Posted on 04/19/2012 7:21:51 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
Edited on 04/19/2012 7:45:07 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
In a move that serves as a significant blow to "ex-gay" programs and anti-gay organizations, Dr. Robert Spitzer repudiated his much-criticized 2001 study that claimed some "highly motivated" homosexuals could go from gay to straight. His retraction occurred in an American Prospect magazine article that hit newsstands today. Spitzer's rejection of his own research, which was originally published in the prestigious Archives of Sexual Behavior, is a devastating blow to "ex-gay" organizations because it decisively eliminates their most potent claim that homosexuality can be reversed through therapy and prayer.
The Gay Mafia made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
Ok so how does he explain why long time dads “go gay” especially as they age?
Could it be it’s really a choice after all?
Just as his origimal sellout to the homosexual lobby did not remake scientific truth, neither will this unexplained reversal of personal opinion unmake reality.
It sounds to me as though the boy couldn’t take the heat.
And their ain't no changing that.
Anyone who has ever known them (almost everyone has) knows this to be the case.
I smell imminent ozone...
That article said absolutely nothing at all.
So, he decides he was wrong “in retrospect”, and that is just as sound as his original work. This without any explanation.
Gee. Did that article have just a whiff of objectivity to it or not?
So. On what basis is this article an “integrity test” that true conservatives might or might not object to?
IBTZ
Or not.
Depending if the good doctor discovered quickly that it doesn't pay to cross the gay mafia.
I need to check on his social and financial success since his initial study.
Maybe it shows the power of peer pressure and political correctness.
As usual follow the money.
I wanted to see what the guy had to say. Heck, he’s been here a week or so and thought this was important enough to start a thread.
Depending on what he says, I expect the cats to be circling soon.
and an idiot is an idiot... ain't no changing that.
Before you get zotted maybe you can answer one question: Why do you communists love homosexual sex so much?
Not all homo's are created equal. While I suspect that most are born that way, there are probably some who have the power to "choose".
The stupidest thing is to believe that sexual orientation is an either/or thing, when in actuality, it probably exists an a continuum. Some might in fact choose, I suspect a few that I know. And yes, I know many.
You screen name is very narcissistic and you really post a lot for a new sign up. Have you been here before?
I know you haven’t been here long, but it usually is not a good sign when someone posts a thread, particularly on a dumb, worthless article like this, and fails to maintain some dialog on your own thread.
I suggest you engage.
IBTZ!
Calling the Viking Kitties! We have a newbie troll here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpvLCptAHT8
IBTZ.
Gay or straight is an intellectual decision.
Masculine or Feminine attraction is the dominating factor for attraction. If it is intellectually unacceptable for a feminine man to be with a masculine man in a gay relationship, he will merely search for a masculine woman.
Even in gay relationships you will almost always find one dominant masculine and one dominate feminine personality. I say almost always as I have found one relationship where two masculine women formed a relationship and adopted a daughter. The lack of balance between the parents has really screwed up the daughter. The masculine aspect of consciousness does not feel the presence of love, it observes actions and makes conclusions as to what the feeling should be. It does however recognize the absence of love or emptiness feeling when it is removed. The feminine recognizes the feeling of the presence of love. All this is a function of how the two aspects of consciousness store, process and retrieve memories. The end result was that the daughter with two masculine mothers had virtually no bonding foundation which happens between the young child and the feminine parent.
I work quite a bit with gays and lesbians in psychological testing of development and can usually identify the point in their life where the became gay. It is caused by a shift in consciousness patterns and is easy to demonstrate, even in a scientific setting. I don’t judge anyone, I just help them understand why!
“Ok so how does he explain why long time dads “go gay” especially as they age?”
As people age, they tend to shift to more gender neutral, just as a young child is prior to puberty. In old age it is normal for men to become more feminine and women to become more masculine... Just look at Helen Thomas! Humor intended!
Are human being sentient?????
My son is a homosexual.
My Bible describes all kinds of sins, homosexuality is listed along with covetors, drunkards,swindlers, etc.
Here’s the good part:
“And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.”
Only if you are honest and call sin, sin, is there a cure, and that cure is in the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Depending on the opinions of men, “the experts”, only leads to deception and hopelessness.
“Surely, says the Lord, even the captives of the mighty will be taken away, and the prey of the tyrant will be rescued; for I will contend with the one that contends with you, AND I WILL SAVE YOUR SONS, and all flesh will know that I, the Lord, am your savior and your redeemer, the mighty one of Jacob.”
Never stop praying.
Sorry for being a buttinski....the political homosexual agenda is not about alternative sex, it's about undermining religion. Commies hate religion because big government does not like the competition of any large organizations. If homosexual mores can be forced by government, religion loses control and cred.
I hardly think that scientific advance is “worthless”.
Interesting. Human sexuality, like everything else, is a lot more complicated than anybody really understands.
I just took a look at the posting history, and it is kind of odd. Not quite like that guy that used to come on and post about trains all the time, or the guy who had the thing about pit bull attacks, though.
If you want to read some really interesting research on this topic, read about the genetic modifications to the VNO or vomeronasal organ in rats. If reversed their gender behaviors and caused the females to exhibit humping behavior and the males to become nurturing feminine. The VNO is the receptor organ in the nose for pheromones.
So homosexuality is now shown to be an incurable disease. But we didn’t give up on cancer.
Yeah but this whole thing is premised on “That’s just the way they are.” If it’s genetics then how’s it happening with men that were perfectly capable of fathering children, and now they’re homosexual? Or moms that family lawyers will say they’re seeing more leaving marriages for same sex partners? I don’t think so. While there are those that one can readily tell were “Born that way” there are many more who choose that “orientation” because they hate their ex, they hate the other gender, they can’t get a date, they can’t get laid, they want the easy way out.
I don’t know what you mean by “scientific advance” but I will guess you mean “scientific advancement”.
And this article has nothing to do with the advancement of science.
Where in that article is there anything at all that has to do with science other than the fraudulent sounding guy with “Dr.” in front of his name?
I really am curious.
I don’t care about the study in the least. I have personal experience and know several homosexuals who have changed and gone on to lead happily straight lives.
Oh and IBTZ, troll.
Two types commit sodomy: the broken and criminals.
thanks DV.
The homosexual lobby has a vested interest in convincing society that their “condition” is genetic, and that they have no control over it.
If they have no control over it, then that opens a lot of doors, doesn’t it?
It is no coincidence that they constantly try to frame it in the context of the Civil Rights movement, where people were oppressed because of something that was genetic and they had no control over.
It’s not “That’s just the way they are. It’s not genetic. Although there might be a genetic predisposition, the prevailing factor is consciousness patterns and shifts between masculine and feminine aspects. These directly influence hormone production and influence the behavior patterns. The mannerisms associated with a feminine gay man are a function of their consciousness pattern changes influencing personality development which influences biochemistry. The feedback reinforcement mechanism causes a reverse influence as well.
Interesting. Human sexuality, like everything else, is a lot more complicated than anybody really understands.
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Naaaa..it’s really not that complicated at all.
His reason for retraction had nothing to do with the veracity of the study. Further the only thing he stated regarding the study was "the critiques [of my study] are largely correct" and "The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more."
I suspect he was simply sick and tired of getting harassed, (RE: retraction: "So I don't have to worry about it anymore"), by the butt rangers and their useful idiots.
-from the article
"In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques [of my study] are largely correct," Dr. Spitzer told the American Prospect in an article by Gabriel Arana titled, My So Called Ex-Gay Life. "The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more." Spitzer asked for a retraction of his 2001 study, "So I don't have to worry about it anymore?"
In summary The arguments remain -homosexuality is an intrinsic disorder and homosexual sex is self destructive, of no benefit to society, and noting to be promoted -I am not drinking the leftist koolaid you are serving up.
I believe one can hate the sin but not the sinner.
Most conservatives could care less what consenting adults do in the privacy of their home.
What many of us have a problem with is the concept of putting a homosexual relationship on a culturally equal footing, both societally and politically, with heterosexual relationships.
I don’t have children, but I fully recognize that the benefits that a government may render for the purpose of supporting a family-based society are ostensibly there to promote that structure, and should not be extended to homosexual relationships.
Liberals, of course, have different ideas about the family unit. It is not a surprise that the vast majority of homosexuals are liberals.
I hardly think this tripe is “scientific advance”. Methinks that Spitzer succombed to the gaystapo.
My research in this area has led to some interesting observations.
1. Why more boys are autistic and have Asperger’s Syndrome than girls.
2. Why women or dominate feminine men are more likely to develop MS. It appears to be an emotional influence on allosteric enzymes production in the liver necessary for the schwann cells to produce the myelin sheath around the axons.
This is a fascinating area for research.
That was exactly what I got from that.
I don’t know or care about his original study, but it doesn’t sound like he went back to the drawing board with his quiver of scientific method tools and came to a different conclusion.
It sounds more like he wants to wash his hands of it. Can’t say I blame him.
Maybe people can't change, but they can be changed.
Prayers for your son. We are all sinners, saved only by Grace. May the Good Lord work His miraculous work.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
The rectum is certainly uncomplicated ... as a part of the digestive system, it was designed the Creator to solely be a 'one-way street'.
Religion is "a choice"; race is "an innate characteristic"; discrimination on either basis is equally unacceptable in civilized society.
Actually, there are countless former homosexuals.
So, you are wrong.
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