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Where Do Conservatives Go Now? Part 2 (Donít Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party)
Conservative HQ ^ | 19 Apr 12 | Richard A. Viguerie

Posted on 04/20/2012 8:09:50 AM PDT by xzins

Fourth, Remember the Difference Between Republicans and Conservatives.

Conservatives look at the endorsements Mitt Romney has garnered from such establishment figures as former President George H.W. Bush and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and most importantly from business-as-usual Washington insiders, such as lobbyist Ed Gillespie, and they see advocates of positions they often opposed, not friends of the transformational agenda that won the Tea Party wave election of 2010.

Surveying Romney’s record and agenda, and most importantly the people he is likely to bring to Washington to implement his agenda, movement conservatives see little likelihood a Romney administration will differ from a Bush administration, or a McCain administration, or a Dole or Ford administration.

This is why conservatives remain so deeply skeptical of Mitt Romney’s candidacy for President. They look at his record as Governor of Massachusetts and the policies he espouses and see no commitment to the kind of transformational change the conservative movement has been working for the past 50 years to achieve.

Republican Party insiders still can’t come to grips with the reality that the rebellion of the small government constitutional conservatives of the Tea Party is as much a rejection of their stewardship of the government – the earmarks and massive spending and debt of the Bush years – as it is a rejection of Obamacare and Obamanomics.

Let’s be quite clear – there is a difference between Republicans and conservatives. The goal of the Republican political party is to elect its candidates to control the levers of government power. Conservatives should not get so swept-up in the Republican Party’s campaign for power, that they loose sight of the fact that the goal of the conservative movement is to hold the government to constitutional principles, no matter what political party is in power, and in the process rejuvenate our society and culture.

Fifth, Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party.

If the difference between conservatives and Republicans is based in the conservative movement’s commitment to holding the government to constitutional principles, no matter which Party is in power, then one of the most important things conservatives can do is to support organizations that are committed to that same goal.

This also means declining to support organizations, including the national, state and local Republican Parties if they are not committed to holding the government to constitutional principles.

The folly of conservatives supporting the Republican National Committee, and many state Republican Party committees was made readily apparent during the presidential primary. In state after state the establishment GOP did its best to thwart the will of the grassroots conservative voters by using its power to tip the scales toward Mitt Romney to the disadvantage of the conservative candidates in the race.

In the same vein the Republican National Congressional Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee have become virtual incumbent protection rackets – appearing to sell influence and access in return for donations to keep incumbent members of Congress in power.

Thanks in part to the ability of the new and alternative media, especially the internet, to empower grassroots activists it is now possible to bypass the establishment Republican Party. There are now dozens of sound organizations committed to constitutional conservative principles that are doing everything from training volunteers in grassroots campaign techniques to recruiting and training conservative candidates to run for Congress and their state legislatures.

Just because an organization has conservative in its name doesn’t mean the organization is actually conservative – especially if it is headquartered in Washington DC. Too many Washington-based organizations, even ones that began with the intention of fostering conservative government, have become part of the inside-the-Beltway Republican establishment.

Very often the best organizations to support are not the state parties and national committees, but the local groups; County Republican Committees and Tea Party organizations who share our values and are doing the hard work to elect conservative candidates to office up and down the ballot. By supporting these local organizations, which are always struggling to raise money, it is possible to know their leadership, know whether or not they share our values and determine whether they are accountable and effective.

During the Bush – Hastert – Frist years too many Washington-based policy organizations sold their souls for a few tickets to the White House Christmas party or a seat at the State of the Union Address. They failed in the real test of whether they were effective advocates of conservative policy – holding the government to constitutional principles, no matter which Party is in power.

Don’t get suckered into supporting the Republican Party’s incumbent protection racket. Donate only to small government constitutional conservative organizations and committees dedicated to holding the government to constitutional principles, no matter which Party is in power, and electing small government constitutional conservatives to office. Avoid establishment Republican-oriented organizations and Party committees that don’t hew to conservative principles, and work against conservative candidates and blindly support Republican incumbents even when they oppose conservative policies.

Sixth, It’s the Primaries, Stupid – Support Small Government, Constitutional Conservative Candidates

If 2012 is another big wave election, like 2010, but it sweeps into office the usual big-government, establishment Republicans, then we will have missed the opportunity of a lifetime.

Supporting small government, constitutional conservatives, no matter how far down the ballot they are is crucial to our long-term success, and running for any office, no matter how far down the ballot, is worthy of your efforts.

If constitutional conservatives are to govern America, we must not only elect a President and a Congress, but also city council members, school board members, state legislators, Secretaries of State, Lt. Governors, etc.

Of course, there are many good candidates already running who are with the Tea Party movement. However, the vast majority of positions on the ballot this year do not have small government constitutional conservatives running, and many will have incumbents who have not faced a contest in years.

We who want constitutional, small-government should be running candidates even when it appears they have little or no chance of victory. The mistake of assuming good candidates will emerge from the regular party process does not work most of the time because the establishment Republican Party has no real interest in the kind of transformational change sought by conservatives.

Do you really trust Party leaders like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner to build a Republican majority of small government constitutional conservatives? If we leave it to the national congressional and Party leadership to recruit the candidates we will end-up with a Congress just like them; incumbents such as Bob Bennett and establishment figures such as Charlie Crist, and Trey Grayson.

When making decisions about where to put their financial support, conservatives should remember that if the national Republican committees had their way, such now-stalwart conservative Senators as Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Mike Lee would never have been elected.

The only time we are guaranteed to lose is when we don’t compete. In today’s volatile political environment, no establishment candidate is truly safe. The American people want the chance to take out the big-government, establishment politicians; put your money and your hard work directly behind those candidates who are committed to small government, constitutional principles.


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1 posted on 04/20/2012 8:09:57 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

So should we support the Constitution Party?


2 posted on 04/20/2012 8:16:37 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: xzins

I’ll be voting to remove Debbie Stabenow but only because my choices are acceptable though imperfect.

With Romney, I have yet to find one conservative ideal that doesn’t need to be sacrificed for him.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 8:16:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: All

I am not advocating Romney; I am advocating doing what is needed to ensure that obama is a one term president. Deal with the real and present danger now, deal with extrapolated threats when they arise.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 8:22:25 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: xzins

When making your choice factor this: Which party programs, ideas and actions are closer to Karl Marx or which are closer to the Constitution. Then the choice, although sometimes difficult becomes a bit easier.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 8:24:58 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: xzins

I have no reason to engage a debate with Romney supporters because they all think the same:

“Either you vote for Bullsh*t or you’re going to get Chicken sh*t.”

I say to Romney supporters:

“Eat Sh*t and Die!”


6 posted on 04/20/2012 8:26:45 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: xzins

I haven’t supported the republican party since 2006.

Only individual candidates.

If you give the RNC money it gets flushed down the RINO sewer.

Anyway, I don’t need them to tell me who to support — I can decide all by myself.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 8:27:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Turbo Pig

exactly


8 posted on 04/20/2012 8:28:08 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nervous Tick

I haven’t given money to the GOP for longer than that. I give directly to the candidates I want in office


9 posted on 04/20/2012 8:29:25 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: xzins

I received a Republican questionnaire in the mail not long ago. The survey was addressed to me, which I found odd because I’m registered as “unenrolled” in Massachusetts.

I started filling out the survey, with such answers as “Tea Party” as my political leaning and yes I would vote for Romney if forced to but not willingly.

But then it occurred to me that the survey came from the BIG GOP and not the real, conservative, local sort of Republicans. The “elites” are the ones who shoved Romney down our throats and have no apparent love for Tea Party conservative thinking. Defeating the GOP-e strikes me as nearly as important as throwing out the Dems.

So the survey was tossed in the trash, uncompleted.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 8:29:34 AM PDT by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. ¬ó Robert Heinlein)
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To: xzins

Romney is going to be President. Conservatives are going to have to live with that fact, elect as many conservatives to the Congress, and hold Romney’s feet to the fire.

If he is not to be the nominee in 2016, the time to find the challenger is now—not three weeks before the end of the 2016 primary season.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 8:30:29 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: xzins

Conservatives should support whoever is willing to go after zer0 on his obvious ineligibility, and go after Republicans for being such complicit cowards. Conservatives will have to run their own candidates.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 8:30:32 AM PDT by kreitzer
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To: ReformationFan
So should we support the Constitution Party?

I know I'm in. The Repubs exist to frustrate conservatives, and I'm ready for a change. While I don't agree with every position of the USCP 100%, it's a whole lot more hospitable to conservatives than the Whigs.

Romney was never meant to defeat Obama and thusly will not. This year gives conservatives an opportunity to field-test another alternative.

13 posted on 04/20/2012 8:30:42 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: xzins

The Conservative Cause is clearly served by an Obama re-election rather than a Romney win.

A Right leaning/Conservative Congress can easily remain united behind an Obama re-election....whereas the same Congress will be sliced and diced by the RINOS if Romney is in the White House.

The Powers That Be fully understand this....


14 posted on 04/20/2012 8:33:12 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: xzins

I think I would prefer to see Obama facing a republican congress that has the balls to remove him for fraud and solve our current constitutional crisis, rather than vote for Mitt Romney who is the father of the individual health care mandate.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 8:33:25 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: cripplecreek

That is what I’m doing too. My congressman is first on list - here id DFW and then a conservative senator.


16 posted on 04/20/2012 8:33:41 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Turbo Pig

“I am not advocating Romney; I am advocating doing what is needed to ensure that obama is a one term president”...

Like a laser...this must be the focus for now. The dangerous boy socialist must go!


17 posted on 04/20/2012 8:34:39 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Nifster

>> I haven’t given money to the GOP for longer than that.

You’re a faster learner than I, but I figured it out eventually. :-)


18 posted on 04/20/2012 8:36:03 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: xzins

Like and many others are saying, we need to institute the “Tea Party” as a political group, dump the GOPe. Period.


19 posted on 04/20/2012 8:36:32 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: xzins

I don’t want Obama simply defeated in the polls.

I want him prosecuted for what he has done.

Vote him out of office, and that will never happen.

I want EVERYTHING Obama has signed into law and EVERY appointment he has made voided.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 8:36:42 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

Your dreaming on that one. The Republican’s have no “Balls” or anything else.
Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change.


21 posted on 04/20/2012 8:37:29 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: xzins

If Romney is the GOP nominee, I will no longer be a republican.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 8:37:41 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Nervous Tick

I agree 100% with your comment....oh, wait, you are my husband!!! Haa!

I also support Newt Gingrich and have a sticker on my car and a copy of his campaign issues in my purse. So when I am questioned I can give this to the person and ask which issue they do not think will work. Newt has history of success with successful leadership that made Clinton look good even though Clinton did not agree with the reforms. They worked for America!

The RNC calls us and mails us but I tell them I am a Tea Party Conservative and not interested in wasting my money to support RINOs.


23 posted on 04/20/2012 8:39:17 AM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: mo
The Conservative Cause is clearly served by an Obama re-election rather than a Romney win.

Then since your goal is to advance the conservative cause, you must be intending to vote for Obama yourself.

24 posted on 04/20/2012 8:39:32 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: xzins
if conservatives are the instruments causing Obama to have four more years, then that is the end of conservatism in the USA as a viable political entity. And not because Obama himself will have any thing to do with the death, but because the American people will turn their back. People don't like or want Obama back.

And don't tell me I'm not conservative. I have been since most of you were born. It is ingrained in my very being. We have always been our own worst enemy.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 8:39:32 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Safrguns
I don’t want Obama simply defeated in the polls. I want him prosecuted for what he has done. IVote him out of office, and that will never happen. I want EVERYTHING Obama has signed into law and EVERY appointment he has made voided.

That is not going to happen. Ever. Even if the Supreme Court somehow concluded he was inelible, which they won't, they would not undue everything he did. Believing there is even the slightest possibility of that happening is borderline delusional.

Actually, scratch "delusional".

26 posted on 04/20/2012 8:43:25 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: YouGoTexasGirl
I agree 100% with your comment....oh, wait, you are my husband!!!

Knock me over with a feather! 100% agreement is... unusual. Does this mean I get to sleep inside tonight? :-)

27 posted on 04/20/2012 8:43:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: xzins
Republican Party insiders still can’t come to grips with the reality that the rebellion of the small government constitutional conservatives of the Tea Party is as much a rejection of their stewardship of the government – the earmarks and massive spending and debt of the Bush years – as it is a rejection of Obamacare and Obamanomics.

I think the Republican party has begun to understand this. However, instead of attempting to regain conservatives trust, they have decided to oppose conservative at every turn. This became readily apparent in 2010, when the likes of Rove and other party elites attempted to thwart TEA party candidacies. It has only continued with the way they insured that everyone who would be even mildly appealing to the Right, was destroyed in this primary season.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 8:49:19 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Romney is going to be President. Conservatives are going to have to live with that fact, elect as many conservatives to the Congress, and hold Romney’s feet to the fire."

I don't accept that, though. I believe he will be the nominee, but president? How is a liberal with a leftwing record going to offer himself as a clear choice when the opponent is a Marxist? Romney simply cannot run on his record, and saying "Well, at least I'm not Obama" won't cut it. And even if he does win, you expect Boehner and the GOP-e to hold his feet to the fire? Really?? Did they ever do that with Bush?

The only thing I'm sure of, though, is that I won't have to live with the fact that I cast a vote for the abortion/homosexual lover Willard.

29 posted on 04/20/2012 8:51:40 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: xzins

I have a grand idea; why don’t you half-wits go out and FRAGMENT THE VOTE AGAIN so we can put this Commie POS back in office for another four years! Will that make you feel like you got even?


30 posted on 04/20/2012 8:55:16 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: Thorliveshere; All

If you want to dump the GOPe....you should be taking OVER THE GOPe!!! Are you a Precinct Committee person? Do you go to their meetings, help elect conservative PCP’s? If not, then you’re just talking trash.


31 posted on 04/20/2012 9:03:15 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

technically speaking, another’s vote is none of yours or mine business. I can wield a pencil however.


32 posted on 04/20/2012 9:04:57 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: xzins
Sixth, It’s the Primaries, Stupid – Support Small Government, Constitutional Conservative Candidates

He's dead right on this and boy did we screw the pooch.

33 posted on 04/20/2012 9:08:48 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: arrdon

Insulting the people you are trying to convince has never been a good way to win an argument.


34 posted on 04/20/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: xzins

On election day , I will be writing in the Tina Fey look-a-like from Alaska.

All other candidates will be Tea Party backed.

Like Michael was to Fredo, I’m done with the GOP establishment. They mean nothing to me.


35 posted on 04/20/2012 9:21:36 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: DNME

If you read those surveys all the way through they are nothing but fund raising letters for the GOP-e. I’ve heard tales of people at the mailing address opening them, taking out the check then tossing the rest into the trash. By you throwing it out, you saved yourself cash and aggravation.


36 posted on 04/20/2012 9:24:28 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Nervous Tick
You’re a faster learner than I, but I figured it out eventually. :-)

I haven't given a dime to the Neo-Whig party since Bush I.

37 posted on 04/20/2012 9:27:07 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins
We have been operating under the rule of "Lesser of Two Evils" for decades.  I have agreed with it.  I now stop to ask folks, has our nation grown stronger over those decades?  At some point we have to be honest with ourselves.  For me, the answer is a clear, "No."

So instead of saying people who do this are wrong, I want to give them something to think about.  Perhaps it will help them see things a little differently.

What we have been trying hasn't worked.  We slide farther left every single year.  At some point this has to stop, or we lose the nation we love no matter which party is in power.  Take a good look at Mitt Romney.  On just one topic alone, I can't vote for him.  He's a gun control advocate.  Once our guns are gone, they're gone.  Bad as that is, it runs much deeper.  I don't need to tell you about all of it.  You know what I'm talking about.  Romney is a blithering idiot when it comes to Conservatism.

Carter was universally scorned in 1980.  Obama, arguably much worse, isn't.  He is still wildly popular with the Left.  Has our nation changed?  It's my take that it is undeniably worse and in danger of cratering if we don't change direction.  And where is the voice of the loyal opposition?  That's right... crickets.

For this reason, I simply cannot fall back on the lesser of two evils rule of thumb we have always fallen back on.  I say this because IT IS NOT a change of direction.  If that hasn't worked, and it clearly hasn't, what reasoned argument is there for doing it again now?  Well, to my way of thinking there is no reasoned argument other than the ones that have always been used to advocate for it.  And that tactic having failed, the arguments in support of it are unsustainable.

We have tried this and failed.  So now we must come up with something different.  I, for one, will not sit by and play the business as usual game.  The Republican party must be made aware that it cannot continue to thumb it's nose at it's core base.

Here's the political spectrum we should be operating under.


1780 [L---------c---------R]

This is the political spectrum that would reveal us to be adhering to our Founding Father's vision and our Founding Documents.  This is precisely what the goal of Conservatives should be, to return to this model, and to do it as rapidly as possible.  Are we trending back toward that model?

I see something like this.


1980 [L---d---r-c---------R] *
1984 [L--d----r-
c---------R] *
1988 [L--
d---r--c---------R] *
1992 [L--
d---r--c---------R]
1996 [L--
d---r--c---------R]
2000 [L--
d--r---c---------R] *
2004 [L-
d--r----c---------R] *
2008 [Ld--r-----
c---------R]
2012 [Ld--r-----
c---------R]

The sad fact is, we are trending away from Conservatism.  That's why many of us are livid at our nominee this year.  AGAIN!!!!

Here is where we are headed folks.

2016 [Ld--r-----c---------R]
2020 [Ld-r------c---------R]
2024 [Ldr-------c---------R]

Does that look enticing?

With the exception of Ronald Reagan in 1980 - 1988, we have been spoon fed our candidates.  I'm not saying they spoon fed us the exact candidate, but they did take advantage of trends to make sure what types of candidates would get the nomination.  How did the RNC manage that?  It allowed it's primaries to be held under conditions that made it possible for Democrats to participate in the Republican nomination process.  Did anyone think that was going to give us more Conservative candidates?  No, it was a given that we were going to get more Leftists.  And more Leftists we got.

The RNC also continually talked up our more Leftist candidates, and made it clear they frowned on our more Conservative ones.  Look what took place this year.  Rove, Card, other party officials and office holders pushed Romney as hard as they could.

Why would the Republican Party do this?  For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn't see any possibility of Conservatives being elected.  Rather than look at our rich history and notice that our widest victories were realized when we played on our differences with Leftist policy, they decided to adopt more Leftist policy in an attempt to look more appealing.  And as this took place, the information dispensed to the public heralding Conservatism ceased.  And as the push for Conservatism ceased, the nation moved farther left.

We are now at the point where our Constitution, Capitalism, and other tenets of a sound Constitutional Republic are scorned.

Look at the graph above, and see how that worked out for us.  Ronald Reagan was our last president who won with a large margin of victory.  Starting with the elder Bush, that margin either disappeared completely or was so razor thin that we had a public perception of a Constitutional crises arise in the aftermath of two elections.

Moving to the Left only assured us that the real Democrats would get support.  Why vote for a moderate Leftist when you can vote for the real thing?  Did the RNC learn anything from McCain?  No.  Here we go again with Rove, Card, and the usual suspects trashing better candidates and singing praises to Romney from the get-go.  What is our hope for the future, with the business as usual approach?  Think of our elections since 1988.

And so we have come to the point in our nation's history, where the Republican party is now willing to promote people who don't give a damn about our sovereignty, our Founding Documents, the sanctity of life, our Second Amendment Rights, and more.  At what point do we admit we have full blown Leftists running for office in our party, and refuse to play along any longer?

If Romney were running as a Democrat there isn't even the remotest of chances that you would vote for the man.  But now, because he's running against Obama, some entertain the thought.  And what happens in 2016, when a member of Hamas runs as a Democrat and The Republican is only as bad as Obama?  Do we then vote for the mirror image of him? 

Look folks, at some point we have to let the (R) party know, that they have jumped the shark, and we can no longer support what they want us to.  You see, if we don't, we'll forever be voting for McCains, Romneys, and worse of their ilk. 

If they can get a Leftist like Romney elected, it's effectively the end of Conservatism.  No Conservative will ever get the nomination again.  Should that be our goal?  No.

Why do I say that there will never be another Conservative nominee in the future?  Take a look at this election cycle, and realize it only gets worse from here if Romney can get elected without the Conservative vote.

I hope you'll join me in sending a message to the Republican party.  That message states these things...

1. I will not vote for Leftists(R)
2. I will no longer support the perpetual movement of this nation to the Left
3. I will no longer remain an active member of the Republican Party as long as it fails to support a return to Constitutional governance
4. If you want my support and the support of other Constitutional Conservatives, you'll talk up people who share our ideals, and criticize those who do not share them
5. You will seek to change rules and tighten up processes thus enabling more Constitutional Conservatives to win elections
6. Failing that, adios...

/b
38 posted on 04/20/2012 9:27:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: goodnesswins

I am in a precinct, but how will that change the higher ups? Hm?


39 posted on 04/20/2012 9:28:58 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: goodnesswins

I am in a precinct, but how will that change the higher ups? Hm?


40 posted on 04/20/2012 9:29:20 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: xzins
I am responding to the title of your post, the following content I skip read. These pearls of wisdom coming from yet another self proclaimed conservative who views themself as the premier conservative are much alike. Throw out the old Republican tyrants and bring in the new Lords. I am quite suspicious of calls for destruction of the Republican party and installation of a new group of purer conservatives. I note that this Republican primary ran for some months with a variety of candidates who made their case but who did not receive sufficient backing to stay in the running.
I will not submit to anybody defining my conservatism for me, nor do I presume to do so to others. I alone am responsible for making my judgment as to whom I believe to be the best person to lead this Republic.
Destroying the Republican party would not redound to the benefit of any of the political segments who currently are posting on FR under the guise of various conservative superiority. There are those who want a third party, there are those who are democrats egging on self destruction, there are undoubtedly operatives, paid or not, supporting individual candidates, and vested interests for one cause or another. Splitting the available votes won't give any new political party sufficient leverage to win a national election. Given the unlimited financial resources of the democrat party, they own the US treasury after all, it logically takes a strong organization to overcome the money advantage of the opposition. Running a campaign on a shoe string is not a viable option for national elections. The Republican party is the only force at this time who can replace the socialist regime now in power. Howling at the moon and fantasizing about if, ands, or buts, won't change that reality.
41 posted on 04/20/2012 9:31:48 AM PDT by mountainfolk ( God bless America)
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To: mo
technically speaking, another’s vote is none of yours or mine business. I can wield a pencil however.

Of course it is. If other peoples' votes weren't our business, nobody would campaign or try to convince people how to vote. And if you're going to say that it would be much better for conservatism if Obama won, then it is perfectly legitimate for others to point out that the logical conclusion of your position is for conservatives to vote for Obama, thereby advancing the cause of conservatism.

If you don't have a rebuttal to that argument, I'd suggest you check your premises.

42 posted on 04/20/2012 9:32:56 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Don Corleone
When making your choice factor this: Which party programs, ideas and actions are closer to Karl Marx or which are closer to the Constitution.

Over the last 60 years, the GOP has controlled the White House about 60% of the time. Yet, the GOP has not significantly slowed the growth of government - which is our biggest problem. In fact, some of the most egregious big-government legislation has been passed under GOP Presidents.

So, in practice, both parties' programs are closer to Karl Marx than to the constitution.

The only edge I could give to the GOP is that a GOP President seems to appoint Supreme Court Justices that are more conservative, although that has in some cases backfired.

The test will come in June when the Supreme Court delivers its verdict on Obamacare. If the Court doesn't at least find the Obamacare mandate unconstitutional, I'll know for certain that there's not a dime's worth of difference between a GOP and a Rat presidency. If that's the case, I will certainly not vote for Romney.

A case could be made that it might be better for our country to have GOP House and an Obama Presidency. The resulting gridlock would better keep the bastards in both parties in check.

43 posted on 04/20/2012 9:39:57 AM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I wouldn’t presume to “tell” another how to vote; a write in ballot is always perfectly acceptable, however.

Any logician should be able to clearly perceive that a Republican Congress with a Romney presidency is more damaging to the Conservative Cause than ANY alternative in the White House.


44 posted on 04/20/2012 9:41:01 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: ScottinVA
"I know I'm in. The Repubs exist to frustrate conservatives, and I'm ready for a change."

Count me in too if the Conservative party promises to withdraw all combat soldiers from wars that have not been Constitutionally formally declared by Congress. No Presidential work-arounds on UN resolutions.

45 posted on 04/20/2012 9:41:54 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: DoughtyOne
We have been operating under the rule of "Lesser of Two Evils" for decades. I have agreed with it. I now stop to ask folks, has our nation grown stronger over those decades? At some point we have to be honest with ourselves. For me, the answer is a clear, "No."

So instead of saying people who do this are wrong, I want to give them something to think about. Perhaps it will help them see things a little differently.

What we have been trying hasn't worked. We slide farther left every single year. At some point this has to stop, or we lose the nation we love no matter which party is in power.

I don't find anything wrong with that argument as written, but it certainly implies a causal link that hasn't been proven. Namely, that the reason the country has slipped to the left is because conservatives or Republicans are willing to vote for the lesser of two evils. But I don't think that has anything to do with it.

The problem isn't conservatives voting for the lesser of two evils. The problem is that the horde of liberals and mushy-minded moderates all get to vote too, and they don't want the same people we do. The stark reality is that conservatives are not the majority in this country. So if we want conservatives to win Presidential elections, we have to be fortunate enough to either 1) be running against a really crummy, uncharismatic Democrat, or 2) have a truly great conservative candidate.

Unfortunately, neither of those was available to us in this campaign cycle. I don't see that as a justification to give up on opposing the greater of two evils because of the greater damage that can be done by that greater evil. And, it seems obvious to me that conservatives are certainly going to have more influence over a GOP President than a Democrat who will be pandering to his base heavily his entire second term.

Just because the President is a Republican doesn't mean conservatives can't loudly and strongly oppose his policies with which we disagree. As much of a squishy moderate as Bush was on some issues, I think most of us would agree this country would be in even worse shape if Gore of Kerry had been elected in his stead. And it does us no good if the patient dies before we can find the right doctor.

46 posted on 04/20/2012 9:52:26 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: goodnesswins

You say: “If you want to dump the GOPe....you should be taking OVER THE GOPe!!! Are you a Precinct Committee person? Do you go to their meetings, help elect conservative PCP’s? If not, then you’re just talking trash.”

Response: “I am in a precinct, but how will that change the higher ups? Hm?”

Guess you better try getting Civics reinstituted as a subject taught in the public schools before trying to get people to understand that we are where we are because conservatives abandoned participating in the process,


47 posted on 04/20/2012 10:00:40 AM PDT by ngat
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To: mo
"The Conservative Cause is clearly served by an Obama re-election rather than a Romney win. A Right leaning/Conservative Congress can easily remain united behind an Obama re-election....whereas the same Congress will be sliced and diced by the RINOS if Romney is in the White House. The Powers That Be fully understand this...."

As I've said before, unfortunately, in the unlikely event Romney should get the presidency, he will become the head of the Republican party and will therefore put those individuals of like minds in key positions. Just going by his past history pertaining to his conduct in and out of office, it will take decades, if ever, for the conservative movement to again gain the foothold and the power that it now has. Among vast number of conservative Republicans (I use that term advisedly) there will be such a "wailing and gnashing of teeth" lamenting how could this have happened to us and this great country of ours? My retort will be...... look in the mirror! The "Republican Establishment" is playing a successful game of rope-a-dope.

As for myself, I'll no longer vote for the lesser of two evils because evil is still evil no matter how much lipstick you put on it. My word, I've gone down the voting list from Sarah Palin to Newt and I'm going no further. I'll not vote for someone who should actually be running on the Democrat ticket as a moderate Democrat. That's how we got into this mess! Let'r rip!

48 posted on 04/20/2012 10:01:09 AM PDT by Old Badger (Don't bother me! I still like Palin because she will tell like it is! (Newt too!))
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Like a laser...this must be the focus for now. The dangerous boy socialist must go!

So the dangerous man socialist can take his place? (Romneycare, gun grabber) I don't think so. Not a spit of difference between them and don't go saying it's about the judges. Romey put in judges that were just as liberal as the Obama picks.

I will never vote for Romney. He does not hold one value that I do. He may reluctantly claim that he is a Republican but he is no conservative.

49 posted on 04/20/2012 10:04:50 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Captain Peter Blood; xzins
Your dreaming on that one. The Republican’s have no “Balls” or anything else. Nothing and I mean nothing is going to change.

No, but the tea party does and that's who we should be supporting, not the Republican party.

50 posted on 04/20/2012 10:10:09 AM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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