Skip to comments.I WANT THE ARCH ENEMY OF THE LEFT IN THE WHITE HOUSE! PERIOD!
Posted on 04/21/2012 5:15:22 PM PDT by No!
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Try this exercise, stop defending Romney, just refuse to post about Romney in any way, unless it is absolutely negative, (not fake, concern troll negative), and see how your post count drops.
Try that for 3 months or so, it should be easy for someone who does not like Romney.
Really? freerepublic needs to explain that to YOU???
Why don't you lay into freerepublic, and explain to us why we are wrong and YOU are right?
Explain Romney to us so that will see the light.
If zero gets another term the rino GOP will go down in history as the catalist.
If you BS is true then Romney will not need to spend 1 more dime in the primaries, no more negative ads against Newt, no more from the professional anti Newt punditry right?
If it is over then Newt would be just making an a$$ out of himself continuing his faux campaign. We'll see.
Go sit in your give up corner with the rest of the those who have given in to the meme and talk big about how your all going to some day find a cause to stand for and how great its going to be.
If people would listen to me, I’d tell `em we Tea-Party their Act in Tampa.... Go bang on the door and remind them WHO is the boss in this country. Eagles up, Freepers up, EVERYBODY UP! Grab the torches! Lets go have a talk with these people.
Obama and the socialists cannot stand, and Mitt is halfway in bed with them from all I can see to lie down.
When it becomes radical to want our country to obey the law and operate the way it’s been for 200 years.
Time to get radical then! :)
Besides, I love instigating the occasional riot or two.
Never said the battle for conservatism is over. The battle for Newt is over.
He could’ve beat Obama — but he’ll never face him head-to-head.
You read incorrectly, except insofar as Newt Gingrich’s campaign is not a present battle.
Classy, as always.
There are still primaries to go. I’m sure ads will be run in those states. Romney, as far as I know, has stopped even giving Gingrich lip service on the campaign trial.
Newt is making an ass out of more than just himself.
I still have a cause to stand for. Likely the same as yours.
Newt Gingrich is not a cause. Newt Gingrich is not conservatism. Newt Gingrich is the just politician-of-the-moment from several moments ago. Politicians come and go. Newt is gone.
The Conservatism Battle may not be over and but there will always be many around still fighting,
I personally gave up on the RNC and their RINOs to achieve any Conservative goals.
My eyes saw the Bushs, who conned me, give us evening tide. Then McCain gave us Twilight. Now we will be given Sundown.
During the coming night I shall PREPARE for a new day!
God Bless The U.S.A.
This sentence makes no sense.....
Why do you say the battle for Newt is over? Especially considering that Newt’s immediate goal is not even to win the candidacy, but to keep ROMNEY from winning the candidacy by keeping him from getting half the delegates from here on out. Which is the same goal that Santorum has. If those 2 candidates pressed on with their goal, why is that battle “over”, as you claim?
How do you propose the battle for conservatism be fought if the best we can do is Romney as our candidate - he who Soros can manipulate simply by running a critical article in the news media (like they did with the Boston Globe - and within one day Mitt Romney had turned Massachusetts over to government-coerced abortion)?
Also, are you familiar with the whole concept of demoralization?
From my perspective youre not standing FOR anything at all. Joining the Mitbots surely isnt something Im going to join you in.
>>Likely the same as yours.<<
Not even close. I havent fallen for the meme of the GOPe and will not be supporting them in supporting Romney at any time now or in the future.
If you were to join the “Mittbots”, you wouldn’t find me with you. Like I said ... same cause. I’m simply a conservative that recognizes that Newt is done.
“Hes (Romney) our certain nominee. “
Please define “our”.
Who is the “we” that Romney is “our ...nominee”?
I’m familiar with the concept of demoralization, and with the concept of denial.
Those two candidates are the reason we are stuck with Mitt. Had one or the other dropped out early enough for the other to win, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Their pride split the conservative vote, and gave Mitt just the opening he needed.
LOL! He’d have to stop talking altogether.
Easy enough. Never defended Romney in the first place.
We are not stuck with Mitt. The only way we are stuck with Mitt is if people give up right now, rather than winning the last half of the primary season for conservatives.
If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, why even be in it? The one who offers only the taunts of “It’s too late” and “It’s your fault and there is no redemption possible” is the one who first posed on the earth as a snake, SnakeDoctor.
It’s not too late, and the people who want us to think so - who want us to be b!tching about the other guy always being the problem so we’re divided and fighting each other.... are those who are out to DEMORALIZE, to KILL, to keep us from being ABLE to be effective.
This is not over and you’ve presented nothing to show that it is. All you present is a hiss in the ears saying, “Give up. Your allies have betrayed you.”
You really need to watch “The Lord of the Rings”. There are SO many points of reference I could use here. Eowyn’s “Your words are poison!”, Theoden’s, “Where was Gondor...”, Galadriel’s “The quest stands on the edge of a knife...”, Gimli’s “And I suppose you think you’re the one to do it. Never trust an elf!”
What we need is Sam Gamgee’s “I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you!”
We need Aragorn’s “The day may come when the courage of men fails... but it is not this day! This day we fight!”
We need Aragorn’s “For Frodo!”
And we need Frodo’s, “I want to hear about Sam. Frodo wouldn’t have got far without Sam.”
Aragorn’s “If by my life or my death I can help you, I will. I pledge you my sword”. Legolas’ “And you have my bow.” And Gimli’s “And my axe”.
This is what we need right now. Not friendly fire and demoralization.
Sorry, Duncan Hunter is retired.
From my perspective you are a weak conservative who has given up.
We are stuck with Mitt. We are also stuck with a significant number of conservatives in denial about being stuck with Mitt. Two strikes. Hopefully, those conservatives will catch up with reality in weeks, rather than months.
Reality is always more constructive than denial. Better to move on to Plan B than to spend further time and energy on a failed Plan A. Plenty of letters left in the alphabet.
I’ve given up nothing. All my principles were not tied to Newt.
Your perspective is taken for what its worth.
If Newt had a chance, he’d be a lot better than Romney.
And this may surprise some people but Newt is not the greatest conservative or the greatest guy. He’s not even trustworthy. He would be better than romney. So are a lot of other people that are not going to be the nominee.
At this point we need to fight Romney and hope for at the very least a strong CONSERVSTIVE veep. Then fight Obama.
And we need to start a new party toute suite. No more RINO party. It has left us.
It’s NOT over.
Newt Trails Obama by Only 7 Points in Latest Rasmussen Tracking Poll (or It’s Not Over Yet).
Vanity | April 21, 2012 | True Believer
Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 8:08:35 PM by true believer forever
In the lastest Rasmussen tracking poll, which has had no media coverage, Newt Gingrich is trailing Barack Obama by only 7 points nationally. Barack Obama is leading Mitt Romney by only 5 points in Florida. These poll results are being withheld by the RNC and the MSM, who want no positive news about Newt in circulation, especially the fact he is only behind Obama by 7 points nationally.
The RNC establishments current strategy remains: Publish no poll numbers; spread the word that Romney is the nominee; have people vote based on blackout and misinformation expecting Romney to win big; then hit hard with Romneys wins and Newts losses to bully Newt into dropping.
Please do yourself the honor of reviewing actual polls by doing a Google search for 2012 Republican presidential polls (name state) and you will see why the RNC is using this tactic. Then spread the word!
Obama with the dem-media complex, millions of dollars, sycophants everywhere in the media, versus Mitt Romney with the entire conservative media capitulated behind him, his millions, and NEWTON LEROY GINGRICH is only 7 points behind Obama in the lastest Rasmussen tracking?
Arguing from the future. tsk tsk.
Unless you’re Nostradamus, it means naught.
You refuse to give any reasons. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Talking to you makes as much sense as doing the “Yes, you did”, “No, I didn’t”, “Yes, you did”, “No, I didn’t”..... (etc ad nauseum) routine.
You say it’s over because you say it’s over, and nothing will break through your circular argument.
Argue with yourself; that’s apparently all you’re willing to listen to anyway.
Newt Gingrich has 140 delegates so far. If he loses 49 more delegates, he is officially mathematically eliminated. To win, he has to win 1004 out of 1053 remaining delegates. That’s 95%. Its over for Newt.
Romney has 656 delegates — and New England hasn’t even voted yet. NY, Penn, RI, Delaware are this week. NY (95 delegates) and Connecticut (28 delegates) become winner-take-all if Romney breaks 50% (which he will). Delaware (17 delegates) is winner take all.
Those three will put Romney at 796 by themselves. Tuesday should put Romney at or above 900 delegates.
After Tuesday, California (WTA, 172 delegates), New Jersey (WTA, 50 delegates) and Utah (WTA, 40 delegates), still won’t have happened. That’s another 262 right there.
Just those winner-take-all States (NY, Conn, Delaware, NJ, CA, Utah) that are sure-thing Romney wins will put Romney at 1058 of 1144. He’ll get more than enough votes in the proportional states to make up the 86 remaining delegates he needs.
Its over because its over. Not magic. Just math. There is no path to victory for Newt, and no way Romney won’t get to 1144.
It’s not over....
Get OUT of our way!
There are plenty of us that see that what we are getting with Obama we are STILL gonna get with Mitt in charge. It just might take longer, maybe...
As for me, I am willing to risk my money and FIGHT for what Newt has planned. Can he do it all? NO, and he has SAID so! Only We The People can get this job done.
So like I said Give up now if you are so inclined but get out of our way!
I can’t say it better than this:
How did you calculate Romney’s current delegates? Bound/unbound? Proportional for states which are required to be proportional?
NY and CT become winner-take-all if Romney EVER breaks 50%, or if he’s at 50% when their election takes place?
Are there no pro-life Republicans in the states that you say are sure-fire Romney wins? None of them who realize that Romneycare will be a millstone around our neck in November, and that suppression of the conservative vote is electoral catastrophe not only for the Presidential election but also for down-ballot elections? No CAtholics, for heaven’s sake?
You’re assuming that Romney will win every winner-take-all state and that he will get enough to pass 50% WITHOUT COUNTING NY and CT’s states as WTA so that NY and CT will become WTA.
IOW, you are giving the best-case scenario for Romney as if it’s a given.
In reality, even if Romney takes all the WTA states, Romney would have to get from middle America 86 delegates PLUS whatever proportional votes Newt gets in NY and CT in order to pass 50% and thus get all of NY and CT’s delegates.
And all the unbound delegates would have to stay with Romney.
If the number of delegates you gave for Romney is the number that the GOP-e has claimed Romney has (based on law-breaking by the GOP-e and not based on the actual law) then the hurdle for Romney is even larger.
What you’ve presented is where everything falls for Romney, and you’re presenting it as if it is inevitable. I don’t believe that it is.
Got the numbers from RCP.
You can parse State-by-State if you’d like. Its a foregone conclusion at this point, though. Those WTA States couldn’t have been any better for Romney if they were hand-picked. Rockefeller Republicans in the Northeast, California Republicans, and Mormon Republicans in Utah. You foresee anybody else winning those States? Gingrich gonna take Utah or NY?
The numbers are what they are. Even if I’m seeing one State here or there wrong ... there’s more than enough leftover delegates in the proportional States to make up for it. Numbers are overwhelming. Its over.
Wishing it were different won’t make it so.
That uses all the best numbers for Romney. It includes unbound delegates and considers that FL is WTA (so Romney got all 50 delegates) but that SC wasn’t (which gives Romney 2 delegates that would have been Gingrich’s if RCP had been internally consistent in making all pre-April primaries WTA).
IOW, what you’ve presented is absolutely the best-case scenario for Romney. Which you’re presenting as inevitable.
Now I know better why Romney had to buy the “pro-life” groups. He knows he’s vulnerable. Well, this chick is going to fight back against the “pro-life” groups. Going to expose them for what they are: prostitutes.
If the “Rockefeller Republicans” were such a sure bet for Romney, then why did the VA GOP-e have to screw everybody but Romney and Ron Paul, to keep them off the ballot by changing the rules for petitions mid-stream? Why did they have to screw around with Maine’s votes? The criminality by the GOP-e reveals that they know this isn’t a shoe-in for Romney.
Interesting article but I don’t agree with all of it. However I agree with the premise. If the premise is that the presumptive nominee, idiot Romney, is a loser and a liar and not the best replacement for Obama or an adequate challenger to Obama and will abandon conservatives and be worse than McCain.
But the reason why Romney is leading and only Gingrich is left, even though Santorum has not released delegates, is because democrat states with democrat-republicans and open primaries went for idiot Romney in droves and then to top it off the GOP cheated in Virginia and Missouri to help Romney. And Gingrich is vowing to oppose Romney to Tampa, which is one thing I like about Gingrich.
But thwn one has to note that a divisive tea party/ conservative base helped end Bachmann’s campaign, killed off Perry too, and turned on Cain. But you have to understand the base was split on candidates from the first day. So they are unable to unify with one candidate.
The author Tamara Heater is too pro Newt to understand the critiques against Newt by conservatives like Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin. The Newt of the past several months was much better than the Newt of the past. But the past shows us a Newt that was with a mixed record. Cut, Cap and Balance was on his highlights. Supporting an Individual Mandate was one of his lowlights. He wants a sort of Amnesty Bill of his own. He came up with a plan he has touted a while. But really got press when he brought it up at one of the early debates. However, he is right on the Supreme Courts.
Thus I still remain 50/50 on him. He is the last one left and I could support him though. But I am already on to figuring out what to do next.
I don’t dislike Newt. Agreed with him on various points he made this cycle. But to me Bachmann, Cain and Santorum were a bit better to me. There is enough out there about Newt to leave me confused and holding my nose.
But I get the point. However if it is trying to make Newt out to the best choice period out of the entire field that ran as opposed to the only choice left now and the last chance to rally around somebody better than Mitt, then I disagree.
I’ll agree he is much better than Romney.
Unfortunately, that’s best case scenario for Gingrich. Gingrich won’t win NY, Del, Conn, NJ, Cali or Utah. Those are in Romney country. No chance.
Three of those (NY, Del, Conn) will be done by the end of this week. There’s only two people left in the race — which is why Romney will get 50%+ in NY and Conn.
If we assume Gingrich wins the rest (Penn, Missouri, NC, RI, Indiana, W.Virginia, Nebraska, Oregon, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, South Dakota, Montana, and Nebraska) ... those are almost all proportional States.
If Romney even takes 25% of the votes there, with the other 75% going to Gingrich, Romney will win in a landslide.
I can’t see Romney not getting to 1144 even under his worst case scenario.
So you’re saying that NY and CT are WTA unless the winner doesn’t get 50% of the vote in those states.
It’s a 3-way race between Gingrich, Ron Paul, and Romney, and Santorum’s name will still be on the ballots as well.
You’re still not counting for the unbound delegates or the proportional delegation for pre-April contests.
Even if Romney had it in the bag I would have to vote against him and would have to encourage others to vote against him. I’ve already said why. “We have to show the world we weren’t all like him.” There is no way in heck I will ever vote for somebody who supports government-coerced abortion when there is somebody in the race who doesn’t. Never. Never, ever, ever.
If enough people will stand on principle there is still hope.
If not, then the country is already mostly dead and I pretty much invite the Lord to deal with this nation as it deserves. He will give those who don’t deserve it the strength to bear up under the same fate as those who do. Actually, those of us who won’t accept the mark of the beast will graciously be executed before the worst hits, most likely. It’s those who want to negotiate with sharia who will have to suffer under it.
I agree with all of the above and will only add...
We gotta TRY, and if we fail at least I can live with myself in that I did all I..... could.
And yes, there IS hope! :)
Romney does have it in the bag. I will vote against him when the Texas primary rolls around.
My understanding is that the count on RCP takes pre-April proportional primaries into account.
Unpledged RNC delegates are listed at the bottom — they count 31 unpledged delegates for Romney, 2 for Santorum, 4 for Gingrich and 1 for Paul. Not sure how they got to those numbers.
If you vote against him when you can, then bless you for doing that much. If Ron Paul can take away some of the votes in TX then a vote for him will be just as effective as a vote for Newt.
You may be right in what you say. It’s hard not to be discouraged by the math. If Romney is the candidate I’ll be encouraging people to do whatever they can to vote against Obama, so I’ll meet you on the other side of the primary and lock arms however I need to in order to best protect this country.
I think if people realize how much is at stake here they could realize the need to vote for Newt, or even Ron Paul if they are former Hillary supporters or just can’t support Newt. Here is what I posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2875441/posts to show at least some of what is at stake right now:
I have to work today and tomorrow so I can’t man any of Newt’s phone banks, but if anybody can use this letter to forward in e-mails to your lists before tomorrow’s primaries, please do so:
Mitt Romney supports government-coerced abortion. He personally has made the decision to force people to provide abortions even though they believe it to be murder.
Yes, he vetoed Romneycare because it mandated abortion insurance coverage, but in Dec 2005 after his veto was overridden and the Boston Globe printed an article noting that Catholic hospitals would be exempt from providing abortions to rape victims, Romney ordered the Dept of Public Health to force Catholic hospitals to provide abortions. He said his legal counsel had given him a sounder view of what Romneycare meant that this law alone, of all the abortion laws passed in the 30 years since the 1975 conscience law had exempted religious institutions from having to perform abortions against their religious beliefs, nullified the conscience law even though a nullification clause had specifically been rejected by the MA legislature. Romney went further and said he personally believed it was the right thing for Catholic hospitals to commit what they believe to be murder.
Since that time, the regulations now say that the abortifacient morning-after pill must be offered by Catholic hospitals regardless of whether rape is even claimed. In other words, any woman can go to the emergency room of any Catholic hospital in MA and force the staff there to give her an abortion pill, no questions allowed to be asked.
This isnt about rape and it isnt about abortion. There are plenty of secular hospitals that will provide the morning-after pill. This is about forcing every Catholic in this country who puts a dollar bill in the collection plate to commune at the altar of government-established religion that includes abortion. Religious liberty exists no more.
Welcome to China right here in America.
Romney defends Romneycares coerced abortions by pointing out that states are not bound by the US Constitution. First Amendment guarantees of religious liberty dont apply to states. States are free to establish religion and violate religious liberty, as Romney has done in MA.
The chief way that Islamists plan to establish sharia in free countries is by establishing precedents at the more local levels and then using that precedent to force the whole country into sharia Islam forced onto everyone. Romneys claims would allow states to establish sharia.
Vote for Newt Gingrich in the Republican Presidential primary.