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Introducing the $60, 20-year light bulb ("Going Green" still "Going Ridiculous")
cbs ^ | 4/18/2012 | ap

Posted on 04/22/2012 8:59:47 AM PDT by tobyhill

How much would you pay for an amazing, state-of-the-art light bulb? Shoppers will be asking themselves that very question at Home Depot and other outlets starting Sunday — Earth Day — when the bulb that won a $10 million government contest goes on sale.

The bulb is the most energy-efficient yet, lasts about 20 years and is supposed to give off a pleasing, natural-looking light. But what separates it from the pack most is the price: $60.

That price reflects the cost of the components, especially the top-notch chips, or diodes, that give off the light, and is the price commercial customers will pay. But the manufacturer, Netherlands-based Philips, is discounting it right away to $50 for consumers, and working on deals with electric utilities to discount it even further, by as much as $20 to $30.

This means the bulb will cost anywhere from $20 to $60, depending on where it's found. Online, consumers will be paying $50 for each bulb, because utilities don't subsidize online sales.

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KEYWORDS: 60dollarlightbulb; greenenergy; greenscam; lightbulb; lightbulbscam
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There is NO proof that this lightbulb can go for 20 years. There is NO proof that this lightbulb can generate the light as advertised. There IS proof that the US Taxpayers have been and are going to continue to pay for this crap.
1 posted on 04/22/2012 8:59:48 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
There IS proof that the US Taxpayers have been and are going to continue to pay for this crap.

All part of the plan.

If I wanted America to fail

2 posted on 04/22/2012 9:02:07 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: tobyhill

There is NO proof that this lightbulb can go for 20 years.

last for 20 years if you leave it in the box


3 posted on 04/22/2012 9:04:22 AM PDT by molson209
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To: tobyhill

If it’s made in China, it’ll fry itself in two years, tops.


4 posted on 04/22/2012 9:06:26 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: molson209

LOL. I never thought of it that way.


5 posted on 04/22/2012 9:07:19 AM PDT by tobyhill (Fight Fire With Fire)
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To: tobyhill

There is NO proof that this light-bulb can go for 20 years. There is NO proof that this light bulb can generate the light as advertised.


I believe that there is a light-bulb in a California fire House that has been lit for over 100 years. The secret is that it has a very thick carbon thread filament.

How long these things will last? Well I have had at least one LED flashlight that has died after only being used a few times. Cause of death was the electronic components not the LED itself.


6 posted on 04/22/2012 9:09:14 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: tobyhill
There IS proof that the US Taxpayers have been and are going to continue to pay for this crap.

Yup and its why I get irritated when I see FReepers congratulating themselves for the failure of the great green scam. Its still going on even if no one believes it.
7 posted on 04/22/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: tobyhill
"The contest stipulated that the winning bulb be sold for $22 in its first year on the market.

"In that context, the $60 price tag has raised some eyebrows. Ed Crawford, the head of Philips' U.S. lighting division, said it was always part of the plan to have utility rebates bring the price down to the $22 range.

Hey there you go, promise you can do it for $22, as long as the taxpayer pays twice that much.

8 posted on 04/22/2012 9:10:28 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: tobyhill

My stash of lightbulbs will last me at least 20 years.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 9:11:05 AM PDT by Biff55 (Defend yourself!)
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To: tobyhill

My stash of lightbulbs will last me at least 20 years.


10 posted on 04/22/2012 9:11:07 AM PDT by Biff55 (Defend yourself!)
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To: tobyhill

The magically assign a lifespan based upon the number if years it would take for it to make sense. Its a total scam. Or government has become our enemy.
The 10 million the government spent in this contest was also wasted. If it was such a great idea,,, a corporation would have happy done the research.


11 posted on 04/22/2012 9:11:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: tobyhill

There are plenty of LEDs that are 30+ years old that still work just fine.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: FatherofFive

Powerful !


13 posted on 04/22/2012 9:13:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jiggyboy

“If it’s made in China, it’ll fry itself in two years, tops.”

####

2 long years??? From China?

You must be talking about top-quality, military grade Chinese products.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 9:14:01 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: tobyhill

$100,000,000,000 Spent On Green Energy and I Didn’t Even Get A Lousy Hempcloth T-Shirt.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 9:14:32 AM PDT by digger48
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To: The Working Man

We will never know if this bulb can last 20 years since it was just developed recently. The 10 year claim was made about the CFL and so far I have had to replace all 15 of mine within 3 years of getting them.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 9:14:48 AM PDT by tobyhill (Fight Fire With Fire)
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To: tobyhill
Where would light bulbs be without government intervention?

Thank you know all seers in Washington for making our lives good, thank you.

17 posted on 04/22/2012 9:16:13 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: tobyhill

The third image purports to show a side by side shot of the bulbs on. I don't know the wattage. Should be much cheaper Real Soon Now.

18 posted on 04/22/2012 9:18:21 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer)
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To: tobyhill

I know! I know!! These light bulbs ONLY last as long as claimed ONLY IF THEY ARE NOT USED...


19 posted on 04/22/2012 9:18:44 AM PDT by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: Biff55

Me too. We’ve been buying up for a few years now! Bulbs and plastic bags.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 9:19:56 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: The Working Man
Here's a list of the known longest lasting incandescents including the 110 year old one in the Livermore Fire Department. The second oldest has been on for 104 years and now in the Fort Worth Stockyards Museum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest-lasting_light_bulbs

21 posted on 04/22/2012 9:19:56 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: tobyhill
I bought a little device that fit down in the bottom of the socket, it dimmed the bulb but I had bulbs last for 8 years. They were in the 2 fixtures on each side of my front door and I never turned them off, so they burned continuously for 8 years. I can't find those little devices anymore.

On another note a few months ago I bought some Phillips bulbs at Home Depot, they are the crappiest bulbs I have ever bought, they last hardly anytime at all.

22 posted on 04/22/2012 9:22:04 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: tobyhill

.50 to .75

That’s what I used to pay for Sylvania incandescent 4-packs that would last for years and years.


23 posted on 04/22/2012 9:25:47 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: tobyhill
The proof of the life of the bulb is in the warranty. Of course, the bulb I have is warranted for five years, not 20. I don't know if the bulb I bought at Home Depot is the same bulb or not -- it's 40-watt equivalent consuming 9 watts, sold under the "ecosmart" and "LightingScience" trademarks. And an excess of packaging compared to the regular 40 watt Edison bulb. Maybe it's because they need the space of the package for this information and more, printed in two languages:

Not intended for use with emergency exit fixtures or emergency exit lights. Not for use where exposed directly to the weather or water. Not for use in totally enclosed recessed fixtures.

... complies with FCC Part 15 for a class B device ... generates, uses and can radiate radio frequency energy... Added weight of the device may cause instability ...

50,000 hour life; about 2000 days, or just over five years of continuous operation. I wonder how many on/off cycles the bulb is supposed to withstand -- but the box is silent about that. It just says that they assume you use it for three hours at a time, which would come out to around 17,000 cycles.

Wonder how it stands up to lighting spikes? According the IEEE, the spikes can be as low as 800 volts (ring wave) and as high as 6000 volts (spike, limited by sparking of the clearances in switchgear, fuse boxes and exposed splices) depending on how long with wire is from your fuse box to the light, and other equipment you have connected in your house.

(By the way, the 6000-volt spike can cause the Edison bulbs to explode; one magazine testing lab reported they had one bulb shoot glass everywhere when they applied the test pulse to a turned-on desk lamp.)

And the kicker: "Assembled in Mexico".

24 posted on 04/22/2012 9:27:57 AM PDT by asinclair (Everybody works, everybody pays.)
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To: tobyhill

Even if it does last 20 years as promised, here’s another reason it’s a really dumb idea: it’s an evolving technology. These bulbs will be wholly outdated in a year or two. Something better and cheaper will be available.

Who would’ve spent $200,000 on a Pentium PC in 1995 because “It’s going to last for 20 years”????


25 posted on 04/22/2012 9:28:31 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: tobyhill

When’s the IPO and how many shares is Comrade Chairman Obama signed up for?


26 posted on 04/22/2012 9:31:55 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: tobyhill

watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=251qoGOqpdk
only the trailer, but saw to full movie and is VERY interesting.


27 posted on 04/22/2012 9:33:08 AM PDT by bd59903
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To: tobyhill

I have some good, old-fashioned light bulbs still burning that were in the house when we bought it over 6 years ago.


28 posted on 04/22/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: tobyhill

There IS proof that small LEDs can go at least 10,000 hours or more if you keep them cool. There are probably some running in electronic devices for much longer.

They are easily dimmable and aren’t hurt by frequent on-offs as CFLs are. Do not have the CFL slow start up in cold temps, either.

When China starts producing these they will be super cheap. Who wants a 60 W bulb, though? My old eyes need 100 W. Assuming they are ACTUAL equivalents. I’ve got 100 W incandescents that say 1690 lumens. That’s bright.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-203285540/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=led+bulb&storeId=10051

Wow, I just saw these at Home Depot and they are 940 lumens. That scale up to about 1565 for 100 W. Not bad.

Might grab one for an outdoor light that I keep on all night. Otherwise, at $50 plus sales tax, I will wait a while.

Also, I am not thrilled with the gummint giving prizes for something that was already going to happen very soon anyway.

Funny thing is, when these get into large scale use, people are going to put a lot more outside. They will also tend to leave them on longer in and out. Some of the savings will be spent. But that’s OK with me.


29 posted on 04/22/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: rockrr
That’s what I used to pay for Sylvania incandescent 4-packs that would last for years and years.

Years ago, in Illinois, Commonwealth Edison used to give you a supply of light bulbs FREE when you came in and paid your electric bill. Yes...FREE! 60's 100' whatever you wanted.

30 posted on 04/22/2012 9:36:45 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: tobyhill

Green is nothing but a money laundering operation.


31 posted on 04/22/2012 9:40:06 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Fresh Wind
My house was built in 1982, and the two original incandescent bulbs in the recessed front porch fixture are still working.

I know they're the originals, because it's going to be a major, major pain in the ass changing 'em when they finally go.

32 posted on 04/22/2012 9:41:10 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: tobyhill

What about a 50cent light bulb that lasts for 2 months?


33 posted on 04/22/2012 9:42:56 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: tobyhill
We will never know if this bulb can last 20 years . .

We will know in 20 years or less.

34 posted on 04/22/2012 9:43:42 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: tobyhill

Why would a utility company offer a rebate on a electrical device? Because it saves them from having to supply as much current? Why would a utility company want to reduce an amount of something it’s selling?


35 posted on 04/22/2012 9:49:22 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: tobyhill

Gee....does this mean that all the wild promises about CFLs, and their longevity, were complete lies?

Why else would we need a contest, to build a better light bulb...so soon after we were all led out of the darkness, with the miracle of CFL.


36 posted on 04/22/2012 9:54:18 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

LED tech isn’t quite here yet. The sensible option for light bulb efficiency is high pressure halogens, at the moment.


37 posted on 04/22/2012 10:04:35 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: The Working Man

Actually the trick is lowering the voltage. A typical incandescent will last practically forever if you drop the voltage to half its rating. So instead of looking white it looks orange white. If you look at the super long life incandescent bulbs they are rated for 135 volts or higher instead of 120 where they are normally operated. I don’t remember the exact relationship but I believe it is something like the voltage to the 12th power (or higher) in the reduction of operating time verses voltage increase. Or in other words, voltage makes a huge difference in operating time.


38 posted on 04/22/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by DB
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To: tobyhill

I can get LED bulbs from a farm supply place for about 20 bucks.


39 posted on 04/22/2012 10:19:18 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Lou L
Why would a utility company offer a rebate on a electrical device? Because it saves them from having to supply as much current? Why would a utility company want to reduce an amount of something it’s selling?

Its a perfectly sensible business reason - Residential consumers of electricity are low-margin, service-intensive customers (lots of wires for delivering less than 10000 KWH per year, lots of service calls, pay lower residential rates, etc.). Commercial users of electricity are high-margin, low service customers (fewer hookups, high usage, higher rate, etc.)

Since it costs umpty-beaucoup bucks to build a new power plant (and higher power line capacity), both from simple capital expense and regulatory hurdles, it makes sense to encourage your low-margin customers to consume less of your product, slowing the growth of demand, and thereby allowing you to spread the cost of new output over a greater period of time.

This is especially effective with subsidies of CFLs - If the utility is sensible, it takes time to select a quality lamp for its subsidy. The subsidy of 25 cents to a dollar per lamp reduces energy consumption 75% or more over the 5-10 year life of the lamp. This can have a substantial cumulative effect on demand.


40 posted on 04/22/2012 10:34:35 AM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Don Corleone

that’s actually not a bad marketing strategy. They get the bulbs for next to nothing and more than make up the difference in energy sales. But not very greeny-weenie ;-)


41 posted on 04/22/2012 10:36:21 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: tobyhill

The Philips contest winner is way overpriced - look to see the LED prices come down dramatically in the next few years. However, LEDs are not likely to replace CFL for general illumination. The component prices for LED are tied to the commodity price of the massive aluminum heatsink - a component absent from CFLs. Each type of lamp has its place.


42 posted on 04/22/2012 10:40:31 AM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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To: DB

Yes. That’s why traffic light bulbs last so long. Of course you get less light but your aren’t changing bulbs every few months. Here’s a good article.

http://donklipstein.com/longlife.html

These ought to last a while!

http://www.bulbs.com/Incandescent_Bulbs/200V+/results.aspx


43 posted on 04/22/2012 10:51:17 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Peter from Rutland
I can get LED bulbs from a farm supply place for about 20 bucks.

Okay. Help us out here.

Name? Available online?

44 posted on 04/22/2012 10:53:54 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: tobyhill

The world wide market is about 2.5 million homes-the same number that purchased a Prius.


45 posted on 04/22/2012 10:57:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Jagermonster

You have some good points, but I think your examples are over-stated in terms of costs. Guess I’d have to see the figures. In any case, I’m always suspicious of business models that depend on rebates for business.


46 posted on 04/22/2012 11:09:42 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: tobyhill

I suspect that when they claim it will last 20 years they mean it will probably take 20 years to sell one of these $60 turkeys.


47 posted on 04/22/2012 11:13:22 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Right Wing Assault

www.farmtek.com

Infinity led ultra A-19 bulbs - 19.95 each. Replaces a standard 60w bulb.

I’ll be ordering myself a few.


48 posted on 04/22/2012 11:19:06 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: molson209

I have always been disappointed with the actual longevity of supposed long-life light bulbs. I think the best you can hope for is that they last 20% longer than a regular bulb, if that.


49 posted on 04/22/2012 11:26:01 AM PDT by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: bd59903

How did you see the full movie? I can’t find it on Netflix, but would like to watch.


50 posted on 04/22/2012 11:40:32 AM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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