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Montana's Governor Schweitzer(D): "Romney’s father from ‘polygamy commune’ in Mexico"
Helena Independent Record ^ | 4.21.12 | Mike Dennison

Posted on 04/21/2012 4:44:33 PM PDT by tuckrdout

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To: RedMonqey
"So an Quaker is illegitimate candidate for president as well?"

Sure, don't you remember President McGovern?

251 posted on 04/22/2012 5:39:20 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: svcw

Clinton, Carter and Gore all had reasons for changing their minds, those are not flip flops...
252 posted on 04/22/2012 5:41:54 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

O....K.....for what?


253 posted on 04/22/2012 5:44:24 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Brown Deer

Try and keep up


254 posted on 04/22/2012 5:46:07 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: StAnDeliver

Richard Nixon was Quaker.


255 posted on 04/22/2012 5:46:16 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: kalee

That was my point.


256 posted on 04/22/2012 5:59:00 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: This I Wonder32460; ansel12
Oh for goodness sake, I’d take Mormonism over Islamism any day.

Fortunately, for all of us, those are not the only two options available. Just like in the upcoming election, if Romney is the nominee, our only two options won't be Romney or Obama.

How about, would I vote for a conservative of the Jewish faith?

In a heart beat! As long as he/she didn't make the claim that Jews are the only true Christians, as Mitt's religion claims to be.

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Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.

257 posted on 04/22/2012 6:00:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: svcw
Clinton, Carter and Gore all had reasons for changing their minds, those are not flip flops, Romney is a flipping liar.

Talk about lying and pimping for liars(making excuses for these losers), you could lose your amateur status if you could find someone dumb enough to pay you for your prejudice...

All I'm doing is a arguing against religious bigotry, not support of a candidate.
258 posted on 04/22/2012 6:12:54 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: RedMonqey

Oh, I get religious bigotry that you are arguing for, you support mormonism which at its foundation is anti-Christian.
pssst It was you who brought up the other former candidates, not me.
This is about Romney, he is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it, learn about mormonism and you know Romney.


259 posted on 04/22/2012 6:23:20 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
Try and keep up

Yes, please do. So, what's your point? I'm still waiting...
260 posted on 04/22/2012 6:25:15 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: svcw
Romney is a liberal because of his mormonism, try and keep up.

So Utah, with 60 percent Mormon population, shouldn't be the one of the most reliable conservative states because Mormons are liberals???

Care to explain that conundrum?

Because that's one of the most idiotic statements on this or any other forums.



261 posted on 04/22/2012 6:29:53 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Why should it have been the responsibility of "Mormon leaders" to "break up" civil arrangements?

(It wasn't...you're the one claiming 1890 was some kind of magical absolute ban across the board...I'm simply pointing out, "No, it wasn't"

To declare, boldly, that "Mormons believe" this or that, is to paint with much too broad of a brush, in my opinion.

OK...then OFFICIAL Mormonism teaches...(how's that for you?)

262 posted on 04/22/2012 6:35:59 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
Mormons, themselves, are probably the best arbiter of this matter. Here is a bit from a Mormon website, as regarding the matter at hand: "President Gordon B. Hinckley, prior president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made the following statement in 1998 about the Church's position on plural marriage:

(Yup...just like used car dealers re: the lemons on their lot)

263 posted on 04/22/2012 6:37:19 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: RedMonqey

“Because that’s one of the most idiotic statements on this or any other forums.”

Stay tuned. Records are made to be broken.


264 posted on 04/22/2012 6:41:44 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: RedMonqey

Ok, Monkey apparently you know nothing about mormonism. mormonism is not as conservative as the PR machine wants you to think. Seriously you need to learn what mormonism is before your defend it.


265 posted on 04/22/2012 6:47:31 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Didn’t think you knew what you were talking about.


266 posted on 04/22/2012 6:55:15 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Ok, Dear apparently you know nothing about mormonism. mormonism is not as conservative as the PR machine wants you to think. Seriously you need to learn what mormonism is before your defend it.


267 posted on 04/22/2012 7:08:01 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

oh dear, apparently you just can’t keep up, can you?


268 posted on 04/22/2012 7:12:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Seriously you need to learn what mormonism is before your defend it.

Seriously, when have I ever defended Mormonism? Please show me just one single post in my many thousands here, where I have once defended Mormonism!
269 posted on 04/22/2012 7:15:06 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Oh, honey. I decided to see who you are and read some of your past comments. Seems that the best thing for all who read your “comments” is to ignore you.
So here goes - ignored!


270 posted on 04/22/2012 7:17:08 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

LMAO @ the moron who can’t even explain his ignorant statements.


271 posted on 04/22/2012 7:23:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: svcw

Obviously couldn’t find one could you, Romneybot?


272 posted on 04/22/2012 7:25:40 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: svcw
...you support mormonism which at its foundation is anti-Christian.

Mister, it's YOU that's slinging unfounded accusations that makes you look like a ass. I don't mind a vigorous debate but I draw the line to insults. Search through my post history and I dare you to come with anything that says I'm a Mormon or Anti-Christian.

Maybe UN Christlike behavior, because I don't turn the other cheek to fools and people who knowing spread lies as if it was the truth.
You don't know ANYTHING about my religious views yet YOU willingly BEARING FALSE WITNESS, calling me anti-Christian without knowledge of who I am. IF anyone here is anti-Christian, just look in the mirror.

I've defended many religions of which I'm not a member. Because I know there are real hostile forces out there fighting against people of religious convictions. They would love nothing more than to have us fighting among ourselves while they kick faith to the curbside

So continue playing the Moook for them. In the end it will only help them win.

As for other former candidates...You claimed Romney's religion made him a flipfloper so I asked; Did other pols religion make them act as well? A fair question to ask. Since it's your theory, not mine. I believe it was the lack of convictions and their willingness to appease certain voter blocks, not religion.


Keep bringing up straw-men and lunging at shadows. Eventually you punch yourself out.
273 posted on 04/22/2012 9:11:04 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: svcw
Ok, Monkey apparently you know nothing about mormonism. mormonism is not as conservative as the PR machine wants you to think.

The Democrats and the GOP sure think so.

They may not be YOUR version of conservatives, but then you label them as "liberals" which would surprise the Hell of out folks at NOW, NAACP, ACLU and GLAAD.

Of course maybe anyone not to the far right of John Birch Society are "pinkos" to some here on this thread...

But what do I know, I'm an "Anti-Christ" according to some people here.
274 posted on 04/22/2012 9:20:27 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: muir_redwoods

So true!


275 posted on 04/22/2012 9:21:23 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: StAnDeliver
That was my point.

I got it.
Thank you.
276 posted on 04/22/2012 9:22:02 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: CountryClassSF

No, Montana does not have a “high” mormon population. Most people follow the religion of “one”, their selves. But, it is mostly Catholic and Lutheran here in the state. The Baptists are making a push here though.


277 posted on 04/22/2012 9:25:39 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: RedMonqey

Never said you were a mormon, I said you were defending mormonism.
I said mormonism is founded on anti-Christian doctrine.
You deny that apparently.
Let me show you then:
“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the “whore of Babylon” whom the Lord denounces.
- Apostle Orson Pratt The Seer, Vol.2, No.4, p.255
[There is] “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190).
“He that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.312).
What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world. (Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270)
“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171)
[There is] “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God” Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
Well, maybe you don’t find objection with the foundation of mormonism, who knows,


278 posted on 04/22/2012 9:26:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
I said mormonism is founded on anti-Christian doctrine. You deny that apparently.

I deny nothing but those who would deny the right of free exercise of one's chosen faith as long as it doesn't use violence.

Whatever doctrines Mormons, Jews, Baptists, Catholics their conscience allows isn't my business unless they try to force it upon me and others.

As for this "whore of Babylon" business. The pope thought of Martin Luther(the original one)was the Anti-Christ and Luther in turn, spoke of the pope as the Anti-Christ as well. So nobodies hands are clean in this "Mine faith is closer to God than thys". So please stop reciting tiresome doctrine to me. I'd say this to preachy Mormons as well. It has inspires no effect but the urge to skip the "cut and paste" lectures.
280 posted on 04/22/2012 10:27:51 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: RedMonqey
So if I published a "tell all book" saying...

lol, probably does
281 posted on 04/22/2012 10:42:41 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: tuckrdout
Needs a fix:

"Romney's father from 'polygamy commune' in Mexico"

Should read:

"Romney's Obama's father from 'polygamy commune' in Mexico Kenya.

You have to wonder about Schweitzer (D-MT), there are a lot of Mormons in Montana, maybe he figures he won't get their vote on the next go-round anyway..

282 posted on 04/23/2012 6:44:29 AM PDT by cookcounty (We need Newt. The Black Belt Jaw-jitsu Master!)
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To: RedMonqey
vomit smiley Pictures, Images and Photos And good bye.
283 posted on 04/23/2012 7:48:21 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: RedMonqey

What a vile little man you are.


284 posted on 04/23/2012 8:04:31 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: RedMonqey; svcw

Jesus was very hard on the Pharisees, accusing them of hypocrisy and of being children of the Devil for their lying ways. The Pharisees also accused Jesus of many heinous things, in particular being a liar. Problem was that factually, Jesus had the better case. For example, why they never proved a lie in Jesus, they demonstrated their own propensity for lying by throwing together that kangaroo court, complete with hastily assembled false witnesses, running a malicious prosecution to get a false conviction. So from your point of view, is there a moral equivalency between Jesus and the Pharisees? Or was one right and the other wrong?

I only ask because your whole argument seems based on the principle of moral equivalency between any two religions. Not that I know anything about where you actually stand. I don’t. But I do know (or I should say believe) that this moral equivalency approach is mainly postmodern hokum designed to attack the belief in truth itself, i.e., the notion that some things are true and the opposite of those things are false. Aristotle’s great gift to logic, the principle of non-contradiction, is a great obstacle to the left’s demographic strategy of eternally warring micro-factions, and it is fought with vigor, and not the least weapon in that fight is the idea that all belief systems are created equal, when in fact they are not.

True, all humans come gifted by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, but their beliefs are subject to peer review and criticism, and voting is a great mechanism for doing just that. For example, Marxism is a discredited belief system, entailing what amounts to religious adherence to a particular view of how the world works, and Obama and company will, hopefully, be roundly critiqued this fall for their bizarre utopian fantasies.

So my question to you is this: Is there a moral equivalency there? Are free markets and Marxist totalitarian/utopian impulses equally defensible? No? Then why not be free to compare any other pair of contrasting, mutually exclusive ideas? Why not be free to express our own beliefs about those ideas at the voting booth? Is your definition of bigotry really so broad it encompasses the free exercise of critical thinking skills?


285 posted on 04/23/2012 8:57:20 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: svcw
Let this be a lesson to you.

You dragged this debate down to a personal level.

Don't accuse me of being a liar and spreading falsehoods about me. I don't take kindly to being called a "liar"

I won't stand for it.
286 posted on 04/23/2012 10:54:06 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: roylene
roylene

Before “svcw’ dragged this debate down to a personal level, it was liviely but civil debate.

He accuse me of being a liar and "of pimping" and started to spread falsehoods about me. I don't take kindly to being called a “liar”

I won't stand for it.

Anyone who starts a fight and hits below the belt shouldn't whine about "dirty fighting"

So kindly keep your opinions to yourself until you know the whole story....

287 posted on 04/23/2012 11:07:37 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
So my question to you is this: Is there a moral equivalency there?

Hard question. I can't judge whether or not there is "moral equivalency" for others but I believe(for me)my faith in the Blood that was shed at Calvary for my sins is greater, has withstood thousands of years, good times and bad. It has lifted me up when I was down and tempered me in times of temptation. I know I am a weak vessel, unworthy of the sacrifice but still I tried to follow His Way.

This is as far I was will comment as my faith is personal, not for public consumption.
288 posted on 04/23/2012 11:42:13 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: RedMonqey; svcw
I read all the posts between the two of you, and not once did svcw call you a liar.

They said "apparently" when making a statement, if you inferred "liar" that is on you.

Regardless, your statement was vile and not worthy of a man who later talks about the cross.

psst svcw is a woman, if that matters to you one way or the other, all you would have had to do is read her profile to know that, apparently not worth the effort.

289 posted on 04/23/2012 11:48:37 AM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Brown Deer
I don't take kindly to being called a “liar”

Living on a farrm, squealing pigs don't bother me but if one bites me I ain't above getting down in the mud and open his throat.

I've done it (literally and figuratively)
and I'll do it again if need arises.

I think certain people know it now....


290 posted on 04/23/2012 11:50:53 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: roylene
Before he made it personal I never directed any insults to him personally.

Here are svcw posts

post# 249

You want to pimp him, be my guest, just stop lying about it.

post# 259
"you support mormonism which at its foundation is anti-Christian."

He's called me "lying", a "pimp" i.e. Mormon, and "unchristian" all because I won't knuckle under and agree with him and others that Romney as unfit to be president because of his(not mine) faith.


You can mince words all day long but where I was raised saying somone is 'pimping' are slanderous insults.
291 posted on 04/23/2012 12:16:49 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: roylene
apparently not worth the effort.

That's right! When a man like her continues to make lame idiotic and false accusations, it's not worth the effort.
293 posted on 04/23/2012 12:59:58 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer; RedMonqey

It might be easier if you stopped using two screen names, you are beginning to mix up your thoughts.
Good bye to you and your alter ego.
The statement was vile no matter how you slice it.


294 posted on 04/23/2012 1:27:40 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: roylene
It might be nice if you stop posting your BS lies here.


295 posted on 04/23/2012 1:58:18 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: roylene
It might be easier if you stopped using two screen names.




Your chastisement would have more meaning if you didn't throw around baseless accusation without shred of proof required.

But now it just rings hollow.

Bearing False Witnesss means nothing to you, does it?

No more sermons from you...
296 posted on 04/23/2012 2:01:07 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Obama’s father was an anti-American Marxist. And a polygamous tribesman from Kenya. Your point then,... Schweitzer(D)?

Great choices we have this November. /s

297 posted on 04/23/2012 2:02:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Why not be free to express our own beliefs about those ideas at the voting booth? Is your definition of bigotry really so broad it encompasses the free exercise of critical thinking skills?

One can vote as one likes. Nobody knows how one votes for a candidate once the the voting booth's curtains closes .

But as I have said before there are many reasons why(as an conservative) one would choose not to cast a ballot in his favor.(His flip-flopping stances on abortion, gun control, taxes, homosexuality and same sex marriages)

Some are actually against Mormon teaching as I understand them.

Unless there is some super secret plan for Mormons to take over the government and make everyone Mormons at gunpoint, voting against him just because of his religion is in fact, the classic definition of bigotry.

Just as there people on the Left who won't vote him, or any Baptist, Methodist or any other true believing Christians, just because of anti-Christian bigotry.
298 posted on 04/23/2012 2:38:07 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: RedMonqey
Seems to have a habit of lying...

Do not call me a liar again-ever.

Maybe them two are the ones with the alter ego. ;-)
299 posted on 04/23/2012 2:40:38 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Do not call me a liar again-ever.

Wow!!!

Hypocrisy. Thy name is roylene


Hypocrites certainly have an "unnatural attraction" to mormoms.
Thanks you the ping.
300 posted on 04/23/2012 4:00:05 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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