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Summary Box: Disney studio chief quits after bombs
AP ^ | April 20, 2012 | AP

Posted on 04/20/2012 7:28:46 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer

DISNEY DEPARTURE: Rich Ross quit as Disney's studio head on Friday, a move seen as taking responsibility for at least a couple of write-offs that include a $200 million loss on "John Carter."

BIG-BUDGET AVERSION: The move comes as Disney looks to trim what it spends on movies. Although Ross helped restructure and cut costs, some big-bet movies still bombed.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: disney; johncarter; richross
It was rumored even before John Carter came out that the film would bring down Rich Ross. And it did.
1 posted on 04/20/2012 7:28:51 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

How much money would Star Wars had made if the movie was titled “Luke Skywalker”?


2 posted on 04/20/2012 7:30:54 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

Or even “A New Hope.”


3 posted on 04/20/2012 7:32:53 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards.)
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To: dfwgator

“Terminator” or “John Connor’s Parents”?


4 posted on 04/20/2012 7:33:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Perdogg; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Vince Ferrer.

Has anyone seen “John Carter”? I used to read fiction, and enjoyed a number of the John Carter of Mars series from Edgar Rice Burroughs. The late P.J. Farmer noted that any writer who can create the most widely recognized character in literature (Tarzan) should not be given the brush-off. He said it better than I just did. :’)


5 posted on 04/20/2012 7:35:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dfwgator

“Titanic” or “Jack Dawson”?


6 posted on 04/20/2012 7:35:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: SunkenCiv

Has anyone seen “John Carter”?

***

Yes. It was a pretty good film. My friend said the same, and he’s 28 years older.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 7:38:13 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Raiders of the Lost Ark” or “Indiana Jones”?


8 posted on 04/20/2012 7:39:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Some people explained this last moth, but how can a movie that takes in $270,000,000 lose money and be a flop?


9 posted on 04/20/2012 7:42:07 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: dfwgator

Re-name and re-lease disney! I saw it, it was pretty good. They should make the whole series of books.

I cann’t believe a company as smart as Disney could screw up marketing something that good.

I should be able to pick up the DVD in the bargain bin for $1 in 10 years.


10 posted on 04/20/2012 7:42:27 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: ROTB

That’s how I felt about “Master and Commander”, it’s a shame that it didn’t do well enough to warrant making sequels for it.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 7:44:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I read a few John Carter books when I was a boy. Whoever figured that story would do well in this day and age should not be in the movie business.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 7:46:10 PM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Vince Ferrer

Was this guy also responsible for “Mars Needs Moms”??


13 posted on 04/20/2012 7:46:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: morphing libertarian

When it costs $350 Million


14 posted on 04/20/2012 7:47:27 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Flop or not, I’m looking forward to seeing “John Carter” when I get around to it. :)


15 posted on 04/20/2012 7:52:26 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: morphing libertarian
The exhibitor gets around 30%, leaves $190 million.
Then just printing and distributing 4000 theatre prints takes another $M40. So at best the producer gets 150M for his expenditure of 200M.
16 posted on 04/20/2012 7:53:16 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I get it now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKBRtdp2e98


17 posted on 04/20/2012 7:57:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Julius, Grab the Girl” or “Julius Caesar”?


18 posted on 04/20/2012 7:57:34 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There was a thread about it here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2857684/posts


19 posted on 04/20/2012 7:57:43 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Radix

Avatar was practically the same story as John Carter and look how well that did. It’s all in the execution.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 8:00:30 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: GeronL
Was this guy also responsible for “Mars Needs Moms”??

I think so.

21 posted on 04/20/2012 8:07:35 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: morphing libertarian

When marketing alone cost that much.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 8:09:18 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Vince Ferrer

So this guy is actually responsible for 2 of the biggest “money-losing” movies of all time in the same year, why shouldn’t he be fired?

What other big bombs did he have a hand in? lol


23 posted on 04/20/2012 8:16:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Andrew Stanton is the guy who really did this movie though, I think. Has he been let go? lol.

Apparently this film did well in Russia of all places.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 8:21:44 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Vince Ferrer

If they had any new ideas or creativity left, they could make good movies on $50 Million. Imagine making 7 good original movies with actual stories for the same price as this behemoth?


25 posted on 04/20/2012 8:24:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dfwgator

Same here.....


26 posted on 04/20/2012 8:24:42 PM PDT by yadent
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To: dfwgator

***“Raiders of the Lost Ark” or “Indiana Jones”?***

Anyone remember the spoof TENNESSEE BUCK!


27 posted on 04/20/2012 8:29:16 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: ctdonath2

Disney lost it’s unique awe inspiring spark when it went left. Used to be when they put out a movie families would be storming the gates to see it. Now you don’t know what you are going to get. They “progressed.”


28 posted on 04/20/2012 8:29:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: GeronL

“Was this guy also responsible for “Mars Needs Moms”??”

It was my understanding that the reason Mars was left off of the title of the latest bomb was because that movie left them with an aversion to Mars.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 8:37:54 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

So... Disney is run by morons?

“Mars needs Moms” is a stupid title... not because of the “Mars”. It was marketed toward boys and who among them wants to see a movie about moms?


30 posted on 04/20/2012 8:42:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dfwgator
“Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs” or “The Wizard of OZ”
31 posted on 04/20/2012 8:55:49 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: Vince Ferrer

“John Carter” was a stupid name for a movie

“Hey, I’m going to see John Carter.”
“Who’s that - your insurance agent?”

I saw it - it was OK - had flashes of ‘Flash Gordon’ from the 80’s...but still was OK.

Disney made it? Well, that’s just weird....


32 posted on 04/20/2012 9:10:23 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Vince Ferrer
A little off topic but Hollywood apparently isn't interested in my money.

Two major turn-offs to Hollywood films for me is preachy, left wing sermonettes and over-the-top special effects that defy all laws of physics.

Hollywood can't seem to function without one or the other and all two often both.

33 posted on 04/20/2012 9:26:22 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: dfwgator

Or what if “Jaws” had been called, “People in Coastal Massachusetts Get Eaten by Big Ass Shark.”


34 posted on 04/20/2012 9:26:53 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I saw it three times. I’m waiting for it to come out on disc now.


35 posted on 04/20/2012 9:29:44 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

In the last depression, people just had to come up with a nickle to see a movie and forget about their troubles. Take a date to a movie now, and your looking at over $50 bucks with popcorn, candy and drinks. How many times do you do that a year when you arn’t working?


36 posted on 04/20/2012 10:44:23 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: SunkenCiv

I saw it and enjoyed it a lot. The title is what put people off. Most didn’t know what it was about. I plan to buy it on blue ray when it comes out.


38 posted on 04/21/2012 2:39:25 AM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: morphing libertarian
I haven't been on IMDB to check out the financials, but I had heard this movie cost at least $270m, and that was before the infamous "P&A" (prints and advertising, which can double a studio production budget.

Still, having read the John Carter books, I was looking forward to this one. I haven't seen it---the only movie I've seen in a theater in the last year was "Act of Valor"---but I do watch 2-3 movies a week on netflix, DirectTV, or whatever. ("Iron Lady" was a stunningly average movie to have such an astonishingly great performance by Meryl Streep). Anyway, I was waiting for "John Carter" to come out on home video.

THE audience for theatrical releases today is two groups: boys 16-24, and teenage girls. (It surprised me to learn that the #1 audience for horror/slasher movies is teenage girls!) "John Carter" was not, apparently, properly targeted to those groups, possibly because the lead actor was too old and/or not well known.

39 posted on 04/21/2012 6:03:51 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: packrat35

Thanks, I want to find it on Imax first. :’)


40 posted on 04/21/2012 7:07:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Enterprise; ROTB; JediJones

Thanks!


41 posted on 04/21/2012 7:09:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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