Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Does the Government Have the Ability to Turn All Americans into Criminals?

Posted on 04/22/2012 11:14:23 AM PDT by pinochet

The indictment of George Zimmerman for second degree murder was not based on facts or evidence, but on politics. Even the left-wing lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, accused the prosecutor of "over-charging" Zimmerman, in the hope that he will be frightened into entering a plea bargain for a lesser charge. We are no longer living in the America of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Today, the prosecution and conviction of people for crimes is not based on facts and evidence, but on the whims of politicians. This issue goes beyond Mr. Zimmerman, and makes us focus on the much broader question; Is America really the free nation that it once was?

The well known joke that says that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, if he chooses to, is no longer a joke at all. We have so many useless laws on the books, most of which are unconstitutional, that a prosecutor can convict you of something, even if you are totally innocent. The Supreme Court only gets to examine less than 1 percent of the unconstitutional laws, because 9 Judges cannot overturn the hundreds of thousands of such laws that are on the books. Every year, the congress, state legislatures, and city councils, pass thousands of new unconstitutional laws. In addition, civil service bureaucrats at the local, state, and federal level, pass new government regulations that are enforced using judges and police officers.

When Friedrich Hayek wrote "Road to Serfdom" in 1944, he predicted the future of America, which has been transformed from a country of free men to a nation of feudal serfs.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; law; politics; vanity
The only way you can avoid breaking one of the many laws in the books, is to stay in bed in the morning. If you tried crossing the street in front of your house, you may be breaking some local, state, or federal law, that you may never have heard about.
1 posted on 04/22/2012 11:14:26 AM PDT by pinochet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Yes.


2 posted on 04/22/2012 11:15:17 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1188 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Yep, pretty much. You locals can do it too.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 11:16:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with. (’Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)


4 posted on 04/22/2012 11:17:30 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1188 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Speaking as a Prosecutor of 25 years ... yes absolutely. And shame on anyone that supported the Patriot Act. That one Act has turned our Government into our adversary.


5 posted on 04/22/2012 11:17:40 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

Yes. We are pretty much toast. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Game, set, and match for our government.


6 posted on 04/22/2012 11:22:16 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

I didn’t support the Patriot Act but I am ashamed that I wasn’t paying closer attention when they passed it. That one sure blew up in our faces.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 11:23:10 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: pinochet
The only way you can avoid breaking one of the many laws in the books, is to stay in bed in the morning.

You had better check into any laws that may be broken by not getting out of bed...

8 posted on 04/22/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

This case actually is very similar to the famous murder case of the “trigger happy” British troops that were represented in their trial by John Adams. They were found not guilty.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 11:25:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

There is also the “tyranny of the self righteous” in seeing everyone’s behavior, diet and beliefs other than your own as criminal somehow. Mayor Bloomberg is the obvious example.


10 posted on 04/22/2012 11:26:06 AM PDT by JimSEA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: null and void
thank you...
11 posted on 04/22/2012 11:38:35 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: null and void

when your top people in government are criminals they can do anything


12 posted on 04/22/2012 11:38:41 AM PDT by molson209
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer
I didn’t support the Patriot Act but I am ashamed that I wasn’t paying closer attention when they passed it. That one sure blew up in our faces.

IIRC, every politician who voted for it promised it would never be used against up.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 11:41:40 AM PDT by bgill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: bgill

I never expected the “Department of Homeland Security” to turn into an American Gestapo Department either. I guess I was too busy thinking about 9/11. Well, 9/11 has been forgotten and is now long gone. However, we’re still stuck with all the crap the politicians pulled on us while we weren’t paying attention.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 11:46:47 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Under Obama our greatest threat of tyranny is his use of executive orders and regulations that he and his administration can establish by royal edict. The EPA and the NLRB, just for example, have become imperial monsters doing the bidding of his royal lowness.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 11:47:10 AM PDT by Avid Coug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet
Three felonies a Day
16 posted on 04/22/2012 12:15:25 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: null and void
"Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken..." Upon reading the question, I thought of exactly the same paragraph.
17 posted on 04/22/2012 12:21:41 PM PDT by spaced
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Does the Government Have the Ability to Turn All Americans into Criminals?

It already has.

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” —Ayn Rand


18 posted on 04/22/2012 12:26:50 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: null and void; pinochet
And along with that -- this:

Paul Harvey already gave us the Progressive/Obama template for the on-going destruction of America - "If I wanted America to fail"

19 posted on 04/22/2012 12:54:58 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

An unjust, immoral...hence illegal government can do just that...and yes, that is exactly what the democrat party government is all about!


20 posted on 04/22/2012 1:10:25 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

“Speaking as a Prosecutor of 25 years ... yes absolutely. And shame on anyone that supported the Patriot Act. That one Act has turned our Government into our adversary.”

I have to admit, I was fine with it as I reasoned “it was very temporary step” necessary during a time of war. I was wrong and it is a terrible infringement on our rights. I was reading the other day where a woman was being frisked and she was sobbing uncontrollably at the humiliation and the pig that frisked her finished and simply walked away...no heart, no soul, just like the Gestapo were. People have no idea but the same thing as happened in Nazi Germany can happen here and is already begun.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 1:13:46 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

I remember arguing vociferously with my circle of friends, mostly evangelical conservatives. they simply could not conceive of a circumstance where all the power being focused on our “enemies” could ever be refocused on them. When I pointed out to them that the Attorney General could unilaterally declare them as enemy combatants and terrorists, they just shook their heads like I was crazy.

I truly wish I had been wrong.


22 posted on 04/22/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: pinochet
Have the ability?

Got news for you: This government - independent of whether or not it's controlled by Democrats or Republican's seems to find new ways daily to make each and every one of us criminals.

Congress and the White House have for years believed their "productivity" is based on the number of laws they pass each year.

I view each law they pass as an infringement on our personal liberties.

I would hope most right-thinking American's would agree with that statement, sadly I seem to be in an ever diminishing crowd.

23 posted on 04/22/2012 2:04:31 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

There are a lot of FReepers who are on the lynch George Zimmerman bandwagon.


24 posted on 04/22/2012 2:12:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

I used to think I’d end my days in prison for being pro-life.

But, now I think it’ll be because the government somehow knows I “think” homosexuality is a sin.


25 posted on 04/22/2012 2:16:42 PM PDT by donna (Mitt? NEVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RIghtwardHo

With or without the Patriot Act you support the indictment of George Zimmerman.

That is the problem.


26 posted on 04/22/2012 3:17:22 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: P-Marlowe
There are a lot of FReepers who are on the lynch George Zimmerman bandwagon.

Can I get a show of hands, please?

27 posted on 04/22/2012 4:41:14 PM PDT by Misterioso ( The difference between stupidity and intelligence is that intelligence has its limits)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: pinochet
Does the Government Have the Ability to Turn All Americans into Criminals?

Abe Lincoln:"If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Answer: 4, calling a tail a leg does not make it one."

28 posted on 04/22/2012 4:50:34 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet

Too bad even that isen’t even true anymore. You have to behave as the Government wants or your “breaking a law”. Inactivity is a chargeable offence in Massachusetts, and if Obamacare stands everywhere else.

The present government of theses united States, like the Government of Massachusetts sees us as nothing more than serfs, a form of slave.


29 posted on 04/22/2012 6:50:38 PM PDT by Monorprise
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pinochet
Why, yes . . . the government can turn us all into criminals. But that also means the converse, the government itself is a criminal conspiracy. And, unless you are a total government drone, you know that you are vastly outnumbered by all of those criminals you have manufactured. The brighter drones will understand this, but the older and fatter and tenured drones will not.

The idiots controlling the government drones actually want a Civil War 2 in America so they can implement their Socialist-Marxist utopia. Civil wars are not civil. Once you let the worms out of the can, there is no way to re-can them. There is also no way to know which way the fight will go, either. Another question for Obama: how many of your government thugs can you really depend upon to wage war on America's citizens?

30 posted on 04/23/2012 1:37:31 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson