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Congress Is About To Pass A Bill That Restricts Traveling, Driving And International Banking
Business Insider ^ | April 19, 2012 | Simon Black

Posted on 04/20/2012 9:35:55 AM PDT by QT3.14

[Snip]...As part of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), Congress has inserted language that would oblige the Secretary of State to revoke or deny a passport to any U.S. citizen who the IRS Commissioner deems as having "seriously delinquent tax debt."...For starters, in what may be one of the most depraved Big Brother moves on record, section 31406 of the bill makes it mandatory for "black box" event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: blackbox; congress; irspassports; map21; passport
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1 posted on 04/20/2012 9:36:04 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14
-- ...section 31406 of the bill makes it mandatory for "black box" event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.

"Paging George Orwell."

2 posted on 04/20/2012 9:38:25 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Zimmerman: White Hispanic -- that means Obama is our first White Black president)
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To: QT3.14

Another nail in Liberty’s coffin.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 9:39:25 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: QT3.14

You have to have teh black box so that you can be taxed according to how many miles, and on what type of roads, in which county.

And where your car goes, and when, and where and when you stop. This data wil make political campaigns interesting. I heard a rumor that there was a sheriff running for office who used LoJack to fins out where his opponent was stumping, so he could send minions there to collect bumper stickers and buttons, and tie the opponent up in long conversations.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: QT3.14
It's imperative, except for rare exceptions, every single incumbent be voted out of office.
5 posted on 04/20/2012 9:41:52 AM PDT by Errant
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To: QT3.14

Thank goodness we have the Republican controlled House to act as a firewall.

(Gozilla level of sarcasm - OFF)

Did anyone ever thing there was a time we would look back on Dennis Hastert and think of him as “strong”?


6 posted on 04/20/2012 9:44:08 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: QT3.14

Sort of like this in kuwait and uae. If there is debt, don’t think about getting out of the country.

Nothing exceptional about America folks....just like the other countries....move along...

/sarc


7 posted on 04/20/2012 9:44:28 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes.)
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To: Errant

for every one we get rid of there are 10 in waiting


8 posted on 04/20/2012 9:44:57 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: QT3.14
“that would oblige the Secretary of State to revoke or deny a passport to any U.S. citizen who the IRS Commissioner deems as having “seriously delinquent tax debt.”
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that would mean that Al Sharpton will not be able to travel outside of the country. He owes a very large debt in back taxes to the IRS (His tax debt was given in detail during a radio program I listened to yesterday afternoon).

He also owes a lot of money from his failed presidential campaign. Funny John Doe can't get away with this, but Al can.

9 posted on 04/20/2012 9:45:19 AM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: QT3.14

“section 31406 of the bill makes it mandatory for “black box” event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.”

If you wonder why real inflation is so much higher than reported inflation, this is an instance of one of the reasons why. This adds functionality to the product, you see, so yeah you’re paying more, but you’re getting more too. The fancy term for this is “hedonic adjustment”. Abra cadabra, the inflation is gone!


10 posted on 04/20/2012 9:45:58 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
-- Another nail in Liberty’s coffin.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Zimmerman: White Hispanic -- that means Obama is our first White Black president)
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To: QT3.14

We need a reprieve, we need a congress that will only pass the required legislation to keep the CONSTITUTIONAL functions of government and then NO NEW LAWS, just repealing old laws and try to undo the damage. We have TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 9:46:52 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: QT3.14

Time to get a passport is now. If “they” don’t want a person to leave the country they will just make stuff up.


13 posted on 04/20/2012 9:49:22 AM PDT by madison10
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To: QT3.14

MOST EGREGIOUS SECTION:

(As part of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), Congress has inserted language that would oblige the Secretary of State to revoke or deny a passport to any U.S. citizen who the IRS Commissioner deems as having “seriously delinquent tax debt.”
Bear in mind, this is strictly an administrative procedure; THERE IS NO DUE PROCESS. By comparison, EVEN PEDOPHILES go in front of a judge before losing their passports.
Something is wrong with this picture.)

To Barbara Boxer, pedophiles commit less serious a crime than not paying her socialist soon to be police state. This is serious folks. If someone disagrees with the IRS, this law allows the US to prevent them from going abroad, not too different from EAST GERMANY days BEFORE THE FALL OF THE WALL! WE NEED TO CALL OUR SO-CALLED REPRESENTATIVES AND RAISE HOLY HELL!


14 posted on 04/20/2012 9:49:32 AM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: QT3.14

MOST EGREGIOUS SECTION:

(As part of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), Congress has inserted language that would oblige the Secretary of State to revoke or deny a passport to any U.S. citizen who the IRS Commissioner deems as having “seriously delinquent tax debt.”
Bear in mind, this is strictly an administrative procedure; THERE IS NO DUE PROCESS. By comparison, EVEN PEDOPHILES go in front of a judge before losing their passports.
Something is wrong with this picture.)

To Barbara Boxer, pedophiles commit less serious a crime than not paying her socialist soon to be police state. This is serious folks. If someone disagrees with the IRS, this law allows the US to prevent them from going abroad, not too different from EAST GERMANY days BEFORE THE FALL OF THE WALL! WE NEED TO CALL OUR SO-CALLED REPRESENTATIVES AND RAISE HOLY HELL!


15 posted on 04/20/2012 9:49:36 AM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: paul51
Doubt it, but in any event, their power will be diminished.

Meanwhile, we need to run citizen representatives and remove the connected.

16 posted on 04/20/2012 9:51:04 AM PDT by Errant
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To: madison10

‘Time to get a passport is now. “

When you present your passport at teh border, the computers will flag you then, and you’ll be stopped.

Unless you are a senator, Sharpton, or Geittner.


17 posted on 04/20/2012 9:51:55 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: QT3.14; All
-- Section 31504 requires the development of special alarm systems designed to remind drivers that there are other passengers in the vehicle.

Is this an example of the nanny-state on steroids?

18 posted on 04/20/2012 9:55:44 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Zimmerman: White Hispanic -- that means Obama is our first White Black president)
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To: Yulee

Sharpton is safe. He’s a token member of the Oligarchy.


19 posted on 04/20/2012 9:57:49 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: duffee

Precisely, exactly, agree. We can dream.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 9:58:09 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: DBrow

We’re in a beautiful, freakin’ prison, aren’t we?


21 posted on 04/20/2012 10:01:06 AM PDT by madison10
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To: QT3.14

This is getting too creepy.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 10:02:44 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: QT3.14; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I don’t add you to the list...

23 posted on 04/20/2012 10:08:07 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1186 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: rockinqsranch

I know it’s a dream, after the 2010 elections I thought we were possibly headed in the direction of less government, but now?


24 posted on 04/20/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: madison10
-- We’re in a beautiful, freakin’ prison, aren’t we?

You mean something like this?


25 posted on 04/20/2012 10:23:48 AM PDT by QT3.14 (Zimmerman: White Hispanic -- that means Obama is our first White Black president)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Liberty went up in flames after the coffin was nailed shut, thrown down a ravine, doused in gasoline, and lit on fire. If we could even find teeth to identify the remains, I would be shocked.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 10:24:20 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: QT3.14

“seriously delinquent tax debt.”

Does this mean Al Sharpton will have to stay home?


27 posted on 04/20/2012 10:26:39 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: QT3.14
Congress Is About To Pass A Bill That Restricts Traveling, Driving And International Banking

We don't need this because we have a political party already devoted to those things.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 10:31:41 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: QT3.14; lightman; SF_Redux

Well, that narrows it to only a 2012-13-14 SUV to replace the current unit; no 2015s in any future purchases, it would appear.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 10:36:52 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill

I was putting off buying a new car but it looks like 2013 will be the year. It will then have to last the rest of my driving years.


30 posted on 04/20/2012 10:41:13 AM PDT by sheana
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To: QT3.14

Unconstitutional.


31 posted on 04/20/2012 10:44:53 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Yulee

Would this keep Warren Buffet from being able to travel?

Heck, most of Obama’s cabinet wouldn’t have been able to travel...


32 posted on 04/20/2012 10:49:42 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: QT3.14

And why do ALL of our “conservative”, Republican AND Tea Party Representatives vote for this stuff every time?

Are they all compromised in one way or another?

Say what you will about Ron Paul, but at least he always votes correctly on freedom issues.


33 posted on 04/20/2012 10:50:11 AM PDT by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: sheana

That which can be installed can be uninstalled.

But to get back to frightening reality we all need to never ever lose sight of the fact that this bill and all the other nonsense could not get passed if a goodly portion of the GOP were not voting for it. When do we stop calling them go alongs and start calling them co-conspirators?


34 posted on 04/20/2012 10:54:01 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Oh I agree. I have little respect for either party. They are both guilty.


35 posted on 04/20/2012 10:59:27 AM PDT by sheana
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To: QT3.14
A totalitarian government must clamp down on citizensubjects' mobility, especially into and out of the country. It must control the movements of citizens and of money. Eventually the government must know or be able to instantly find the location of every subject. There will be no policeman demanding to see your papers. He will simply point his sensor at you and get all the information he wants from your imbedded chip.
36 posted on 04/20/2012 11:01:42 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: sheana

Same feeling here, s.


37 posted on 04/20/2012 11:06:03 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: madison10

With the current passports all that has to be done to cancel it is to enter the passport number into the program and cancel it. Your high tech beautifully crafted passport becomes, at best, waste paper, at worst- the document that identifies you at the airport for the goons waiting to pick you up for trying to leave the country without government permission.


38 posted on 04/20/2012 11:06:22 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: DBrow

And what if our black box “malfunctions” after we buy the car? Does the government pay to fix it? I predict that mine will malfunction rather quickly. And I don’t plan to report it to anyone.


39 posted on 04/20/2012 11:08:58 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Just because someone thinks it's a good idea doesn't make it legal.)
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To: sheana

Starting in 2015 purchase of a used car will get you placed on the Suspected Domestic Terrorist list or/and the Suspected Tax Evader list. Look for a particularly aggressive IRS audit.


40 posted on 04/20/2012 11:11:20 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Georgia Girl 2; A. Patriot; sheana

Representative do not depend on our votes any mmore after they attain office. They would like to be re-elected but they will no pass up the riches that accrue immediately they drop their principles into the Congressional Memory hole.


41 posted on 04/20/2012 11:14:33 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: QT3.14

Any Senator who votes for MAP-21 immediately outs him- or herself as a totalitarian.


42 posted on 04/20/2012 11:18:32 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: QT3.14

ping


43 posted on 04/20/2012 11:20:29 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: rfreedom4u

“And what if our black box “malfunctions” after we buy the car?”

Then it would not pass an annual “safety” inspection, just like the exhaust emission controls.


44 posted on 04/20/2012 11:22:01 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: QT3.14
...mandatory for "black box" event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.

If it can't be bypassed, look for new car sales to slump. 2014 will be a great new car sales year.

45 posted on 04/20/2012 11:23:46 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: petro45acp

Welcome to the satanic, multicultered, diversified, one world utopia. Line up in an orderly fashion for your rainbow stew and free bubble up.


46 posted on 04/20/2012 11:27:34 AM PDT by winodog
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To: rfreedom4u

Well, if I were the designer, I’d add in “tamper” alarms that would indicate malfunction or tampering.

Maybe put a little transponder at every gas pump, tollbooth, bridge, and cop car, that would indicate someone operating a motor vehicle with a defective, broken, or tampered “black box”.

Naturally it’ll be a crime to drive with a tampered box.

The fixed location transponders, I’d have them read the black box data and ZigBee or otherwise network it to some vast computer that watches everything, for tax apportionment purposes, and compare it to the data in the box when you get your annual safety and road tax inspection.

But then, I’m not one of the system designers, so maybe they won’t think of enforcement issues.


47 posted on 04/20/2012 11:29:52 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: paul51
most of us can't resist the power and money they bribe us with.

Without a SOLID spiritual base, we just blow in the wind.

48 posted on 04/20/2012 11:41:26 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: arthurus

Yes, our little Rep Rob Woodall will just tell you all day long at the townhall about how conservative he is and then he turns around and votes for every one of these POS bills. We are never voting for him again.


49 posted on 04/20/2012 11:49:50 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: null and void
And the herd cried out in a long, low refrain in protest..."Mooooooo"!
However, people in DC claimed they didn't speak Bovine, despite their being all too familiar with dispensing "the end product" for years as a "productive product", so the loading continued unabated.
50 posted on 04/20/2012 11:50:40 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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