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Report: Zimmerman told cops Trayvonís last words: ĎOkay, you got ití
The Daily Caller ^ | 19 Apr 2012 | Vince Coglianese

Posted on 04/20/2012 11:43:25 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss

Martin punched Zimmerman, knocking him down. “Zimmerman told police that when he was on the ground, Martin straddled him, striking him, and then tried to smother him,” wrote Beast reporter Aram Roston.

That was when Zimmerman said he shouted for help, explained the source. Some of Martin’s advocates have insisted it was actually the teenager who was heard shouting on a 911 call made from within earshot of the scene.

Zimmerman claimed that it wasn’t until Martin noticed the 9mm pistol holstered to Zimmerman’s waist that the older man grabbed it and shot Martin.

“Okay, you got it,” Martin reportedly said twice before falling back.

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Trayvon slugs him, breaks his nose and knocks him to the ground.

Trayvon pummels him, smothers him, and tries to crack his head open.

But as soon as Zimmerman gets control of the gun and gets a round off, suddenly it's a different story from Trayvon: "Okay, you got it, okay you got it!"

Trayvon probably had no clue at that split second how serious the damage would be from the shot. Maybe there was a fleeting moment when it crossed his mind that like 50 Cent or other gangsta/rapper heroes, that he would have a bullet scar to show off to impress other wannabe gangstas with.

But as soon as the tables were turned, and Zimmerman had control of the gun, it was "okay you got it, okay you got it" demanding Zimmerman to give him a break now that Zimmerman had the edge.

Trayvon likely didn't realize at that time that it was already too late and that the one round that Zimmerman managed to get off would be enough to kill him.

1 posted on 04/20/2012 11:43:37 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

If the kid was a jit, we must aquit.


2 posted on 04/20/2012 11:48:15 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Meet the New Boss

Sounds like Martin did not feel any pain from the bullet and therefore thought he was ok and likely was about to get off of Zimmerman since Zimmerman now had the edge. The bullet likely went right through his heart giving him a couple of seconds of conciousness and then death.

A fool kid in so many ways.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 11:56:15 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("He's (Obama) got an enemies list that would make Richard Nixon proud.¬Ē)
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To: goseminoles

I don’t think this is going to be like the OJ trial. I think this will come down with clear evidence.

I think the head banging, after the sucker punching...when poor widdle CHILD Tray had only a few yards to his Dad’s “fiance’s” house (don’t ya love how THAT word has been degraded?)....

It’s going to be ugly. Be prepared.

And I don’t mean that to whip things up. Just...be prepared to protect your family. It’s what you should do if your neighborhood is invaded.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 11:56:19 AM PDT by Pigsley
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To: Meet the New Boss
I see it totally differently.. "Okay, you got it" was Trayvon's way of saying 'YOU WON, I'M DEAD' but more importantly is EVIDENCE THAT TRAYVON WAS AWARE ZIMM HAD A GUN AND HAD STRUGGLED FOR CONTROL OF IT. In other words, this was a classic struggle to the death and it could've easily gone the other way. Actually, based on Martin's 'upper hand' in this fight, Zimmerman was just plain lucky to have prevailed.

Angela Corey is going to be saying "Okay, you got it" to the defense attorney by the time this is over.

5 posted on 04/20/2012 12:00:24 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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“Okay, you got it,”

Rather than me. I was trying to get it, mind you. But you got it instead. No need to shoot me again, I give.

Everything Zimmerman has said about this fight fits.

6 posted on 04/20/2012 12:01:20 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Meet the New Boss

If Martin was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was the one calling for help, he is clearly innocent and the charges should be dropped ASAP. If there is some evidence to the contrary, it should be disclosed to Zimmerman’s attorneys, and, preferably, made public.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 12:03:47 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: HerrBlucher

Whoever thinks a ‘double tap’ with a 9mm is necessary to kill a man.. Think again. DT is a good practice, however.


8 posted on 04/20/2012 12:04:12 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Meet the New Boss

I thought that the 9mm is a complete waste as a self-defense weapon — at least that’s what I have been told by the .40 bots and .45 bots.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 12:04:34 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: iowamark

The witness named “John” has stated that it was clearly Zimmerman who was shouting for help. There’s no disputing that, unless of course you think John is lying.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 12:07:25 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: goseminoles

If his head was split, you must acquit!


11 posted on 04/20/2012 12:07:36 PM PDT by Autonomous User ( As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

No doubt in my mind, if M could have gotten the gun, he would have used it.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 12:10:48 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: Labyrinthos
I thought that the 9mm is a complete waste as a self-defense weapon — at least that’s what I have been told by the .40 bots and .45 bots.

"The only good defense ammo is one that starts with a '4'"

Maybe, but shot placement counts for a lot more than caliber.

13 posted on 04/20/2012 12:11:51 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Trayvon's way of saying 'YOU WON, I'M DEAD'

The point where I differ with you is that in the moment when someone is shot, they typically don't immediately comprehend what the extent of what happened was and how serious it was. You hear that over and over from people describing what they felt when they were shot. Often, they don't even realize that they have just been shot in those immediate moments. In the instant he was shot, I don't expect that Trayvon was thinking that he was just shot dead.

I do agree with you as the point about the struggle for control of the gun.

But as for the "struggle to the death", I think in Trayvon's mind that was only one way. As soon as the man had the edge, Trayvon fully expected him to let up, even though Trayvon had not let up on Zimmerman when Trayvon had the edge. That's the thug mentality.

14 posted on 04/20/2012 12:12:26 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: TribalPrincess2U

We would never hear about it because a black punk thug shooting a white or hispanic person isn’t news.
You are totally right though.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 12:13:58 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Labyrinthos
Hardly.
16 posted on 04/20/2012 12:17:29 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

Zim may have tried but the second round apparently jammed.


17 posted on 04/20/2012 12:18:22 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("He's (Obama) got an enemies list that would make Richard Nixon proud.¬Ē)
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To: Yo-Yo
Maybe, but shot placement counts for a lot more than caliber.The 40/45 bots will contend that if Zimmerman had used a defense ammo that starts with a "4," Martin would not have had any last words after getting shot.

IMHO, the best defensive handgun is one that you will carry and practice with and be able to consistently double-tap with into a 10" kill zone at seven to ten yards. If you can do that, then there's a pretty good chance that you will be able to do what you need to do at five yards or less when subjected to a potentially deadly attack.

18 posted on 04/20/2012 12:31:12 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Meet the New Boss

What I have never understood is what was wrong with Zimmerman asking Trayvon what he was up to. All the kid had to do was explain that he went to 7/11 and was headed home.

“Hey bud, could I ask you what you’re doing in here?”

“Hi, my name is Trayvon. I just went to 7/11 and am now headed home. My dad lives right down there too. Why? What’s up?”

“Well, we’ve had some crimes committed in here, and I’m a neighbood watch guy, and I’m trying to help out.”

“Oh, okay. Well I live at xxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. My phone number is xxx xxx xxxx. If you want, you can contact me whenever you like. Catch you later...”


19 posted on 04/20/2012 12:33:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

He may have been talking to himself...

Sounds like the kind of thing I say to myself when I am hurt badly and am trying to get it together.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 12:35:08 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Labyrinthos
I thought that the 9mm is a complete waste as a self-defense weapon — at least that’s what I have been told by the .40 bots and .45 bots.

Here are some stats calculated by the Buckeye Firearms Association based on actual shooting incidents, not range plinking and advertising.

Caliber / Prob kill* / prob of 1 shot incapacity
.22 long / 34% / 31%
.380 ACP / 29% / 44%
9mm / 24% / 34%
.357 Mag / 34% / 44%
.45 ACP / 29% / 45%
.44 Mag / 26% / 59%
7.62 x 51 & .308 / 68% / 58%


So unless you are using a .44 Mag or an M-14 statistics say you are going to need a double tap. And even with those you are going to need a second round more than 40% of the time.

BTW the reason for the high lethality (tied for highest of all pistol rounds) for the .22 long was that it was easy to get off multiple aimed rounds. IOW you just Swiss cheese they guy.

* May include multiple shots.
21 posted on 04/20/2012 12:35:08 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Stovepipe jam after first shot


22 posted on 04/20/2012 12:37:31 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Meet the New Boss

the story from the french revolution where people that just got there heads cut off were still blinking comes to mind :)


23 posted on 04/20/2012 12:38:42 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Labyrinthos

If Zimmerman had been a cop, he would of been given a week paid vacation and been back at work by now.

This whole case is a disgrace.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 12:40:21 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: HerrBlucher

I read that Zimmerman had a little Keltech (made in Florida). My brother gave me one of those - not happy to hear about the jamming. I gotta get back to the range.


25 posted on 04/20/2012 12:44:04 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Meet the New Boss

Just a sad situation. Not sure if Martin wanted to kill Zimmerman but if he had let up and not pounded his head in cement Martin would still be alive today. Zimmerman should have shot him in the leg but I doubt he had time to think about where he was going to shoot since he probably felt Martin was going for his gun at the point he shot.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 12:44:53 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Labyrinthos
The best defensive handgun is one that you will carry and practice with and be able to consistently double-tap with into a 10" kill zone at seven to ten yards.

BINGO!


Since 9mm is cheaper than .44 Magnum you will probably practice more. In addition since statistically you will need multiple shots to ensure the target is incapicated (41% of the time even with .44 magnum) it is the gun you can get on target for the second round faster than matters. Finally the most important gun is the one you have with you. A .22 long in the holster is a lot more useful thatn a .44 magnum that you didn't bring with because it was too heavty to lug around all day.
27 posted on 04/20/2012 12:45:51 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: wrench

what kinda side arm did Zimmerman have?


28 posted on 04/20/2012 12:49:54 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: Labyrinthos

Modern ammo has caused some police departments to consider going back to the nine mm. FMJ 9 mm. is still a military round.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 12:59:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: ezoeni

never mind - Keltec from previous post


30 posted on 04/20/2012 1:01:00 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: tumblindice
Modern ammo has caused some police departments to consider going back to the nine mm. FMJ 9 mm. is still a military round.

The big concern is weight. Remember a cop has to drag his gun around all the time. He will likely only draw in in anger once or twice in his entire term of service. Since statistically you are going to have to shoot twice in any case you might as well have something that is comfortable to keep on your belt.
31 posted on 04/20/2012 1:06:24 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ezoeni

It was one of the smaller 9mm semi-auto pistols. Ruger or Keltec, do not remember. It is in the original police report that is on the net.


32 posted on 04/20/2012 1:08:53 PM PDT by wrench
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

I carry the Speer Gold Dot 9mm +p in my Springfield XD Subcompact and Hornady .357 125 gr XTP in my Ruger 2.25”.


33 posted on 04/20/2012 1:09:02 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Sioux-san
Could have been a number of factors related to the close proximity of the two men. Contact shots at close quarters can cause malfunctions as well as contact with the back of the slide against the shooter. I knew a guy doing a close quarter drill that had a malfunction because the slide hit his man boob. (Yes, we all laughed at him.)

Not necessarily a sign of a bad gun.

34 posted on 04/20/2012 1:09:57 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Local news says judge just set bail, 150K, and Zimmerman will be released with an ankle monitoring collar.


35 posted on 04/20/2012 1:18:06 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: GonzoGOP
Here are some stats calculated by the Buckeye Firearms Association based on actual shooting incidents, not range plinking and advertising.

I've seen these stats before. The problem with using actual field results is that not every caliber was fired from the same distance using an identical weapon that placed the shot in the exact same location on perps that were dressed exactly alike. For example, how many of the 9mm incidents involved ball ammo as opposed to hollow point +p ammo? How many of the .357 incidents involved a an uncontrollable featherlight revolver as opposed to a more controllable heavyweight revolver like the S&W 686 or Ruger GP 100 or even a light-heavyweight like the Ruger SP 101?

36 posted on 04/20/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: USNBandit
Could have been a number of factors related to the close proximity of the two men. Contact shots at close quarters can cause malfunctions as well as contact with the back of the slide against the shooter. I knew a guy doing a close quarter drill that had a malfunction because the slide hit his man boob. (Yes, we all laughed at him.)

It makes tactical sense to carry a knife for just such a scenario. Becoming skilled in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is probably a good idea, also.

37 posted on 04/20/2012 1:24:15 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

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38 posted on 04/20/2012 1:26:35 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: GonzoGOP

The problem with ‘real world data’ is that there are too many variables.

If you shoot someone in the meaty part of the thigh, the shot will do nothing to FORCE the BG to stop - although about half the time he will.

OTOH, if you shoot a guy in the heart with a 44 mag, there is enough blood left in the brain for him to shoot back for 10-20 seconds - which is enough for him to empty a 9mm magazine into you.

Bigger is better until bigger interferes with your shooting with some accuracy. I can shoot a 44 mag fine out of a 7.5” barrel Ruger, but it is kind of hard to conceal that size of gun.

I can shoot 357 mag out of a 686+ with good accuracy, but if I want to be completely comfortable, 38+P is better.

However, since my life is in danger (otherwise there is no justification for my shooting), and since NO HANDGUN can promise to stop someone in less than 10 seconds, even with multiple rounds...I prefer to think of: Shoot once. Move. Shoot once. Move.

And if you are on your back and cannot move & your life is in danger: Empty the gun.

Apart from a difficult brain shot, no handgun offers a 1 or 2 or 10 shot promise to incapacitate. A handgun is always an offensive weapon being used for defensive purposes because it is the last resort. IMHO.


39 posted on 04/20/2012 1:27:23 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Pigsley

Simply, if Zimmerman wanted to just shoot him for fun with malice or as a hate crime, why on earth would he have called 911 first to report a suspicious person?


40 posted on 04/20/2012 1:30:38 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: wrench

Do we know the brand of pistol?
So I don’t buy one...


41 posted on 04/20/2012 1:31:41 PM PDT by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: Pigsley

When do people wake up to the exact legal relationship between Trayvon’s Parents?
Egg donor and sperm donor? Never Married? Not Necessary!
Husband and wife ever?
My neighborhood phone book starts with John Browning and ends with Dan Wesson!


42 posted on 04/20/2012 1:35:03 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: Labyrinthos
The problem with using actual field results is that not every caliber was fired from the same distance using an identical weapon that placed the shot in the exact same location on perps that were dressed exactly alike.

It is the old lab -vs- field argument. On the range you can control all the variables, but history is replete with examples of guns, cars, computers, airplanes, that did great in the lab and were disasters in the field. The original M-16 ran rings around the AK-47 on the gun range, but when deployed to Vietnam it was a jam happy nightmare. The lab is great if you lack sufficient data for real world statistical evaluation. But if you have the data the best way to find out about how thins work in the real world is to study the real world.

The big lesson to take away is not that one round had a 1% or 2% better chance of incapacitating an opponent. It was that none of them had a sure thing one round incapacitation. With the exception of the .44 mag none of them even broke 50%. Even a 7.62 rifle round needed a double tap 40% of the time. No pistol, I don't care what you load it with, is going to deliver more energy than a battle rifle. So you should always plan on a double tap. Even if your firearm stars with a four.
43 posted on 04/20/2012 1:39:08 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: nixonsnose

Any semi-auto may go out of battery if you’re pressing the muzzle against something solid.
That’s why you need one of these: http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pb1-0ss.jpg


44 posted on 04/20/2012 1:40:53 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: nixonsnose; wrench
Do we know the brand of pistol? So I don’t buy one...

KelTec. Although KelTec has received some mixed reviews in the past, just about every pistol that relies upon blow-back to eject the shell will stove pipe if the shooter doesn't stiff arm the strong side grip -- which is a real possibility when you are lying on the ground with someone straddling yur chest as he pounds your head into concrete. This is one of the reasons that I carry a revolver 80% of the time.

45 posted on 04/20/2012 1:50:58 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: USNBandit

good to know - it did just fine the first time I practiced with it - like my Firestarter better because it has a safety and the Keltech doesn’t.

Any how, I am hoping and praying that Mr. Zimmerman gets a fair trial.


46 posted on 04/20/2012 1:52:15 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Meet the New Boss

Good analysis...a reasonable version of what happened


47 posted on 04/20/2012 1:55:16 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: tumblindice
bail
48 posted on 04/20/2012 1:55:28 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: DoughtyOne

I posted something along the same lines and got hammered for it. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2869597/posts

It was a stupid, sad incident. Two seconds of actual talking and Martin would be alive and Zimmerman would not have taking a life on his conscience.


49 posted on 04/20/2012 1:59:44 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: chevydude26
"Zimmerman should have shot him in the leg"

When someone is trying to kill you, you cannot give them a head start to try and be fair.

50 posted on 04/20/2012 2:03:15 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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