Posted on 04/20/2012 8:54:37 AM PDT by MindBender26
Among all the coverage of Zimmerman being granted bail, most reporters are missing the most important detail of the day. The State's investigator admitted, under oath, that they have no way to disprove Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon Martin started the flight and assaulted him.
The details are buried deep in the story, but they are crucial:
Gilbreath is the State's Investigator:
O'Mara is Zimmerman's attorney:
(from the story)
That speaks to, make that screams Stand Your Ground, and combined with new pictures of a bleeding and battered Zimmerman taken three minutes after the police arrived, it's all becoming so very clear to legal observers that Zimmerman walks on a SYG motion or at the least a SD verdict.
(Excerpt) Read more at southflorida.sun-sentinel.com ...
Well we all knew that. There is no question that there is no evidence on that issue. All the evidence is circumstantial. (Typical)
Not a revelation. Well ... I guess not for attorneys. Not picking on the OP. Hope it doesn’t come off that way. =)
Gilbreath makes the Keystone Kops look competent.
The investigator also admitted that he hasn’t seen or requested GZ’s medical report.
I wonder if you can still donate through therealgeorgezimmerman.com
This opens the state up to a malicious prosecution suit.
I happen to have today off from work so I watched the bail hearing. WOW..O’Mara was able to think on his feet with speed and accuracy- he nailed the state, NAILED them. He was not prepared to have a witness from the state- he asked if one was present in a kind of off-handed way when lo and behold...here comes the dufus!
Pray for rain all weekend to keep Sanford cool...
ROR was out of the question but 15k is pretty darn close to that for a 2nd Degree Murder charge. Sure doesn’t sound like there was anything special about that prosecutor. I’m sorry that I was so taken in by the media barrage at the beginning of this.
What pisses me off are all the cowards who are kicking this down the road to the next guy. Starting with the governor appointing a special prosecutor so he can say he did his job. The special prosecutor filing charges so she can say she did her job. The first judge volunteering information so she could drop the hot potatoe (I believe all this info was there when she was named judge). Now they’ll give it to this judge and make him make the decision. I predict his decision will be to hand the potatoe to a jury.
None of these people are concerned about justice. Their only concern is not pissing off the blacks and causing a riot. Maybe it’s time the whites started acting like blacks but only to make sure justice is served.
The great thing about it is now that the testimony has been recorded, the dufus (as you kindly put it) will have to stick to what he said on the record. It’s now sworn testimony. He will be skewered later as well as he was today. Gotta love it!
AMF????
You think they have circumstantial evidence, as opposed to direct evidence, that Zimmerman committed murder, or even manslaughter?
They do not.
On another thread you claimed that he could be convicted of murder 2 if a jury believes he continued to “pursue” Martin at a key point in the narrative.
I asked you there, and here, what is meant by “pursue”? The defense will have a grand romp with that one. All evidence shows him to be watching Martin and trying to help police with the location so they could send someone. He observed suspicious behaviour which could easily have been Martin casing the backs of dwellings, in the dark and a rainstorm, and was trying to direct the police to his location.
Therefore, even if he continued to track Martin...not saying he did, after a key point...but even if he did, he was trying to id his location for police.
This is a dream defense case. WHo calls the police non emergency number and stays on the line with them, while intending to attack someone they are watching???
You tell me.
Circumstantial evidence, indeed!
All, PRO Zimmerman.
I wouldn’t even characterize the evidence as circumstantial...in fact, I am at a loss as to what the ‘evidence’ is. As far as I can tell, they have:
1. Martin’s mother says its his voice yelling for help. My response - if that were true, why isn’t this a First Degree Murder Case? Everybody knows its impossible to identify a top of the lungs scream, as heard through a window, as transmitted through a cell phone, as recorded bythe 911 system. Its useless as evidence. BTW - this notion that there is no existing recording of Martin’s voice, to compare with...none of his friends had any voice mails from him saved on their phone? Martin’s own voice mail greeting did not have his voice? Very unlikely.
2. The notion that Zimmerman ‘pursued’ Martin, even after being told to stop. I assume this is the ‘depraved mind’ inspired act, which constitutes Murder 2. My response - in the 911 call, you can hear Zimmerman’s breathing calm down, as he has clearly stopped jogging, and is walking. The operator asks him his home address...and Zimmerman won’t give it, because he says he dos not know where Martin is (and is afraid he might overhear the address). At this poitn, any problems resulting from the ‘pursuit’ are over. Contact has been lost...and Martin has had more than enough time to walk home. But another confrontation occurs. We have no idea who started it...but we do know that the ‘pursuit’ was not the ‘cause’ of this confrontation. So, we are left with a guy with a bloody head, saying he acted in self defense. The state has to prove otherwise...and they can’t.
3. They have soem testimony from a teenage 911 caller, who changed her original story...but admits to not actually seeing the confrontation. Useless as evidence.
So, I’m at a loss as to what the ‘evidence’ is.
With that statement, right there, the case should be dismissed with prejudice to remove any further legal attachments in the future.
Good post.
And, as I posted above, even if...not saying it happened...even if he tried to locate Martin after the kid ran, as he reported, he was CLEARLY not trying to locate him in order to harm him.
The whole thing, the actions, the call to the police non emergency number, the conversation, was about Zimmerman trying to help the police get to the location, as he thought the subject was possibly casing the backs of homes and he was a watchman for the neighborhood where break-ins had been occurring.
i listened on the way to work this morning the actual bond hearing in progress...this investigator was squirming while being questioned....o’mara brought up some very good points from the probable case that was filed.....
Regarding the screams, O'Mara asked the investigator if any independent forensics had been performed, and investigator mentioned some forensic analysis described in the local newspaper.
Apalling.
it was a thing of beauty....i loved it...listened on the way to work myself.....
And admitted this person wasn't interviewed until 5 WEEKS after the incident.
The damage has been done, even if Zimmerman walks. Some negro will murder him on the streets, thanks to the New Black Racists.
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