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‘Fed up’ French Muslims mobilize to unseat Sarkozy
The Washington Times ^ | April 20, 2012 | Karine G. Barzegar

Posted on 04/20/2012 8:54:43 AM PDT by C19fan

France’s Muslim community is mobilizing voters to reject President Nicolas Sarkozy in Sunday’s election to punish the conservative leader for his anti-immigrant and anti-Islam rhetoric.

“[French] Muslims can’t stand it anymore. They are fed up with these debates about national identity, halal meat, the veil or fundamentalism all over the place,” said Francoise Lorcerie, a sociologist with the Institute of Studies on the Arab and Muslim World near Marseille.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; france; muslims; nicolassarkozy; sarkozy; waronterror
Muzzies make up 10% of France's population.
1 posted on 04/20/2012 8:54:48 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

If they are in France illegally, deport them now. He who hesitates is lost.


2 posted on 04/20/2012 8:56:29 AM PDT by RC2
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To: C19fan

France is lost. Past time to withdraw.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 8:59:53 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: C19fan
This could actually help Sarkozy. They weren't going to vote for him in any case. However, by getting worked up and in the faces of the native French population they will ensure that the anti-immigrant vote goes to Sarkozy. Immigrants are very unpopular in France right now.

An anti-immigrant backlash could save Europe. Not the EU, that bureaucratic abomination is dead by the nature of its own creation. But Europe as a distinct cultural entity might come out the other end if the Europeans decide that they are in fact not part of North Africa.
4 posted on 04/20/2012 9:00:58 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Cincinna

Gallic ping.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 9:01:16 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: C19fan

Sarkozy called Obama insane, and has been reasonably intelligent and responsible. His opposition is organized by an Obama-style group of young recent graduates of the Harvard. They are following the Obama playbook to a T,, even having ‘hope’ as one of their slogans. If they combine with the koranimals, they will likely win.
Wondering what effect the socialist win in France would have on the markets? Obviously wouldn’t be good,,,

I remember the old days, before globalization of our national bank, when it was almost impossible for a euopean election to have an impact on the US economy.

Scary times.


6 posted on 04/20/2012 9:09:57 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: Paladin2

Again!!


7 posted on 04/20/2012 9:11:42 AM PDT by Comanche
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To: Paladin2

Again!!


8 posted on 04/20/2012 9:11:42 AM PDT by Comanche
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To: GonzoGOP

Time for that French chauvinism about their superior culture to manifest in a rejection of non-French,i.e. Muslim culture.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 9:16:33 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: RC2

Marseille, in the mid 50s, had a large muslim population living in the “French Morrocan” section. It was clean and pretty - imagine Casablanca - and out of bounds for those on my ship. I was in there, on shore patrol, to chase sailors out.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 9:26:24 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: hoosierham

Dream on. Time to pay for support for muzzies in international politics. Chechen, Somalian, Afghani and Iraqi ‘refugies’ are there to give credit for anti-American, anti-Russian politics of French government.

Burn France, a home of all-white flag and dumb hippies!


11 posted on 04/20/2012 9:27:24 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: OldNavyVet

If that’s the case today, we need to move our people out. We don’t need an embassy in unfriendly territory. The hell with them.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 9:33:34 AM PDT by RC2
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To: C19fan; Cincinna
My Wife's family are all French Muslims.

And Believe me, nothing would make them happier than to see Sarkozy and his "Italian strumpet" defeated in the election.

So Sad, but we are still in this!

Go Sarko!

13 posted on 04/20/2012 9:34:35 AM PDT by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: C19fan
‘Fed up’ French Muslims mobilize to unseat Sarkozy

If the muzzies succeed, then the sky is the limit and all of Europe will fall under their rule.

Sarkozy has to become the Charles Martel of the 21st Century.

14 posted on 04/20/2012 9:51:58 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: C19fan

“[French] Muslims can’t stand it anymore...”

The problem with Muslims is that the are Muslims and not French Muslims.

Sooner or later comes the war...why not choose the time?


15 posted on 04/20/2012 9:56:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: GonzoGOP

Let’s not pretend Sarkozy is some kind of conservative ally. Just a couple of bits for reminder:

Sarkozy, Obama bemoan Netanyahu over open mic
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-08/world/world_europe_france-sarkozy-netanyahu_1_obama-sarkozy-economic-summit-president-obama?_s=PM:EUROPE

Sarkozy snubs Cameron after Britain opposes European Union treaty
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/sarkozy-snubs-cameron-after-britain-opposes-european-union-treaty-156770


16 posted on 04/20/2012 10:01:32 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: C19fan
So if you're a French “progressive” your new best friends are followers of the Religion of Pieces.
17 posted on 04/20/2012 10:36:10 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Army Air Corps; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Think free or die; DollyCali; ...

Thanks to Army Air Corps for the Ping!
KC_LION came in second.

I suggest you all read the comments on this WT article and realize what this election in France is really about. Islam uniting with the Left to try and bring a Western country to its knees.
Hollande can promise the “yoots” in the banlieues (suburban ghettos) but France is broke, the coffers empty.

Read what Churchill said about Socialism and Islam, and weep for France:

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of ignorance, its inherent virtue, the equal sharing of misery”
 Winston Churchill

Mohammedanism    Winston Churchill
  1899

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

 Winston Churchill 
The River War, first edition, Vol. II by Winston Churchill


18 posted on 04/20/2012 11:01:37 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Paladin2

Yep. Immigration has consequences as we are also finding out.


19 posted on 04/20/2012 11:12:03 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DesertRhino

As Yogi Berra said, “it ain’t over ‘til it’s over”, and the final round is on May 6.
That being said, we can look to 1981, and the election of Socialist François Mitterrand, the only Socialist President under the Vth Republic. Banks and large businesses closed up shop and moved out of France, many, including the Rothschilds, moved to the US and London. People who had the means left France, and took their money, investments, businesses, and jobs with them.

It is true that many Clintonistas and Obama campaign people have been not so secretly working to elect the Socialist, Hollande, running his campaign and using the same slogans that they used to push Obama.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 11:19:38 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: DesertRhino
Sarkozy called Obama insane, and has been reasonably intelligent and responsible.

Recently, Sarkozy used a videoconfrence call he had with Obama to show that Obama supported him.

Sarkozy 'embarrassed France' with Obama video conference TV stuntFrench president condemned for allowing cameras in to film video link-up just days before first round of election

Days before the first-round vote in the French presidential election, on 22 April, the rare glimpse of banter between world leaders shows Obama saying of the campaign: "It must be a busy time." He adds: "I admire the tough battle you are waging." Sarkozy replies, grinning, with arms folded: "We will win, Mr Obama. You and me, together." The cameras leave before the pair talk about Syria, Iran and oil.

The Socialist party accused Sarkozy of breaking diplomatic protocol and embarrassing France on the world scene to boost his struggling campaign for re-election, saying the images "weakened France's credibility in Washington and across the world".

21 posted on 04/20/2012 11:20:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

This is pure BS. Propaganda manipulated by the left to disparage Sarkizy.
Sarko is a brilliant politician and used Obama, (with his full knowledge, BTW) who is very popular in France to show him being Presidential, in command of France’s foreign policy, compared to Hollande, who has no government experience and never held a real job except President of the Socialist Party for 10 years.
Stop parroting the Socialist talking points on Sarko. He is no left winger, and no socialist.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 11:30:08 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: OldNavyVet

Many parts of the Middle East had such places as well... then the Wahabbists came, and instead of fighting them, they slowly have taken over and radicalized and opressed most of that part of the world.


23 posted on 04/20/2012 11:50:57 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Cincinna

Cincinna, I know how much you love France, so I send you lots of prayers that the situation will turn around. I only know Paris - one of the greatest cities - and I fell in total love with it. I can’t believe this is happening.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 11:52:02 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Cincinna
This is pure BS. Propaganda manipulated by the left to disparage Sarkizy.

Surely, you are not disputing what Sarkozy said, i.e., "I admire the tough battle you are waging." Sarkozy replies, grinning, with arms folded: "We will win, Mr Obama. You and me, together." Click on the video in the link. Facts are facts, not propaganda.

Sarkozy also praises Obama, which Obama can use here during his campaign to show that he is admired and respected by world leaders. Cameron also made a slobbering show of praise for Obama during his latest visit.

Sarkozy is desperate. I would rather have Le Pen than another Obama butt boy running France.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 12:06:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You obviously know very little about Sarkozy, and even less about French politics. You definitely know very little about Le Pen, père et fille except they hate all foreigners.
The Le Pens also hate America, Americans, Israel, free markets, and capitalism. They do not believe in liberty, they believe in the tyranny of the State over the individual. They are not Conservatives as we Americans are. They are neo-fascist, anti-Semitic, isolationists. They are closer to Nazis and neo-Nazi National Socialism and communism than they are to conservatism.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 3:01:29 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: miss marmelstein; All

Thank you, Miss M. France needs our prayers.

The latest and last IFOP poll has Sarko and Hollande tied at 27%. Other polls are worse ;•{

It seems Obama and his minions have been the puppeteers running Hollande’s campaign behind the scenes.
This from Slate.com:
Obama tentacles reach out to French election

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/victory_lab/2012/04/french_elections_fran_ois_hollande_is_using_obama_s_tactics_to_defeat_nicholas_sarkozy_.html


27 posted on 04/20/2012 3:12:48 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

What a disgrace! Rancid Democrats have their fingers in every pie all over the damned planet.


28 posted on 04/20/2012 3:16:06 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Cincinna; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cincinna.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 3:35:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cincinna
LOL. You said Sarkozy was not a socialist. Only in Europe could someone who has beliefs like Sarkozy or Cameron for that matter, be called a conservative or center right. It is all relative. Sarkozy has moved further right during the campaign because he needs the votes.

Marine Le Pen, like her father, is authentic. She speaks the truth, especially about such things as immigration, the European Union, and Islam. Calling Le Pen, "neo-fascist, anti-Semitic, isolationists...closer to Nazis and neo-Nazi National Socialism and communism than they are to conservatism" is the usual crap elite Europeans do to demonize anyone on the right. The Left does the same thing here to conservatives and the Tea Party. The Soviets used to declare anyone who disagreed with the state view as insane and would put them in mental institutes and the Vietnamese communuists set up reeducation comments.

"Much as Friedrich Hayek caustically referred to ‘socialists of all parties’ in the age of British muddy centrism shared between Labour and the Conservatives before the rise of Margaret Thatcher, one might see the choice of leading candidates in France as that between Eurofederalists of various parties. Neither Nicholas Sarkozy nor the likely victor Socialist François Hollande differ in their deference to ever-closer union. Much of their respective programmes must accordingly be discounted entirely as the outlines of an agenda they would never give themselves the liberty to execute."

Le Pen wants to exit the Euro. She wants to retain France's national identity, culture, and sovereignity. I have lived a total of 13 years in five European countries (not France however,) and I have witnessed firsthand the enervating effects of European socialism, which is now collapsing. And due to aging societies and reduced birthrates, the population of many countries will be declining significantly. Europe has benefitted from the US providing the security umbrella for 65 years allowing them to allocate more resources to welfare and social benefits. Most European countries devote 1% or less of their GDP to defense as the pressure grows to chose butter over guns. They are using up all of their seed corn to keep the welfare state treading water for a little longer.

And as Europe becomes more reliant on immigrants from the third world to keep their economies going, there is more and more friction between immigrants and the natives. Europe is not assimilating immigrants nor has it ever done a good job of doing so. Cameron, Sarkozy, and Merkel all say multiculturalism is dead.

Most of Europe is anti-Semitic, or at least anti Israel. The European perspective on Israel and the Palestinians is far different than in the US.

The right is rising all over Europe primarily due to immigration and the growing resentment that people are losing their culture and national identity. The EU has also sparked a reaction from countries that do not want to be governed from Brussels. The French pushed for the EU and were deluded enough to think that they would be controlling it. Instead, the Germans are calling the tune and everyone else has to dance to it. The upcoming Greek elections will probably shake the EU to its core if PASOK and Nea Dimokratia cannot even garner 50% of the vote between them.

Spain and Italy are shaky with immense problems. The ECB doesn't have enough money to bail them out. Most of Europe will be in a recession this year. If I were French, I would vote for Le Pen who is doing better than the rest among 18 to 24 year old voters. Sarkozy is trying like he did in 2007 to move right to get these votes. Le Pen will probably come in third. But the FN will grow in strength in the future.

30 posted on 04/20/2012 10:08:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Give the pro- Le Pen propaganda a rest.
So, Europe (and France) are anti-Semitic, THAT MEANS THEY HATE JEWS!
MLP and her odious father are notorious as Holocoast demises and Jew haters. They also hate Ameruca and Amerucans, and the American way of life and culture.
I lived in France for 14 years. I understand French culture and French politics, and try to share that knowledge and experience with FReepers. I know the players.
If you would vote for Marine Le Pen who despises America and everything we stand for, shame on you! Shame on you for posting such anti-American crap on FR.


31 posted on 04/21/2012 12:03:10 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: kabar

Give the pro- Le Pen propaganda a rest.
So, Europe (and France) are anti-Semitic, THAT MEANS THEY HATE JEWS!
MLP and her odious father are notorious as Holocoast demises and Jew haters. They also hate Ameruca and Amerucans, and the American way of life and culture.
I lived in France for 14 years. I understand French culture and French politics, and try to share that knowledge and experience with FReepers. I know the players.
If you would vote for Marine Le Pen who despises America and everything we stand for, shame on you! Shame on you for posting such anti-American crap on FR.


32 posted on 04/21/2012 12:45:54 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
So, Europe (and France) are anti-Semitic, THAT MEANS THEY HATE JEWS!

I am quite aware of what the word means. We have a Jewish friend in France (a retired French school teacher) who is considering leaving the country because anti-semitisim is becoming rampant and more overt.

They also hate Ameruca and Amerucans, and the American way of life and culture. I lived in France for 14 years. I understand French culture and French politics, and try to share that knowledge and experience with FReepers. I know the players.

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. First of all, the French have always had a love/hate relationship with America. They look down upon almost everyone when it comes to others' way of life or culture. They even have government control over what foreign words will be allowed to be an official part of the language. My wife attended the Sorbonne, but she is not French. I have visited France a number of times. I don't need you or anyone else to educate me on France or the French.

They wouldn't even allow overflight of France when Reagan authorized the strike against Ghadaffi. They dropped out of the military part of NATO for many years. de Gaulle's Force de Frappe was just one example of the French wanting to be independent whether it was politically, militarily, or diplomatically. And I won't go into the French behavior at the beginning of WWII or during the German occupation despite the revisionist history of most being in the resistance.

If you would vote for Marine Le Pen who despises America and everything we stand for, shame on you!

LOL. What a bunch of hyperbolic BS. First, Marine Le Pen is not her father. She has her own views on the world and America. At her very core is nationalism. To say she despises America and everything we stand for is simply a lie. Prove it.

33 posted on 04/21/2012 7:18:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cincinna; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...
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Catching up again, wanted everyone ( & TM ) to check out quotes at # 18.

Read what Churchill said about Socialism and Islam

Thanks, Cincinna.

34 posted on 04/21/2012 10:51:19 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Cincinna
Too many have failed to read Churchill as well as Belloc and Oussani on the Mohammadism's culture and practices. Perhaps the French will reread their own history and that of Charles Martel.

Well posted.
35 posted on 04/21/2012 11:02:06 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: Cincinna

I agree with Churchills statements concerning Muslims...

......”if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you..... and only a precarious chance for survival. .......There may be a worse case. .....You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Winston Churchill

BTW...at the rate Muslims are infilitrating Europe and the West I figure it won’t be long before they will “put out the call” to take whatever nation they can.....and they will have Russia and China to assist in doing so IMO. If all nations are weakened and “held hostage” by the Muslim push for Sharia ...then these nations are in an internal war and will not have what’s needed when China and or Russia make their moves.

I have no doubts Russia and China are using the Muslims, as they are easily influenced and led by their leaders, polticial and religious. Stir up the nations via the Muslims and these two birds can pretty much make any move they want...and will.


36 posted on 04/22/2012 12:27:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: Cincinna

Well that explains the return of the bust.

He was against two very precious things to Obama. Socialism and Islam.


37 posted on 04/22/2012 4:21:05 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: autumnraine; LucyT
Well that explains the return of the bust.

Exactly.

38 posted on 04/22/2012 6:13:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: All; afraidfortherepublic; mojo114; seenenuf; LucyT; Think free or die; DollyCali; ...

~ NEWS ALERT ~

FIRST RESULTS IN:

In order: approximate numbers

1. Hollande 29
2. Sarkozy 26
3. M le Pen 19
4. Mélanchon 10


39 posted on 04/22/2012 10:45:26 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
~ NEWS ALERT ~

FIRST RESULTS IN:

Well I doubt many Le Pen voters will be voting for Hollande in the runoff.

40 posted on 04/22/2012 10:49:26 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

That is not what all polling tells us. Many of MLP’s supporters are disgruntled former Communists and other assorted leftists


41 posted on 04/22/2012 10:53:39 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: All

~ BREAKING NEWS ~

PASS IT ON!

OFFICIAL RESULTS IN:

1. Hollande 28.4
2. Sarkozy 25.5
3. M le Pen 20
4. Mélanchon  11


42 posted on 04/22/2012 11:03:58 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

French voters defied expectations and handed a surprisingly strong third-place showing to far-right candidate Marine Le Pen, who has run on an anti-immigrant platform aimed largely at Muslims. That could boost her influence on the French political scene, hand her party seats in parliament and affect relations with minorities.


43 posted on 04/22/2012 3:42:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: All

Hollande so far has refused to answer questions about campaign promises he made to various groups. Will he fess up to:
• giving immigrants (non citizens the right to vote)
• allowing municipal facilities like swimming pools and tennis courts to conform to sharia law, separating females from males, having separate hours, etc. 
• Will Hollande uphold his promise to the Eco-freaks to eliminate all nuclear power in France, in the next ten years, starting immediately. France gets 82% of its energy, and is now an exporter of energy.
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44 posted on 04/22/2012 7:55:18 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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