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Rocket launcher discovered amid household trash alarms neighbors
yourhoustonnews.com ^ | 19 April 2012 | Stefanie Thomas

Posted on 04/20/2012 12:35:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog

KINGWOOD - Residents at a Forest Cove town home community had quite a scare Thursday morning when they found a military rocket launcher-type weapon lying on top of some boxes laid out for trash pickup.

“I was pretty sure it was real when the garbage people wouldn’t pick it up and said they weren’t messing with it,” said neighbor James Earl.

Agents with the Houston division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms responded to the 900 block of Marina Dr. around 11 a.m. April 19 and confirmed that the fear-inspiring object was indeed a military guided missile device. Agents quickly determined, however, that the weapon no longer contained any explosive agents and all that remained was the hull.

“It must have been in storage for a very long time,” Sr. Special Agent Arthur Gonzalez said at the scene. “It was very dirty and had all kinds of cobwebs inside. I cleaned it out and even found a bunch of black widow spider eggs inside the tube.”

Gonzalez said it is not illegal to own a spent rocket launcher.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; rocketlauncher

1 posted on 04/20/2012 12:35:29 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog
Did it look like this?


Of course, journ-0-lists refer to anything more dangerous than a pop-gun an "assault rifle" so you never know...
2 posted on 04/20/2012 12:38:02 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: smokingfrog

It wouldn’t be out in the trash if it hadn’t already been used. And it was probably on top to keep the lighter items from blowing away.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 12:44:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: smokingfrog

Prolly one of those use-once rocket launch tubes you see at gun shows. Pretty scary looking, pistol grip, sights, warning labels.

Also harmless. Evacuate the neighborhood!


4 posted on 04/20/2012 12:46:24 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: smokingfrog

“Honey, where’s my rocket launcher?”


5 posted on 04/20/2012 12:49:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: smokingfrog
Reminds me of a catchy tune If I had a rocket launcher


Lyrics:

Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a bitch would die

6 posted on 04/20/2012 12:52:21 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: smokingfrog

Damn.....shooting black widow spider eggs at people.....that’s just ruthless.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 12:58:01 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: smokingfrog

How come my neighbors never leave ny thing good like that in the trash.


8 posted on 04/20/2012 1:07:15 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: smokingfrog

Does Bruce Cockburn live in that neighborhood?


9 posted on 04/20/2012 1:08:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: smokingfrog

Probably an M72 LAW, just the shell, used as a training device in the military, and harmless.

LAW...Light Anti-Tank Weapon


10 posted on 04/20/2012 1:08:53 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Thanks, Bruce...


11 posted on 04/20/2012 1:11:07 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1186 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: smokingfrog
...military guided missile device

If one of these I don't think is a guided missile launcher.

12 posted on 04/20/2012 1:14:55 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: smokingfrog
“It was very dirty and had all kinds of cobwebs inside. I cleaned it out and even found a bunch of black widow spider eggs inside the tube.”

A bunch of black widow spider eggs? Clearly a weapon of mass destruction! The whole neighborhood for 8 to 10 block radius should be locked down and everyone stripped searched!
13 posted on 04/20/2012 1:19:44 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Lyrics:

Here comes the helicopter — second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they’ve murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I’d make somebody pay

I don’t believe in guarded borders and I don’t believe in hate
I don’t believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
“If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation — or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice — at least I’ve got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a bitch would die “

Excellent!


14 posted on 04/20/2012 1:21:17 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: dfwgator
Does Bruce Cockburn live in that neighborhood?

That was a good song and a funny one, too, considering the singer, because he finally realized there are some things that really merit simply blowing the crap out of some malefactor.
15 posted on 04/20/2012 1:23:41 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan; dfwgator

I don’t know who lives in the neighborhood, but if they are armed like that I bet they have a dammed good neighborhood watch!


16 posted on 04/20/2012 1:27:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: smokingfrog
“I was pretty sure it was real when the garbage people wouldn’t pick it up and said they weren’t messing with it,” said neighbor James Earl.

Nah, it was just that all recyclables have to be in the correct bin.

17 posted on 04/20/2012 1:27:23 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: PoloSec

It looks more like a Stinger. There are photos at the link.


18 posted on 04/20/2012 1:31:11 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

“All that remained was the hull” - well, let’s put an outboard Merc on it and go water skiing!


19 posted on 04/20/2012 1:39:04 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Can someone identify?

20 posted on 04/20/2012 1:55:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: the_daug

Heck, the news media can’t report accurately on conventional firearms. How did you suppose they would do with one each M72A2 Light Antitank Weapon (with coupler - very important that...)


21 posted on 04/20/2012 1:55:21 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: smokingfrog

So they found a tube. Scary. Any PVC close by?


22 posted on 04/20/2012 1:57:38 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: the_daug
This was a Redeye Antiaircraft Guided Missile Launcher.
23 posted on 04/20/2012 1:59:35 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: smokingfrog

Someone got carried away in their preps, then came to their senses. ;)


24 posted on 04/20/2012 2:01:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: PoloSec

You’re probably right. I found one in the trash when I was 11. Talk about a prize!


25 posted on 04/20/2012 2:01:41 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: smokingfrog
It looks a lot like a Stinger surface-to-air missile.
26 posted on 04/20/2012 2:23:26 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: DJ Taylor
This was a Redeye Antiaircraft Guided Missile Launcher.

I think you're right.

27 posted on 04/20/2012 2:29:19 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
It's a FIM-43 Redeye training unit. It's not a real launcher. Made for indoor training back in the '70s where the tracking unit was pointed at a big screen RGB projection display television which showed film of a flying MiG fighter jet.

You stood in a darkened room and trained to get 'lock on' on the jet appearing on the big screen TV, then you'd fire. It was like playing a video game.

This launcher taken from whoever's trash has the flashlight gizmo in the tube and the training module dealie mounted on it. It only bears similarity to a real FIM-43 launcher.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 2:31:58 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: smokingfrog
Rocket launcher discovered amid household trash alarms neighbors.

Mom said if I didn't pick up my toys she was going to throw them out. I guess she wasn't kidding.

29 posted on 04/20/2012 2:32:47 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: smokingfrog

Were they upset because someone didn’t put it in the recycle bin?


30 posted on 04/20/2012 2:35:26 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh you trembling, hand-wringing excuses for what were once Americans.


31 posted on 04/20/2012 2:47:49 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: The KG9 Kid

I thought it might be a training device. Something about it didn’t look right. Pretty old school stuff alright. Redeye had a hard time hitting the fast movers, didn’t it?


32 posted on 04/20/2012 2:54:42 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Somebody got a good wall hanger!


33 posted on 04/20/2012 3:11:39 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Impeach! Incarcerate! Deport!)
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To: smokingfrog
"Pretty old school stuff alright... Redeye had a hard time hitting the fast movers, didn’t it?"

My opinion is that all man-portable air defense systems sort of suck, some more/some less, depending.

I don't know if the FIM-43 Redeye was ever used in combat, but I don't think that they were ever needed by US troops in Vietnam. If they ever were used by US troops in combat, I can only think that Lebanon or Grenada would have been the places where a Redeye might have been used before these were taken out of service.

I don't know what any non-US state (which might have acquired any) thought about them in practice, or if they ever fulfilled their role in downing an enemy aircraft.

Only thing I know about MANPADS are that they're very limited in their opportunity to down an aircraft. Fast fighter jets can be out of danger before you can get a lock-on. They can be effective vs. helicopters, but trying to down a enormous jumbo jet with one probably isn't going to do critical damage to such a large aircraft.

Of course, I guess it's all about luck. When I was 9 years old, I hit and killed an airborne horsefly firing a Daisy BB gun from about 25 feet from the hip. My grandmother was even witness to this amazing feat, but she's been gone since 1979 so you're going to have to take my word that this happened.

34 posted on 04/20/2012 3:51:46 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: the_daug; Squantos
If one of these I don't think is a guided missile launcher.

Not one of those. One of these:


35 posted on 04/21/2012 6:26:37 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: smokingfrog
I thought it might be a training device. Something about it didn’t look right. Pretty old school stuff alright. Redeye had a hard time hitting the fast movers, didn’t it?

Like its contemporary the 9K32M Strela-2M, aka SAM-2 to NATO, the Redeye was a tailchase heat-seeker, and was NOT *fire-and-forget*- the gunner had to continue the track until impact, a considerable disadvantage when dealing with hostile CAS aircraft or attack helos.

There's something about that launch unit that looks un-Redeye-ish to my old eyes, but it's been 40-years plus since I've had one on my shoulder. It may be one of the *block III launch units, which were different. But I bet Squantos knows.

FIM-43_Redeye
Comparison chart

System 9K32M Strela-2M
(missile: 9M32M)
9K34 Strela-3
(missile: 9M36)
FIM-43C Redeye
Service entry 1968 1974 1968
Weight of system
ready to shoot
15 kg 16 kg 13.3 kg
Missile weight 9.8 kg 10.3 kg 8.3 kg
Length 1.44 m 1.47 m 1.40 m
Warhead weight 1.17 kg 1.17 kg 1.06 kg
Warhead type Directed-energy
blast fragmentation
Directed-energy
blast fragmentation
Blast fragmentation (M222)
Warhead explosive content 0.37 kg HMX 0.37 kg HMX
and 20g secondary charge [4]
0.36 kg HTA-3
Missile engagement aspect Tail-chase only Limited forward hemisphere
(all-aspect) capability
Tail-chase / limited forward-hemisphere
(depending on conditions and version)
Seeker type Uncooled
PbS detector element
(1–2.8 µm sensitivity range).
Nitrogen-cooled
PbS detector element
(2–4.3 µm sensitivity range).
Gas-cooled (FIM-43A:
Peltier cooled)
PbS detector element
Seeker modulation AM-modulated (spin scan) FM-modulated (conical scan) AM-modulated
Maximum range 4,200 m 4,100 m 4,500 m
Missile speed 500 m/s 450 m/s 580 m/s
Maximum speed target speed 260 m/s (receding) 310 m/s (receding) 225 m/s
Engagement altitude 0.05-2.3 km 0.03-2.3 ... 3.0 km 0.05-2.7 km


36 posted on 04/21/2012 6:40:25 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: The KG9 Kid
I don't know what any non-US state (which might have acquired any) thought about them in practice, or if they ever fulfilled their role in downing an enemy aircraft.

In addition to the U.S., provided to Australia, Croatia, El Salvador, West Germany, Israel, Nicaragua, Sweden, Thailand and Turkey. Reportedly, Iran got some before the 1979 overthrow of the Shah.

I don't know if the FIM-43 Redeye was ever used in combat,

Yes. But not, so far as I know, by US troops in US uniform.

37 posted on 04/21/2012 6:47:46 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: dljordan
Oh you trembling, hand-wringing excuses for what were once Americans.

They're a little more hinky about such things around Fort Bliss than elsewhere. And with good reason.

38 posted on 04/21/2012 6:49:46 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: smokingfrog

“It was very dirty and had all kinds of cobwebs inside. I cleaned it out and even found a bunch of black widow spider eggs inside the tube.”

I bet if you took it out in the middle of the street and pointed it at a police car you’d get a reaction. :)

But, no, empty LAWS tubes are not illegal or dangerous.


39 posted on 04/21/2012 7:00:50 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: archy

Destroyed many of those in the late 80’s ..... some via trigger, others on a demolition shot...... etc .

Most out at Eagle Range between Wendover and SLC Utah.

I have seen a bunch of em in central america and ecuador. Military aid package no doubt......:o)

Stay safe Archy !


40 posted on 04/21/2012 7:01:56 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: PLMerite
But, no, empty LAWS tubes are not illegal or dangerous.

I bet you could turn it into an excellent spud launcher. That would clean out the spider eggs, too.

FOOP! There's nothing so satisfying as watching a potato fly across the field and into the pond.

I feel sorry for kids now. They aren't allowed to have any fun.

41 posted on 04/21/2012 7:04:54 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Squantos
Destroyed many of those in the late 80’s ..... some via trigger, others on a demolition shot...... etc .

You think the one pictured in #35 is one of the *Block III* units?

42 posted on 04/24/2012 1:46:49 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

Not a clue Archy.... Don’t even remember covering US weapons at the foreign materials intelligence school’s... For specific origins or type unless it had a specific standout hazard outside of the norm.

My primary base of knowledge was “render safe” and improvised uses an as a battlefield pick up. I did spend time at mcgregor range at Ft Bliss on the stingers yet SA-18’s etc were my sino soviet concern. Came across the redeye only a few times an used flex linear shape charges or bulk C to destroy em.

Block III .... Not a clue buddy...

Stay safe.


43 posted on 04/24/2012 4:41:14 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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