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Mitt & Newt: A Plan to Win This Year
Newsmax ^ | Thursday, 19 Apr 2012 05:00 PM | Christopher Ruddy

Posted on 04/20/2012 7:03:17 AM PDT by Josh Painter

As the dust begins to quickly settle from the hotly contested Republican primary and Mitt Romney assumes the title of presumptive nominee, it’s important to recognize the role Newt Gingrich has played and will continue to play in helping the Republicans win the White House and Senate this fall.

The former House speaker recently told Newsmax in an interview that he remains in the race, not as a spoiler, but to play a key role promoting a conservative agenda at the Republican convention in Tampa in August. It’s a worthy goal – and I have no doubt that Newt will soon be officially supporting Mitt Romney to pursue that agenda.

Michael Reagan pointed out in a recent appearance on Fox News that Republicans must now unite behind Romney to defeat Obama and his liberal agenda. Considering the uphill battle we face, I couldn’t agree more.

And supporters of Gingrich and Santorum should keep in mind that the key goal now is to roll back the Obama agenda. We can only do that with a united front.

At the same time, Gov. Romney needs to realize that his nomination win came after a hard-fought battle, a war of attrition that saw one leading contender after another fall by the wayside until he was the last man standing. With superior funding and organization, Romney ultimately prevailed.

Though Newt failed to wrest the nomination, I believe he offered a very strong message that Mitt should tap into – a message that may have resonated even more strongly in the general election.

Today, Newt remains the great communicator of the Ronald Reagan vision of small government, strong national defense, low taxes, and individual freedom.

He also has a track record of accomplishment, acting as the key conservative figure behind the Contract with America...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; 2012rncplatform; gop; mittromney; newt2012; newtgingrich; ruddy
The fatal flaw in Ruddy's case here is that no one, not even Gingrich, can hold Romney's feet to a conservative fire. Romney has no core, and he will cave and break to the left the first time and every time he has to make a choice between standing up for principle and going with the status quo flow.

When Sarah Palin announced in October that she would not run for the GOP nomination, I started supporting Newt because he was the only Reagan conservative left standing, not so he could be cast in the role of Romney's "conservative conscience." That conscience is a voice Romney does not allow himself to hear.

Newt's fair weather supporters such as Ruddy, Herman Cain, and even Michael Reagan cave to the GOP establishment's "Manchurian Candidate" are just signs of how corrupt the Republican Party has become and how spineless many who claim to be "conservatives" really are.

The GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It's time for a new Conservative Party that consistently stands for conservative principles. "Fantasy" sports (Fantasy Football, Fantasy NASCAR, etc.) are all the rage these days. In a fantasy political world, Reagan conservatives like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin would turn their backs on the corrupt GOP to design and build that Conservative Party to rescue and preserve the republic. Too bad that's only a fantasy.

1 posted on 04/20/2012 7:03:20 AM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter
Michael Reagan pointed out in a recent appearance on Fox News that Republicans must now unite behind Romney to defeat Obama and his liberal agenda. Considering the uphill battle we face, I couldn’t agree more.

"Must," my a**!!

Oh, wait.. he said "Republicans."

2 posted on 04/20/2012 7:12:34 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Josh Painter

You’re right.

Romney is *already* “moving to the centre” (i.e. the left) now that he thinks he’s in the clear. Nobody is going to “hold his feet to the fire.” And you know why? Because conservatives were too stupid to get around conservative candidates instead of just lamely voting for Romney “because he’s inevitable.” To hold somebody’s feet to the fire, you have to have leverage on them. Conservatives have demonstrated to Romney that he can win, even when he ignores conservative concerns. Therefore, conservatives have no leverage on Romney whatsoever.

This tripe about “well, we’re gonna really hold his feet to the fire!!!” is nothing but chest-thumping windbaggery.

What’s worse - if he does somehow win the general, he may actually be WORSE than Obama, because he’ll have a compliant GOP Congress, just like Bush had. Any program Romney wants, Romney will get, and there’s nothing conservatives will be able to do about it. At least with Obama, the GOP makes a pretense of putting up a fight.

The GOP IS going the way of the Whigs - and I’m increasingly convinced that this can’t happen fast enough, even if it does shoot down that Party’s hopes in the 2012 Presidential election. Replace it with something fresh.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 7:14:37 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Josh Painter

Me too (although I like Herman Cain as well.)

Any chance Newt gets a shot at the VP slot? That would give him President of the Senate as part of his role..a good fit from Speaker of the House.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 7:15:14 AM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: Josh Painter
I coul’nt have said that any better
5 posted on 04/20/2012 7:20:09 AM PDT by ivory49
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To: Josh Painter
A new Conservative Party? That will take years....in the coming election Conservatives, Non-Conservatives and Moderates will have to stand as one behind the Republican nominee if they are to stand a chance of winning. If Obama should win another four years remember this: it isn't just Obama but Nancy Pelosi will be back in real time. A Marxist president and a mentally ill speaker will be the final nail that subjugates the American citizen.

DON'T VOTE FOR OBAMA!! (VOTE FOR YOUR COUNTRY!)

6 posted on 04/20/2012 7:20:39 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Josh Painter
The GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It's time for a new Conservative Party that consistently stands for conservative principles.

...Which is exactly why I joined the Constitution Party. For the first time since Reagan left office, I'll be voting for a conservative candidate. After that craven surrender in the 2010 lame-duck session, I completely lost confidence in the Republican Party.

IF Romney were to be elected in November, which he most assuredly won't, he'd bring political malleability to a new level. That's what comes from having no real core values.

7 posted on 04/20/2012 7:21:15 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

FOCUS! DEFEAT OBAMA! First things first! We can’t create anything new until all this CRAP is cleaned up first.


8 posted on 04/20/2012 7:24:15 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

It appears our conservatives might be planning to co-opt Mittens.

If you can’t beat him, make him join you.

We have Cheney giving him the miscon business, Ryan the fiscon, and Sarah and Michelle ready to help with Socon, and Newt with Perry chomping to champion 10thcon.

If we strengthen all FOUR legs under Mittens while keeping him out of the country or on the golf course at least as much the the Zeros,
we can turn this around and un-do everything of the last three years.

It’s not like Mittens has any original ideas, anyway. He enjoys the figurehead status he fights for.

I think he’s OK with being PINO - POTUS in name only - if he messages that he can be contained.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 7:24:51 AM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: Josh Painter

Sounds like the convention came and went. We must have hit a Mayan calendar time warp.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 7:25:28 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism is not a party slogan, but a mindset guided by core values and walking the walk.)
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To: txhurl

Cheney ‘miscon’ meant MILCON.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 7:25:43 AM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: ScottinVA
Which is exactly why I joined the Constitution Party. For the first time since Reagan left office, I'll be voting for a conservative candidate.

You keep pushing this Constitution Party without mentioning to people that they believe in a protectionist trade policy that the likes of Bernie Sanders (S-VT) would love, and an isolationist foreign policy that would make Ron Paul supporters giddy.

The Constitution Party is not a real alternative. They will get the same nothing burger percentage of the vote they always get.

12 posted on 04/20/2012 7:28:04 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: yoe

“That will take years” is the same argument the left has used for years to block drilling for domestic oil & gas. No matter how long it takes, you have to start sometime, and the sooner the better.

This republic has prevailed against all sorts of threats. If it withstood the Civil War, it can stand against a radical Alinskyite from Chicago.

Sorry, Mitt Romney and his win-at-all-costs Alinskyites just aren’t that much of an improvement over Obama and HIS win-at-all-costs Alinskyites. Both candidates are progressives, and each candidate’s supporters turn my stomach.


13 posted on 04/20/2012 7:31:17 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("We will not save our country by becoming like the left." - Sarah Palin)
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To: Josh Painter

With Willard, a great VP selection or a poor one will represent the difference of a pile of feces with a cute little curl on the top, or a pile without. The pile is the problem, and cannot be sufficiently sugared, garnished or shaped to be other than what it is.


14 posted on 04/20/2012 7:34:16 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Josh Painter

“each candidate’s supporters turn my stomach”

They cannot understand that. Truly, they cannot comprehend that they are loathsome to people with integrity. Really, between the Willard and Hussein factions we are only talking about variants of authoritarian-totalitarian leftists. The Willard faction is *usually* better at math. Otherwise their social policies, arrogance and hostility to general personal liberty are much the same.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 7:40:23 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Longbow1969; ScottinVA
The Constitution Party is not a real alternative. They will get the same nothing burger percentage of the vote they always get.

For some of us, it isn't about Party over Principle.

For some of us, it isn't just about winning, but about winning with someone of principle.

Mitt has no princples, None.
16 posted on 04/20/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Longbow1969

The USCP opposes trade agreements which have the uneven plane that puts American manufacturers at a disadvantage.

As for the foreign policy issue of nonintervention, I’m not completely aligned with it, because history has shown there are instances in which preventive intervention is needed... but the party’s platform as a whole is one with which I mostly agree.

As for the USCP not being a real alternative... how much of an “alternative” is Mitt Romney offering these days?


17 posted on 04/20/2012 7:53:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Josh Painter
The GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It's time for a new Conservative Party that consistently stands for conservative principles. "Fantasy" sports (Fantasy Football, Fantasy NASCAR, etc.) are all the rage these days. In a fantasy political world, Reagan conservatives like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin would turn their backs on the corrupt GOP to design and build that Conservative Party to rescue and preserve the republic. Too bad that's only a fantasy.

Amen!
18 posted on 04/20/2012 7:54:51 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: txhurl
Assuming Romney becomes the (R) nominee, he will need to coalesce the base. He must do this convincingly for conservatives and Tea Party to get on board full throttle, not just halfheartedly.

How many of us were enthusiastic about Reagan in 1980 but thought the "Rockefeller Wing" was going to sabotage our chances when he selected GHWBush as his VP? How many of us were somewhat enthusiastic about Quayle, but not so much about GHWBush in 1988? How many of us were enthusiastic about Kemp, not so enthusiastic about Dole in 1996? How many of us were only cautiously supportive of GWBush in 2000, but roared when we learned he'd selected Cheney as his VP?

How does Romney get us ALL on board? Here's a suggestion:

Run not only with your VP but with your proposed cabinet as well.

Conservatives sometimes have to be reminded that a President is not king. He can't get anything done by dictate. Above all, he must be a quarterback for the team. While a quarterback may sometimes run a ball in to the end zone himself, more often than not he strategically uses the talents of his team mates to move the ball down the field and bring about the win.

Did anyone hear Palin the other night (4/12/2012) on Hannity when asked if she'd consider being Sec'y of Energy? Did you watch her show the following night in place of Greta? Did anyone hear our own FReeper Allen West when interviewed on Hannity (4/11/2012) and asked whether he'd consider being Romney's VP? And BOTH essentially said YES!

Newt has practically conceded. Are any of these folks any less conservative for facing what are becoming our realities this election cycle?

I have proposed cabinet and administration roles for persons who were Romney's rivals at some point. These are the skill sets we conservatives wanted applied to the places of government where they'd be most effective. Instead of rivals let's make them team players:

Rick Santorum - Sec'y of HHS

Sarah Palin - Sec'y of Energy + Sec'y of Interior (merge these)

Newt Gingrich - Sec'y of Education

Michelle Bachmann - Attorney General

Herman Cain - Sec'y of Commerce, HUD, and Head of GSA (merge)

John Bolton - Sec'y of State

John Petraeus - Sec'y of Defense

Ron Paul - Head of Federal Reserve (let the audit begin)

Donald Trump - Head Council of Economic Advisers

Paul Ryan - Head of Office of Management and Budget

Joe Arpaio - Head of FBI, and Homeland Security (merge these)

Dick Cheney - Head of CIA

White House spokesman: Mark Levin

And our own FReeper, Allen West, as VP.

I was a Perry guy. Keep him as Governor of Texas. He's doing fine right where he is.

Next: Most of these folks are honed primed and stoked from the recent primary debates. They're all sharp. Nationalize the cabinet selection process as much as the Presidential and Congressional elections.

Release every one of these folks back out onto the the campaign trail with an assignment: tackle in an "in your face" way each of these departments - stage a kick-off news conference in front of each one of them. Challenge the office holders to the equivalent of Lincoln-Douglas style debates allowing each Obama appointed office member to defend their record and their (mis)-management of their public trust.

They won't debate, you say? OK, try some new Rules for Conservative Radicals. Stalk them, dog them with cameras, shame them into the arena, watch the cowards avoid the heat, watch for and exploit their mis-steps, create and run ads based on their failures in office and refusal to be made accountable.

While this is distracting the DNCs resources, Romney can land his own punches on Obama in the same way he's managed to blow away all his opposition in the primaries. Use Romney's well funded strike teams to confound opposition at the grass roots, do what they can to discourage and depress Democratic opposition and their voters.

Face it: if Romney was able to take out his competitors in the primary don't you suppose Obama's hacks could have taken anyone of them out in the general?

Have Romney's boys sew the seeds of hopelessness and dissension in the Obama ranks, emphasize betrayal and failure of Obama to keep 2008 promises. Undermine, destroy and confound the opposition into a confused, ill-directed mass who find themselves fighting on more than one Alinskyized, freeze-the-target Presidential candidate, and instead spending their resources fighting 10+ personalities "running" for cabinet offices.

Who are the DNC’s "generals" they have to call into a fight like that?

Instead of dividing us with all the endless sniping, let's quit doing the DNC's work for them and work on dividing THEM for a change!

Romney and Netanyahu both began strategic business careers at Boston Consulting Group. Agree with them or disagree with them, but admit that they are patient, long range, strategic thinkers.

One of the things Romney has been able to do in large part is to keep his persona distanced from the decisively well-calculated positioning of opposition to rivals in the primaries. His name-less, face-less cloaked "hit-men" are as effective as any guerrilla force out there, but all that activity is maintained at a plausibly deniable, comfortable, arms-length distance from Romney the candidate. I dare say it puts the likes of Nixon's and Clinton's "opposition research" squads to shame.

Sorry George. Enough of the "kinder-gentler" crap. Tight formations, and "gentlemen's wars" provided the fixed targets that let us destroy the British in our War of Independence.

I can see that machine going to work on Obama and leaving more than just a few lumps. Let's turn the "talents" of Romney's henchmen on to Obama, keep them disciplined, focused, and this side of doing any thing "Watergate," and let them go for the DNC's jugular.

If Romney is what we've got to work with this time around let's face that fact head on and let's hold his feet to the fire and make our will known as conservatives. If he's smart he'll seek our trust, and appoint many of our cabinet choices. To secure our trust he's going to have to both earn it and maintain it.

Romney will go a long and convincing way to doing that by arming, deputizing, and funding the campaign efforts of his "cabinet-in-waiting."

FReegards!


19 posted on 04/20/2012 7:55:15 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: yoe; Josh Painter
A new Conservative Party? That will take years....in the coming election Conservatives, Non-Conservatives and Moderates will have to stand as one behind the Republican nominee if they are to stand a chance of winning.

You're problem, if Mitt is the nominee, God Forbid, is that Mitt is not a Republican, oh, he has an 'R' next to his name, but that is where the similiarity ends. He is a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal and nothing less.
20 posted on 04/20/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: arrdon

Focus on what? What good would it do to defeat Obama, only to replace him with a Romney who has the same impulses but fewer Congressional restraints on him?

It’s time for conservatives to focus on defeating BOTH of them. We still have seven months - an eternity in political terms, for those willing to do some heavy lifting.


21 posted on 04/20/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: SueRae

“Newt gets a shot at the VP slot?”

Mitt is bereft of real ideas and just spews handler’s points.

Knowing how quickly he changes positions on heavy issues there is not way we can trust him.

I can’t put a Romney sticker on or sign up.

Some argue here it would be better if O wins again, but I am not so sure. Obama is a full fledged disaster for the county on an apocalyptic scale.

Newt as VP would help a lot for me. If Newt was in the administration he would be a strong voice to shut down or slow liberal programs.

It would also be entertaining to see him debate Bite-me.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 8:01:21 AM PDT by garjog
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To: txhurl
It appears our conservatives might be planning to co-opt Mittens.

Not gonna happen.

23 posted on 04/20/2012 8:02:16 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: arrdon; Yashcheritsiy
FOCUS! DEFEAT OBAMA! First things first! We can’t create anything new until all this CRAP is cleaned up first.

The problem is, you and others who think like you do, will be doing the same thing every election cycle, telling us defeating the current greater evil of the Dem candidate is more important than having your completely non-Republican GOP candidate lose.

Our response, knowing this is: If not now, when?

If not now, facing a GOP-E hand-picked, lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal who no more represents you or me, then when?
24 posted on 04/20/2012 8:22:19 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon
Assuming Romney becomes the (R) nominee, he will need to coalesce the base. He must do this convincingly for conservatives and Tea Party to get on board full throttle, not just halfheartedly.

He won't.

The whole idea of a Romney nomination was to move to the center(left).
25 posted on 04/20/2012 8:24:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
He won't. The whole idea of a Romney nomination was to move to the center(left).

While, I certainly appreciate what you say, if I were you I wouldn't be quite so certain.

As evidenced in this and other articles and recent interviews, it seems that quite a number of Tea Party supporters are already beginning coalesce.

So, the question is this: if MR does exactly as I have proposed, will you still be sitting on the sidelines, while the rest of us have the best chance that conservatives will have had in recent memory to shape the debate and the outcome thereof?

The response from you cannot be, "He won't."

Just answer my question directly.

FReegards!


26 posted on 04/20/2012 9:02:38 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
While, I certainly appreciate what you say, if I were you I wouldn't be quite so certain.

As evidenced in this and other articles and recent interviews, it seems that quite a number of Tea Party supporters are already beginning coalesce.

So, the question is this: if MR does exactly as I have proposed, will you still be sitting on the sidelines, while the rest of us have the best chance that conservatives will have had in recent memory to shape the debate and the outcome thereof?

The response from you cannot be, "He won't."


You're right he won't.

His record does not support it, that is my direct answer to your hopeful and lacking in historical context scenario.

If he were to magically change his spots and turn into an actual conservative, I'd support him.

But nothing in his record supports your head-in-the-sand hopeful scenario.

This is the actual record of Mitt Romney, minus all of his lies:


27 posted on 04/20/2012 9:10:30 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: txhurl
I think he’s OK with being PINO - POTUS in name only - if he messages that he can be contained.

Uh huh... Dream on. Whatever helps you rationalize supporting a liberal.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 9:40:30 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism is not a party slogan, but a mindset guided by core values and walking the walk.)
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To: SoConPubbie; ZULU
Agamemnon: ... if MR does exactly as I have proposed, ...

SoConPubbie: ... I'd support him.

That's right.

It took a few understandable twists and turns, but as I posited, ...if MR does exactly as I have proposed, ...

... even SoConPubbie will eventually support MR.

Now that your thinking has been able to grasp some of the bigger picture, you might ask yourself if MR had only 1/2 the people I just proposed for cabinet and higher offices, would you prefer to have MR picking USSC justice replacements, or Obama?

You can't say "neither," because if you are intellectually honest with yourself you already realize that it is impossible to say "neither," because, unless all justices are alive and kicking for the next 4 years the choice only comes down to this.

So, without any bobbing and weaving, just answer the question.

FReegards!


29 posted on 04/20/2012 9:42:26 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
Now that your thinking has been able to grasp some of the bigger picture, you might ask yourself if MR had only 1/2 the people I just proposed for cabinet and higher offices, would you prefer to have MR picking USSC justice replacements, or Obama?

And when will your thinking be able to grasp that Romney has never done an honest thing in his life politically?

And when will your thinking be able to grasp that Romney has never done a conservative thing in his life?

This is Mitt Romney, not the mystical, feel-good, pretend Romney that you are presenting:


30 posted on 04/20/2012 9:48:32 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; ZULU
The following has been established in this discussion:

Agamemnon: ... if MR does exactly as I have proposed, ...

SoConPubbie: ... I'd support him.

The question was:

if MR had only 1/2 the people I just proposed for cabinet and higher offices, would you prefer to have MR picking USSC justice replacements, or Obama?

You won't answer now, but some day in the very near future you will have to have an answer to that question.

This is Mitt Romney, not the mystical, feel-good, pretend Romney that you are presenting:

You've missed the point completely. I have never presented a "mystical, feel good pretend" Romney. He's a tool like any other politician is a tool. He's one of many tools we have to get conservatism to the place where our language is leading the debate, not just left to a few self-satisfied bomb throwers relegated to the back benches somewhere.

I'm hearing MR responding to the conservative movement, going out of his way to affirm pro-life language in ways I never heard Reagan do with such frequency. I hear the clear articulation of conservatism on many topics – not “perfect” in every possible way, but when is it ever? For the most part sounds good, sounds conservative. Pro-gun, anti-debt, anti-tax, strong defense, strong economy, strong job creation, less regulation, etc. Everything straight out of the Ronald Reagan speech-book -- and then some.

Folksy sounding brain farts in debates is not what will win Presidential elections. Clear articulation of conservatism is. You gotta look and sound the part. Gingrich is great in the articulation area – though a bit frumpy in the visuals, and he should be hired to do something significant that requires great locution – like dismantling the Dept. of Education. On the other hand he bounces checks. He’s not the model for business savvy that gets the US off the debt track. MR is. Newt’s not exactly the moral paragon where marital faithfulness is concerned (where MR by contrast is) but some people think that key core conservative value can be overlooked. Marital fidelity is essential for a moral leader, but that said I am not looking to hire Newt for a national marriage counselor either. He’s a politician -- good for what he’s good for – put him over at Dep’t of Ed. Let him play to his strength.

I see your list. Bush 1 and 2 let us down on a lot of things too, you may recall. Margaret Sanger was a family friend of Prescott Bush -- GHWBs father. GHWB and his family were all liberal (R)'s pre-1980. LauraGWB we later found out that for all her children’s ed. stuff, she is not quite so pro-life as we thought she was. Neither are GWB’s daughters who are also more pro-gay post 2008 – at least as bad as Megan McCain. As wonderfully grandmotherly as she is, I don’t think Barbara Bush ever really gave up the Planned Parenthood line but was smart enough to shut up about it. When it came to Desert Storm (Bush 1) or the War on Terror (Bush 2), however, I wouldn’t have wanted anyone else in there leading the charge.

When GWB was ready to take on Social Security in 2005 he was abandoned by his own congressional team in the breach, he stood alone - as the lone conservative with the conservative privatization plan. Abandoned by his own team. Weakness: he was too much a patrician in his own right to stick up for himself. Still would have rather had Bush 1&2 over Gore of Kerry – wouldn’t you? Thomas, Roberts and Alito – need any more reasons – in spite of all the GHWB and GWB imperfections? Actually better than any of Reagan’s appointees with the exception of Scalia.

if MR had only 1/2 the people I just proposed for cabinet and higher offices, would you prefer to have MR picking USSC justice replacements, or Obama?

So are you ready to answer my question, now?

In politics there are trade-offs. The key is to get more of what conservatives want and less of what liberals want. In spite of Bush 1&2 flaws, you must admit that we can thank them both for the evidences of USSC conservatism that still prevail.

MR's smart, and he structured his ground game for this primary long in advance of any of his competitors. He learned from mistakes from prior campaigns even as Reagan did in 1968 and 1976. It's why he is where he is today, and his competitors are not.

What I have presented by contrast is a possible cabinet selection for the man, which if he chose to run with it could - by your own admission - even persuade the likes of you and likely many other Tea Party Patriots to become more enthusiastic campaigners in 2012 than will be the (D) counterparts.

If you hope to have any of your agenda see the light of day, you have to win first.

I was a Perry guy. He didn't win. I can move on. If, as I have proposed it, I can have the essence of everybody who ran, and create an amalgam of what was useful to the cause of conservatism from everyone of them, I'll have what I want, and I suspect you would too.

By keeping our eyes on the prize, and always remembering that our power is derived from the bottom up, not from the top down, from a unified front, not from a fractured, self-sniping back lot, our larger mass will be in a unique position to dictate our will to the higher ups. That is the way constitutional republicanism works.

Maybe if we can all stop fighting amongst ourselves, and pining for candidates that showed themselves to be singularly incapable of carrying the message long enough to coalesce into that force, we will win the day and take conservatism forward.

If the "cabinet-in-waiting," as I have proposed it, is unleashed into the fray, the debate will continue, and our opposition will wither in the face of it. We use our politicians for what they are good for. Imperfect vessels they may be, but what ever advances conservatism should be our goal.

Pessimism in conservative ranks is merely evidence of DNC success, and I see enough of it around here lately. Let’s cultivate THEIR pessimism, and if they ever thought it was Romney that they wanted to run against, I wouldn’t be surprised if we all someday find out that he actually turned out to be the Trojan Horse within THEIR own midst the whole time.

FReegards!


31 posted on 04/20/2012 4:46:10 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
if MR had only 1/2 the people I just proposed for cabinet and higher offices, would you prefer to have MR picking USSC justice replacements, or Obama?

No, since he would still pick far-left, Progressive Liberals as his own record, while mouthing out his "Pro-Life" conversion is concerned.

He picked 27 far-left, progressive liberals out of 36 nominations.


Legal analysts say candidate Romney is different from Gov. Romney.

Liberty Counsel Action Vice President Matt Barber said Romney’s appointments were constitutional “living document” poster children.

“Many of Romney’s appointments were not only liberal, not only Democrats, but were radical counter-constitutionalists. How on earth can we expect that, as president, he would be any different?” Barber asked rhetorically.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Mitt Romney’s actions as governor scream from the rooftops that he cannot be trusted with this most important of presidential responsibilities.”

Barber cites two specific examples of Romney’s radical appointments.

“As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney not only failed in this regard, he appointed a number of very liberal, if not radical, ‘living, breathing’-minded judges to the bench,” Barber said.

“Two that come to mind were extreme homosexualists Marianne C. Hinkle and Stephen Abany,” he said. “They both had a long history of pro-gay activism, yet Romney didn’t hesitate to put them on the bench.”

“These are people who outrageously believe the postmodern notion that newfangled ‘gay rights’ trump our constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment rights,” he said.

Baldwin agreed, citing Romney’s statements about the two requirements he actually used when selecting judges.

“Romney did focus on two criteria: their legal experience and whether they would be tough on crime. In other words, the nominee could be a gay activist or a pro-big government, pro-quota, pro-gun control Democrat Party hack who detests every judicial principle treasured by our founding fathers,” Baldwin said. “But if he happens to be tough on crime and have prosecutorial experience, he gets past the Romney filter. Many of Romney’s nominees fit that description.”

Baldwin added that Romney did have some ideological criteria for many of his nominees:

“It was criteria commonly used by the left. For starters, his nominees were mostly pro-abortion. Indeed, while campaigning for governor in 2002, Romney told the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) that his judicial nominees would more likely protect abortion rights than would those of a Democrat Governor, according to notes from a person attending this meeting.”


You've given me a pie-in-the-sky, hope-n-change scenario concerning what Romney, in a perfect world, would do. The only problem is none of us will see this transpire because his past actions, always the best indicator of future actions, are so diametrically opposed to your hopeful scenario.
32 posted on 04/20/2012 4:54:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon
MR's smart, and he structured his ground game for this primary long in advance of any of his competitors. He learned from mistakes from prior campaigns even as Reagan did in 1968 and 1976. It's why he is where he is today, and his competitors are not.

So by smart do you mean his move to the center?

Or his consistantly lying about his record of left-wing, Progressive Liberal achievements?

Or making excuses for his Socialized Medicine program called Romneycare by trying to cover for it using the 10th Amendment?

Or lying, on the record, about there being 50 dollar abortions in his RomneyCare?

Or lying about Newt's record?

How about lying about Rick's record?

If he were smart, and principled, he would have had an actual conversion to conservatism, and admitted how wrong he was in the past.
33 posted on 04/20/2012 4:57:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon
You've missed the point completely. I have never presented a "mystical, feel good pretend" Romney. He's a tool like any other politician is a tool. He's one of many tools we have to get conservatism to the place where our language is leading the debate, not just left to a few self-satisfied bomb throwers relegated to the back benches somewhere.

Not, he's not a tool, he's a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal.

There are documented instances of him lying time and time again about his record.

He would destroy the national GOP as a home for conservatism, much as he totally destroyed the GOP in MA because of his tax and fee increases, because of his support for Abortion, his implementation of Gay Marriage, his implementation of a regional Carbon Cap-and-Trade program, his implementation of the fake "Assault Weapons" ban, etc., etc., etc.,
34 posted on 04/20/2012 5:01:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon
When GWB was ready to take on Social Security in 2005 he was abandoned by his own congressional team in the breach, he stood alone - as the lone conservative with the conservative privatization plan. Abandoned by his own team. Weakness: he was too much a patrician in his own right to stick up for himself. Still would have rather had Bush 1&2 over Gore of Kerry – wouldn’t you? Thomas, Roberts and Alito – need any more reasons – in spite of all the GHWB and GWB imperfections? Actually better than any of Reagan’s appointees with the exception of Scalia.

No comparison between Romney and GWB.

GWB was genuinely Pro-Life, Romney, after his supposed "Pro-Life" conversion nominated an extreme left-wing Abortion supporter, and then went on to state how he would still protect MA abortion laws and stated that he supported embryonic stem-cell research.

Again, another lie by Romney.

GWB was mostly conservative with some glaring non-conservative policy positions: Immigration and fiscal conservatism.

Romney, on the other hand, is whole-heartedly a liberal:


35 posted on 04/20/2012 5:05:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon; Jim Robinson
Face it: if Romney was able to take out his competitors in the primary don't you suppose Obama's hacks could have taken anyone of them out in the general?

Have Romney's boys sew the seeds of hopelessness and dissension in the Obama ranks, emphasize betrayal and failure of Obama to keep 2008 promises. Undermine, destroy and confound the opposition into a confused, ill-directed mass who find themselves fighting on more than one Alinskyized, freeze-the-target Presidential candidate, and instead spending their resources fighting 10+ personalities "running" for cabinet offices.


Apparently you did not get Jim Robinson's message the other day:

A reminder for those who are not receiving the message:

Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.


I’ve stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that I’d never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCommieCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, i.e, every damn liberal progressive issue that comes down the pike.


C’mon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now he’s cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing full well that it’s a lie, but he knows it’s the only way he can possibly win, er buy the Republican nomination.


Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCommieCare today. Calls it a “conservative solution.” Get real!!


Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:

Ronald Reagan speaks out against RomneyCommieCare

There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!

Damn the libs and RINOS, full steam ahead!!

But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!! Just think of it an off cycle election and pour on the TEA!! It'll be doubly important that we control both houses of congress and as many statehouses as possible.

Restore the 10th amendment!! Impeach the leftist president whoever he may be!! Restore Liberty!! Rebellion comes from the bottom up!!

WOO HOO!! I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!

No Bama!! No Romney!! Go tea party rebellion!!

36 posted on 04/20/2012 5:09:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon

Mark Levin must be on the supreme court!


37 posted on 04/20/2012 5:22:13 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worse Rinos ever!)
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To: Agamemnon
You won't answer now, but some day in the very near future you will have to have an answer to that question.

You were saying?
38 posted on 04/20/2012 5:24:51 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; Jim Robinson
SoConPubbie, you may want to read what Jim Robinson wrote a little more carefully:

"But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!!"

As I made clear, I was a Perry guy. I am faced with the increasing likelihood that the guy who is the (R) Presidential nominee this fall is not as historically conservative as is Perry.

To be motivationally convincing to conservatives, my proposal essentially calls upon Romney to put his proposed cabinet nominees where his rhetoric is, and to task each of them to campaign directly against Obama's currently sitting cabinet appointments.

My proposal in post #19 is a strategy which takes voting IN conservatives and voting for the DOWN ticket to the Executive level:

"Run not only with your VP but with your proposed cabinet as well."

Absent the ability to vote for any of these persons as the nominee at the top of the (R) ticket, voting for a "cabinet-in-waiting" may prove to be the next best thing available to motivate conservatives to get to the polls.

FReegards!


39 posted on 04/20/2012 8:58:24 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: SoConPubbie
You were saying?

You never answered the question. Try again.

FReegards!


40 posted on 04/20/2012 9:02:46 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon; Jim Robinson
"But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!!"

ANd why do you think I differ from Jim in this current discussion of ours?

I have always been in complete agreement with Jim on this particular point.

I am also in agreement with Jim that I will never vote for a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal like Mitt Romney.

That is what this discussion is about.
41 posted on 04/20/2012 9:42:11 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon; Jim Robinson
To be motivationally convincing to conservatives, my proposal essentially calls upon Romney to put his proposed cabinet nominees where his rhetoric is, and to task each of them to campaign directly against Obama's currently sitting cabinet appointments.

Listen, I applaud your hopefull solution to the problem and your willingness to hope for something so impropable to happen.

I understand the emotion behind it. I understand the almost irrational fear of Obama behind it.

Your problem is that there is no way in hell, given Romney's demonstratable lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal record that this will ever happen.

It's the same irrational hope that went into the supporters of Obama's "Hope and Change" routine, and as the supporters of Obama soon found out, Romney's supporters would find out if he, God Forbid, became President, that he is what his record says he is, a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal.

Sorry, but Romney would have to be little more than a figure-head and his cabinent would have to make all the decisions for your plan to work and that is not how our constitutional Republic works.

The guy at the top is not forced to listen to his cabinent by law or established practice, in fact, it's the other way around. Our Presidents ALWAYS make their own decisions, they look to their cabinent for advice, but it's their own established principles, at the end of the day, that provide the foundation for their decisions.

Romney's established principles are evident only in his record as Governor, those are the only actions/choices that we have to judge the man because he lies constantly:


42 posted on 04/20/2012 9:51:32 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Agamemnon

Barring an unforseen miracle, Romney will be the GOP candidate.

When you consider the alternative of him or Obama sitting in the Oval for the next four years, its a no-brainer. On every level of government, this racist, anti-colonist, pro-Muslim, Socialist demagogue Barack HUSSEIN has been a total catastrophe. If he doesn’t go, America will not survive another four years.

What we need to do along with voting against Obama, is to get as many conservatives elected to Congress as possible to make it difficult for Romney to act out in a liberal fashion on any issue.

Beyond that, the conservatives and Tea Party people MUST put aside their reluctance to get involved personally and on a long time basis with the political process and start taking over the GOP from the bottom up by seizing local committee positions in every municipality and county in the Union.

This should not be as difficult as it seems. Despite winning state primaries, the voting indicates:

a) The MAJORITY of Republicans in every state still are unhappy with a moderate Republican like Romney. He has failed to get a numerical majority in nearly every state race.

b) MANY of those Republicans who have voted for him ARE conservatives and have done so reluctantly, feeling he is the most salable of the candidates, not the BEST candidate.

We must work towards three legislative goals:

Initiative and Referendum

Recall

Term Limits.


43 posted on 04/21/2012 4:55:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam.)
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To: SoConPubbie
ANd why do you think I differ from Jim in this current discussion of ours?

I didn't say you differed. I said you didn't read what he wrote carefully enough. You have allowed your emotionalism in this discussion to cloud your perspective.

That is what this discussion is about.

Actually the title of the article and thread is "Mitt & Newt: A Plan to Win This Year." This is a strategic discussion, not an emotional discussion.

My plan is strategic and it is a formula for moving conservatism forward, even while using what are in many cases imperfect tools to get these tasks accomplished.

Politics is often times a series of "forced plays." A ground swell of conservatism from the grass roots passing straight up and through to actual proposed personalities for high office is not merely a "dream." It is in part a "forced play." If he makes the appointments I have proposed, he has made a very committed step that affirms conservatism's larger interests, and he'd be hard pressed to turn his back on these appointments. He'd have a coup on his hands if he did. See how the game is played? It's a "forced play" in a conservative direction.

I don't have to like him, I don't have to like where he came from, all I need to know and be made assured of is that the conservative outcome I want gets fulfilled. The whole of the US does not resemble Massachusetts. Romney is running now in a way that would never get him elected in Massachusetts. I don't think he much cares whether he even wins the state in the general.

Politicians are tools and they play to the crowd that is electing them. I am not a champion of Romney, but you and I have to face the fact that he's the one on stage, and barring any miracles he will be the nominee.

Think "Nugent-ly," as in Ted Nugent: if he's the guitar soloist and he's going to keep us in the listening audience, he'll have to play our tune. Without us, he'll have no audience and the show will close after opening night. Just ask Ted: a band can make or break the soloist's performance. I have just proposed the members of the "back-up band" to make Romney's performance of our tune, and that one he's playing for us right now, one that causes us to applaud enthusiastically at the end of the show. It also attracts a larger audience to our show, and in the "battle of the bands," we win, as we attract more listeners. More listeners translates to more voters.

Ted has expressed a figurative idea recently for taking out the opposition this election season. It is somewhat Nixonian in tactic and Clintonian in execution. We can learn from each of them as much as we can learn from the likes of Sun Tsu -- in fact, we don't have to admire any of these battle hardened tacticians personally, but we can learn from them. I believe Ted's phrase went something like, "we cut their heads off."

If the primaries have shown us anything it is that Romney's team has the "kneecappers" and the funding to get that part of the task accomplished. I don't have to like Romney, I don't have to like his team, but I can recognize their capabilities in this election cycle. Given our opposition, we'll need every hard-ball strategist we can find to take them down. That's all part of the ground game. The cabinet selection idea is the "vision" part of the game.

Romney needs a motivated conservative base to the White House. He hasn't closed the deal with those from whom he must draw support to be successful. I proposed the plan to close the deal and give voice to the "vision".

If he truly is a strategic thinker, he will do what it takes to coalesce his team. Romney needs us. We don't necessarily need him. He doesn't make it to the Presidency without us, but he has to run more convincingly and have some current evidence of his intent to match his current words. The more he tacks to our line the easier it will be for him to survive politically, because we have his political future in our hands.

Instead of just digging your heels in and insisting on the "never happen" line, why don't you instead train your efforts on trying to make what I have proposed actually happen. Recognize that Romney, the politician, will have to do what it takes to survive and win convincingly. I have just proposed a way to make that happen, not because I like Romney (I don't). I'd be casting my vote for his VP (Allen West, if I had my way) and his proposed cabinet.

Politicians are political animals. They are our tools to facilitating conservatism's continuing ascendancy. It is up to us to force Romney's plays in our direction. Do this in part by keeping Newt in the race to the convention, but not relying just on Newt exclusively to get this part of the task done. He's a politician. He's a tool just like Romney. He's part of the plan for conservative advancement.

In the end (if not sometime before) stand on the stage at the RNC Convention with your VP running mate, and your proposed cabinet standing up there right behind you. If it's who I proposed, the victory for our side will be resounding this November.

FReegards!


44 posted on 04/21/2012 9:20:15 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
I didn't say you differed. I said you didn't read what he wrote carefully enough. You have allowed your emotionalism in this discussion to cloud your perspective.

My FRiend, the only one caught up in emotionalism is you. You are purposefully ignoring Romney's lying, left-wing record because you want to BELIEVE that Romney will not be as bad as he has always been, that he can either be controlled or manipulated by his advisors.

This is the same kind of hope and change that drove Obama supporters and they saw what they got, you're just practicing the Republican kind.
45 posted on 04/21/2012 9:55:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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