directly, "Do you have the same goals?" Same goals = same outfits = same enemy. Communists and communism used to be our enemy - they still are. We fought several hot wars and a long cold war against communism. Communism hasn't changed one iota. Now that we have a communist mole in the White House, it's more important than ever that the electorate understand the dangers of socialism/communism.

Education is the key. Found these on Gorbachev: Keep an eye on Gorbachev and Mikhail Gorbachev: From the Presidium to the Presidio Why was Gorbachev given the Admiral's mansion at the Presidio?

From the second article: "Barack Obama and Joseph Biden secretly met with Mikhail Gorbachev IN the WHITEHOUSE on March 20, 2009. The meeting was NOT published beforehand, and nobody in the public knows what was discussed."

November 6th seems so far away. . . Hang in there folks and spread the word the best you can.

40 posted on 04/19/2012 5:12:36 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: DBeers
Maybe Rep. Allen West (R-FL) could really make the liberal heads explode by spearheading the movement to Reinstitute the House Committee on Un-American Activities. C'mon Col. West, lead the charge!
41 posted on 04/19/2012 6:10:21 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: DBeers
In the course of his research for "Solzhenitsyn: A Soul in Exile" (Harper Collins), Joseph Pearch traveled to Moscow to interview the writer. The excerpt below is from that interview:

Solzhenitsyn: "In different places over the years I have had to prove that socialism, which to many western thinkers is a sort of kingdom of justice, was in fact full of coercion, of bureaucratic greed and corruption and avarice, and consistent within itself that socialism cannot be implemented without the aid of coercion. Communist propaganda would sometimes include statements such as 'We include almost all the commandments of the Gospel in our ideology.' The difference is that the Gospel asks all this to be achieved through love, through self-limitation, but socialism only uses coercion. This is one point.

"Untouched by the breath of God, unrestricted by human conscience, both capitalism and socialism are repulsive."

Does anyone doubt that mandates, taxation and regulation are means of the "coercion" Solzhenitsyn so eloquently describes?

Further, does anyone doubt that recent attempts by the President to link the teachings of Jesus to his coercive policies, as he did at the National Prayer Breakfast, are not consistent with what Solzhenitsyn described as "Communist propaganda" in the above-quoted interview?

42 posted on 04/19/2012 6:37:35 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: All
THE TEN PLANKS OF SOCIALISM, as written by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in 1848.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

So, how is Obama doing?

43 posted on 04/19/2012 7:30:38 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: DBeers

No. It’s the same old totalitarian collectivism, with a new brand name. One that hasn’t yet been linked yet with all the byproducts of a worker’s paradise like mass murder and starvation and totalitarianism.


44 posted on 04/19/2012 9:16:20 PM PDT by SquarePants
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To: Dead Corpse
It's all in the Title.

Obama’s “Affordable Care Act” isn't Affordable and it sure isn't Care. People hear the name of the Bill and think it means what is says.

45 posted on 04/19/2012 9:26:56 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
” FDR's Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes conceded that “what we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were being in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way.”
Conservapedia
46 posted on 04/20/2012 4:50:44 AM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: DBeers

This is the new face of communism.
Like a glacier it moves slowly.
Like a glacier it moves everything.

Its a deeply rooted disease to America, first it must be put to the nation just how dangerous it is even in its most docile form. Identify its pogroms, cut out the supporters of it, abolish it.

Ride the communists out of town on a rail.


47 posted on 04/20/2012 4:56:26 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: DBeers
Progressives are nothing new and it is not an American political term.

Many would like to believe that is so, but the truth is, Americans are simply dumbed-down intentionally to revise history...another communist goal.

The Hegelian Principle in Education
Excerpt: “John Dewey, father of progressive education — what is happening inside the local school house doors, was a disciple of Georg Hegel. John Dewey stated that literacy was the greatest obstacle to socialism.”

And:

“The conditions had to be created in which society would accept such a system. Education began a downhill slide. While the roots go back much further, those of us researching education reform can pinpoint the beginning of the noticeable downhill slide at about 1965 with the advent of the ESEA — the Elementary and Secondary Education Act — when the federal government began giving out money to those states and school districts that would accept the strings attached. Slowly but surely the carrot got bigger until the states and schools could no longer function without the federal dollars — the states and school districts were ‘hooked’, they were addicted.”

Source: http://www.learn-usa.com/education_transformation/er003.htm

Was Hegel Christian or Atheist?
Excerpt: “The Right Hegelians were Christian fundamentalists. They found Christian inspiration in Hegel's philosophy, and they condemned David Strauss’ progressive New Testament critique, The Life of Jesus.”

Source: http://philosophy.eserver.org/hegel-christianity.html

48 posted on 04/20/2012 5:24:18 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: DBeers
 
pro·gres·sive:
 
"The [my] only connection [to the Republican Party]is I'm registered as a Republican"
--Mitt RRRRRomney--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNbXdOCQQMs

49 posted on 04/20/2012 5:55:19 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: TexasSecede79366

I gather is was Roosevelt who said this to Ickes in private, that was relayed by Ickes later.


50 posted on 04/20/2012 6:37:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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