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DARPA Finally Released The Results Of Last Year's 13,000-MPH Missile Flight Failure(Video)
Business Insider ^ | April 21, 2012 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 04/22/2012 8:50:03 AM PDT by lbryce

Last August Lockheed Martin, the Air Force, and DARPA tested the Hypersonic Technology Vehicle (HTV-2), which traveled 20 times the speed of sound and could hypothetically deliver a bomb anyplace on the planet inside one hour.

It was a spectacular failure that was much publicized by the press, but no details about what went wrong were made available — until now.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: darpa; htv2; military
May Obama's re-election be as awesome a failure.
1 posted on 04/22/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Someday, DARPA might look into researching and creating camera technology that doesn't involve someone's handheld shaky camera phone, where you can see more than a dot.

I know, it's a crazy thought, but it could happen.

2 posted on 04/22/2012 8:55:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: lbryce

Speedy glider ... for a short time.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 8:55:50 AM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: lbryce
It was a spectacular failure that was much publicized by the press...

The purpose of testing is to weed out problems, and then fix them. This is a concept that is foreign to members of the "press", who salivate at every opportunity to criticize the military in general, and military R&D in particular.

4 posted on 04/22/2012 9:01:00 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: lbryce

Why does DARPA release this news? Why does DARPA show us the shape of this thing??

Maybe they want China to perfect the technology before we figure it out.

Read my tagline!


5 posted on 04/22/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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Fiscally, I can't really see the need for this, we already have such a system to deliver a bomb to anyplace on Earth within 30 minutes that has been available since the late 1950's, the ICBM. We even have SLBM's approaching what ICBM's can do, basically, this is a money waster.

I'm for funding the military and making sure they have the tools we need but we need to make sure they have the stuff they need currently, which in realty, we are cutting where we should not right now. I just think we need to make sure they have what we need down here on Earth and make sure we fund the right tings like missile defense.

Mach 20 bombers may sound impressive but when you think about it, they will most likely wind up being money/time wasters and hanger queens due to the resources, maintenance and logistics they need. Why go that far when we already have ICBM's unless you want to around some sort of treaties, then again, treaties are made to be broken.

Just my opinion though.
6 posted on 04/22/2012 9:06:29 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Noob1999

Why does DARPA release this news? Why does DARPA show us the shape of this thing??

Maybe they want China to perfect the technology before we figure it out.

Read my tagline!


Because no one is looking out for the best interests of the United States any longer.

It’s sad but true. It’s all moving toward the New World Order and all these programs are going to be used to further that agenda.

I’m sad to that’s even a possibility.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 9:07:29 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Fresh Wind

This is technically a poor approach to a problem that doesn’t need solving.

The cowards in the Senate and at State, just don’t want the obvious and workable solution.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 9:13:55 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Nowhere Man
Fiscally, I can't really see the need for this, we already have such a system to deliver a bomb to anyplace on Earth within 30 minutes that has been available since the late 1950's, the ICBM.

And an ICBM launch has a heat signature that can be seen from orbit.

Visualize a hypersonic cruise missile that can be launched from a jet over the ocean, without such a huge heat signature, and which would hit without any advance warning within an hour of launch.

9 posted on 04/22/2012 9:20:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Noob1999
Maybe they want China to perfect the technology before we figure it out...

China wants US taxpayer-based research to perfect the technology before the Chinese actually procure it from us.

10 posted on 04/22/2012 9:20:56 AM PDT by C210N (Go Newt!)
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To: G Larry
Ah, perhaps Rods From God?: "think of a bundle of insulated metal telephone poles, dropped from an exquisitely calculated orbital location and reaching a speed of Mach 10 (over 7,000 mph) by the time they hit Earth."
11 posted on 04/22/2012 9:23:24 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: PapaBear3625

Or hit North Korea from South Korea in 7 seconds... Just because it can do long distance doesn’t mean it has to.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 9:25:37 AM PDT by Daus
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To: lbryce

They learned how to control at vehicle at mach 20. That’s about it.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 9:28:20 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Noob1999
Why does DARPA release this news? Why does DARPA show us the shape of this thing??

Maybe they are showing us just what they want China and others to see to lead them down the wrong path? Disinfo? For all we know, DARPA may be ten years more advanced than what they are showing here.

14 posted on 04/22/2012 9:47:03 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: lbryce

Analysis of Space Shuttle Columbia’s re-entry at 17,000 mph was about as useful as this DARPA’s release.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 9:52:14 AM PDT by swamprebel (Where liberty dwells, there is my country.)
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To: mnehring

You are likely closer than most others.

Even though the Putinistas and ChiComs may think its a fake, they are also paranoid enough to try to develop a defense, thus burning up piles of rubels and rice$, just like Reagan’s Star Wars.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 9:56:56 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: lbryce

May I remind my fellow Freepers of previous elaborate disinformation campaigns where DoD successfully misled our enemies. For example, before the Stealth Fighter was unveiled, Aviation Week magazine routinely published drawings and purported photos of it. When the real bird debuted, it looked nothing like the disinformation.

DoD SHOULD practice such deceptions on our enemies. It is unfortunate that this misleads civilians, but civvies DO NOT HAVE A NEED TO KNOW.

In the current situation, I hope the guys in uniform deceive the commies in the Maladministration along with everyone else. I trust them far more than I do the pols, appointees, and GS.

As for the DARPA “failure” I would ask:

Was this the real bird?

Are we trying to get our enemies to spend enormous sums defending against a program that is vaporware? We did that with Reagan’s SDI. The Russkies were totally flummoxed at the vast arsenal of Star Wars weapons we were researching. Most consisted of briefing charts. Most were totally unfeasible.

Finally, I remember trying to get a USAF scientist to fly his experiment on board the Space Shuttle in 1983. He adamantly refused. He explained: “If I fly the experiment on a sounding rocket and it fails, no one will know. If I fly it on the Shuttle and it fails, I would probably have my funding cut. Getting the reliability from 85% to 95% DOUBLES THE PRICE. 85% is the optimal failure rate to get the most results from the smallest budget”.

So there’s some aerospace wisdom for you.


17 posted on 04/22/2012 10:03:29 AM PDT by darth
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To: C210N

Comment #10 by C210N is the accurate statement.
+Cronies of Obama, like American businessman Jeffrey Immelt of General-Electric, are destroying the USA by sending American jobs over to China.
No real-USA jobs = No Taxes = No USA military.
People like >Obama & >Jeffrey Immelt are a greater danger to the USA than Chinese military weapons (based on designs stolen from the USA).


18 posted on 04/22/2012 10:05:26 AM PDT by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista & a member of the NRA)
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To: Fresh Wind

True, R&D is an evolving process.

The Boeing solution is stabilized and prototypes have flown as far back as the late 60’s. LM is testing an unproven design that carries less payload than the Boeing design.

Why go with a more costly, untested and unreliable system?


19 posted on 04/22/2012 10:12:14 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Nowhere Man

“Fiscally, I can’t really see the need for this, we already have such a system to deliver a bomb to anyplace on Earth within 30 minutes that has been available since the late 1950’s, the ICBM. We even have SLBM’s approaching what ICBM’s can do, basically, this is a money waster.”

True, and that is why we are developing these types of weapons—hypersonic strike platforms.

The problem with what you are suggesting, a conventional non-nuclear missile, is the issue of identification and over-flight.

Even though you may launch a conventionally armed ICBM, places like Russia or China, and soon to be others, have no way of knowing if the missile is conventional or nuclear, and given their instability and paranoia, that is a mistake you don’t want to let them make. To them and everyone else, a ballistic missile is a ballistic missile is a ballistic missile.

What to do?

With the hypersonic designs, the missile is new and with a totally different plume (no mistaking it for a nuclear ICBM launch plume).

Moreover, the flight profile is NOT ballistic, it is flown much like a rock skipping across the atmosphere. Whereas an ICBM peaks over 600 miles high, the hypersonic missile peaks a little over 100 miles. No mistaking it for nuke, especially when the heat generated by flying a depressed profile would annihilate a nuclear warhead.

Finally, the hypersonic missile would maneuver to avoid overflight of friendly (or not so friendly) nations, as well as maneuver to the best attack axis. This is something a nuclear ICBM cannot do.

So, as you can see, the new weapon is not going to be confused with a nuke and will allow greater and more timely responses for quick strategic strikes. . . like a strike on a fueling nuclear missile on the launch-pad someplace in Iran or North Korea.

And because a nuke sub would be carrying a mixed load of nukes and conventional missiles, the issue of “is it a nuke or not” would be very real and identification times between a launch and response (or not) would be mere seconds. . .therefore, not a platform or capability that would help clarify the type of missile launch as it would not have the discriminators as described above.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 10:29:14 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Lazamataz

They had some Shuttle tracking cameras at the Cape, but NASA gave them to the muslims on an outreach grant.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 10:59:49 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Muslims tracking cameras?? Who knew?)
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To: lbryce
Last August Lockheed Martin, the Air Force, and DARPA tested the Hypersonic Technology Vehicle (HTV-2), which traveled 20 times the speed of sound and could hypothetically deliver a bomb anyplace on the planet inside one hour.

"We deliver your nuke in 60 minutes or it's free."

22 posted on 04/22/2012 11:06:49 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Nowhere Man
...we already have such a system to deliver a bomb to anyplace on Earth within 30 minutes...

Our ICBM fleet has a maximum range of about 6,500 miles.

The only thing we considered that could reach around the world was the Fractional Orbital Bombardment System, FOBS, and that was stopped for both political and technological reasons.

The only ICBM that was remotely capable of FOBS, if it was heavily modified, was the old Titan II ICBM but the accuracy would have been so bad it would render the threat potential worthless.

23 posted on 04/22/2012 12:55:29 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Nowhere Man
"DARPA Finally Released The Results Of Last Year's 13,000-MPH Missile Flight Failure"

"Fiscally, I can't really see the need for this, we already have such a system to deliver a bomb to anyplace on Earth within 30 minutes that has been available since the late 1950's, the ICBM. We even have SLBM's approaching what ICBM's can do, basically, this is a money waster. I'm for funding the military and making sure they have the tools we need but we need to make sure they have the stuff they need currently, which in realty, we are cutting where we should not right now."

Where to begin to answer your sincere but incorrect post:

1) Using a Minuteman to deliver a 500-lb bomb is like using a grenade launcher to kill a flea. Too much.

2) Cost -- Minuteman missiles are very expensive. DARPA is looking for an inexpensive way to deliver something awfully quickly.

3) Minuteman missiles technically do not cover the globe. They only cover the northern hemisphere, and primarily the former Soviet Union. If we wanted to drop a 500-lb bomb on a raghead in Somalia, don't think we could do it with a Minuteman.

4) Detectability and MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) -- there is no way we could convince the Russians that a Minuteman launch would not be a threat to them. They have satellites that will detect a Minuteman launch within seconds, like us, and their presumption was, and still is, that such a launch is potentially a mortal threat to their nation. A small launch vehicle from a non-Minuteman site, too small to carry a nuke, would remove this element of concern. Can't have the Russians going to their equivalent of Defcon 1 just because we decided to take out a bad guy.

5) The DARPA hypersonic craft is an essential complement to our wired military and instant global military awareness. But suppose we see the next Bin Laden leaving a tent, or hear his voice, in a country that is 3,000 miles from the nearest US base. It would take us 5-15 hours, while hurrying, to get a plane or cruise missile airborne. Cost a lot, too. With a launch capability like the DARPA craft, no problem. What use is it to see Bin Laden the moment he sticks his head outside the tent (via satellite), but have no ability to kill him for 8 hours?

With the DARPA device he's dead within 30 minutes NO MATTER WHERE THE BLOODY H-LL HE IS. In reality, this device would save us a boatload of money because we would kill bad guys sooner.

6) Accuracy -- I expect that the DARPA hypersonic delivery vehicle would have accuracy like today's guided ordnance. Couldn't get that out of a Minuteman. We can drop a smart bomb down a chimney but the Minuteman's accuracy is not nearly as good (it's classified).

Sorry for the long answer but I want to assure you that this device is sorely needed and will have an absolutely fantastic deterrent effect, if the bad guys know that there is nowhere on earth where they are safe.

24 posted on 04/22/2012 3:56:45 PM PDT by tom h
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OK, yuns convinced me. I guess if we had to, we could load this missile up on a B-52 and launch it to wherever it needs to go. Hopefully, we can get it to work plus I hope it avoids Bammy’s cuts.


25 posted on 04/22/2012 6:26:00 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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