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Paul Ryan: Romneycare 'Not that Dissimilar to Obamacare' (Mar 2, 2011)
Weekly Standard ^ | Mar 2, 2011 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 04/20/2012 2:53:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

This morning at a breakfast meeting sponsored by the American Spectator, Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan talked about what he's looking for in a Republican presidential candidate, reiterated he won't seek the White House, and left the door wide-open to accepting a vice presidential nomination.

Ryan said that in recent weeks he's talked to Governors Haley Barbour, Tim Pawlenty, and Mitch Daniels, but is keeping his mind open about a potential endorsement. “I don't really have a strong preference right now," Ryan said of the prospective 2012 field. "I want to wait and see what these people are made of and what they're going to talk about.”

“To me, what matters most is someone who really has conviction in their heart and mind on these core principles," he continued. "We can't just give it to the next person in line or [have] a personality contest. We will lose a personality contest. We will win an ideas contest.”

Asked about the Massachusetts health care plan signed into law by Mitt Romney, Ryan said, “It’s not that dissimilar to Obamacare, and you probably know I’m not a big fan of Obamacare. I just don’t think the mandates work … all the regulation they’ve put on it.”

“I haven't studied in depth the status of it," he continued, "but I think it’s beginning to death spiral. They’re beginning to have to look at rationing decisions. I don’t think this health care system works. That’s why I’m a believer in a consumer-based medicine, in consumer-based patient-centered reforms health care reforms.”

Asked if he would rule out running for the presidency himself as emphatically as Chris Christie did by threatening to commit suicide, Ryan replied, with a laugh, "I guess I wouldn't talk in suicidal terms."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; romney; zerocare
And the Un-Masking of Mitt Romney, the left-wing, Progressive Liberal, continues . . .
 
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"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792
 
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1 posted on 04/20/2012 2:54:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

MITT ROMNEY IS SATAN'S EVIL TWIN!


2 posted on 04/20/2012 2:56:44 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Hey, thanks. I must have somehow missed the first 8,000 threads you posted about Romney.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 3:04:11 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

God, I’m so sick of this RomneyCare, ObamaCare comparison.

Bottom line:

RomneyCare was legal and what the (Liberal) constituents of Romney’s state wanted.

ObamaCare is ILLEGAL and isn’t wanted by 80% of Americans.

There is NO equivalency here. Move on.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 3:05:00 PM PDT by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012

Go check the OP’s history.

His page is about how evil McCain was.

His posting history is no less than 99% Romney-bashing, often posting the same article multiple times. He has a disturbing obsession and is probably a plant.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 3:09:24 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012
God, I’m so sick of this RomneyCare, ObamaCare comparison.Bottom line:RomneyCare was legal and what the (Liberal) constituents of Romney’s state wanted. ObamaCare is ILLEGAL and isn’t wanted by 80% of Americans. There is NO equivalency here. Move on.

And another important fact is that,like some other states (and unlike others),Massachusetts has an initiative petition process.The only such process we have against OsamaObameCare happens in November of years divisible by 2.

6 posted on 04/20/2012 3:11:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: flintsilver7

Obsession: “The domination of one’s thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea, image, desire, etc.”


7 posted on 04/20/2012 3:16:28 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: flintsilver7
He has a disturbing obsession and is probably a plant.

What type of plant? Potted?

8 posted on 04/20/2012 3:17:44 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: flintsilver7

“He has a disturbing obsession and is probably a plant.”

Good way to put it. His obsession level is so off the charts you gotta assume there’s a hidden agenda.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 3:18:18 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Magic Fingers

Sadly, as I waded through the disturbing mess that is his posting history, it looks like others were put off by his obsession months ago. It’s only gotten worse since then.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 3:18:20 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Well, if his page was dedicated to encouraging people not to vote for McCain in 2008 and his current posting is nothing other than encouraging people not to vote for Romney in 2012, what kind of plant do you think he might be?


11 posted on 04/20/2012 3:20:20 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Starboard

If he really is a conservative, he needs help.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 3:21:01 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ron Paul!

Right?


13 posted on 04/20/2012 3:23:26 PM PDT by OlagJohnson
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To: flintsilver7

I would guess a pot plant.


14 posted on 04/20/2012 3:26:16 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ObamaMustGo2012
RomneyCare was legal and what the (Liberal) constituents of Romney’s state wanted.

Abortion is legal and a lot of people want it. Does that make it a good thing?

15 posted on 04/20/2012 3:28:57 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: flintsilver7; Gay State Conservative; Starboard; ObamaMustGo2012
Sadly, as I waded through the disturbing mess that is his posting history, it looks like others were put off by his obsession months ago. It’s only gotten worse since then.

I see the usual Romney supporters were smoked out by this latest post of mine.

If I'm a plant, what does that make all of you willing to ignore Jim's directive concerning promoting Romney on his site?

Furthmore, why does posting the truth about Romney bother you so? He's your boy, you support him, you own him and his record.

Finally, why, when there are 46% of the remaining delegates to be won, are you promoting a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal on our site that is devoted to the promotion of conservative principles and also devoted to the defeat of the lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberals like Mitt Romney?

If you were sincere in your conservative principles, given that there were still 46% of the delegates still to be won in the GOP Primaries, then the last thing you would do is even whisper support for somebody whose record confirms everything I have been saying, that he is a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal. This is doubly so since there still is a conservative in the race, Newt Gingrich.

Concerning the charges of obsession, maybe you should look at your own posting histories supporting Romney before you start accusing other posters. Kind of like the Pot calling the kettle black.

A short list showing how Mitt's record compares quite nicely(or horribly depending on your perspective) to Obama while Newt's record diverges almost completely, as a real conservative would.


16 posted on 04/20/2012 3:30:19 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: OlagJohnson
Ron Paul!

Right?


Do you think Ron Paul effectively reflects conservatism?

The answer should be obvious to anyone truly conservative: The only viable conservative still in the race is Newt Gingrich.
17 posted on 04/20/2012 3:31:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: ObamaMustGo2012
RomneyCare was legal and what the (Liberal) constituents of Romney’s state wanted.

ObamaCare is ILLEGAL and isn’t wanted by 80% of Americans.

There is NO equivalency here. Move on.


I can see why you support Mitt Romney, you have the same political mind-set.

Both ObamaCare and Romney care are perfect examples of Socialized Medicine.

Both have individual Mandates.

Both force taxpayers with insurance to pay for the insurance of others.

Both have ways of determining appropriate care.

In short, both are a no-go on a conservative website like FreeRepublic.

Whether they are implemented at the state or federal level is immaterial to the discussion of conservative principles because given the comparisons above, fundamentally, they are anti-thetical to conservative principles.

In short, if something is evil, even if it passes the 10th Amendment muster, it's still evil.
18 posted on 04/20/2012 3:39:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: flintsilver7
Hey, thanks. I must have somehow missed the first 8,000 threads you posted about Romney.

Get Used to it, as long as Romney is in the race, articles showing the truth of Romney's lying, left-wing, progressive record will be posted.
19 posted on 04/20/2012 3:40:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Gay State Conservative

lol.

Apparently its okay when an R does it.

That is literally the ONLY difference these days I guess.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 3:57:51 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Get Used to it, as long as Romney is in the race, articles showing the truth of Romney’s lying, left-wing, progressive record will be posted.”

Good.


21 posted on 04/20/2012 3:59:29 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: CharacterCounts

[ Abortion is legal and a lot of people want it. Does that make it a good thing? ]

Obama is Americas punishment for abortion..
Romney is the republicans punishment for allowing Mclaim to take a “dive”.. in 2008..

Democrat control of anything is a punishment..
RINOs are democrats at a costume party.. and are punishment for republican cowardice..


22 posted on 04/20/2012 3:59:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: flintsilver7; SoConPubbie
His posting history is no less than 99% Romney-bashing, often posting the same article multiple times. He has a disturbing obsession and is probably a plant.

LOL. You betcha. /s

SoConPubbie, an original member of Sarah Palin's Original Ping List, is a plant.

Sheeesh.

23 posted on 04/20/2012 4:16:32 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx

Thanks Onyx


24 posted on 04/20/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: GeronL
Apparently its okay when an R does it.

No,I wouldn't say it's "OK".However,tell me...

HAVE YOU EVER SET FOOT IN MASSACHUSETTS,LET ALONE LIVED HERE?

I'll bet the answer to both questions is "no",in which case you don't have the first clue how,or why,Romney Care came to be.Therefore your opinions on it (as opposed to your opinions on OsamaObamaCare) are worth about as much as are your opinions about brain surgery.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 4:32:34 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I know how it came to be.

The same way ObamaCare came to be.

Lies, deceit, gov solutions to problems created by gov which end up being worse than the original problem.

Same old, same old


26 posted on 04/20/2012 4:48:16 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.


27 posted on 04/20/2012 5:19:35 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: SoConPubbie

Of course, if the Supreme Court rules against ObamaCare, then this issue becomes moot.


28 posted on 04/21/2012 12:04:11 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: SoConPubbie

<< I can see why you support Mitt Romney, you have the same political mind-set. >>

I most certainly do NOT support Mitt Romney. That’s an idiotic assumption on your part. There is nothing that I wrote that would even suggest that.


29 posted on 04/21/2012 2:09:14 AM PDT by ObamaMustGo2012 (Obama Must Go In 2012)
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