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Rubio doesn't close door on VP slot
The Hill ^ | April 22, 2012 | Cameron Joseph

Posted on 04/22/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) didn't fully close the door on accepting the vice presidential slot if Mitt Romney asked him.

Rubio, who has repeatedly denied any interest in the slot, said that he wanted to "respect the process" Romney has put in place to make a selection and would no longer address it.

"I'm not going to even discuss the process anymore. I'm going to be respectful of the process he's put in place," said Rubio on CNN'S "State of the Union" on Sunday morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


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He's in! And for those of you who will complain that he said he wasn't in, ALL (almost all) VEEP prospects initially say they're not in. In fact it is considered poor form to signal that you want the VEEP slot.

BTW, there is NO separate category as "Native Born Citizen." It is strictly a subset of Natural Born Citizen...but that won't stop the Know Nothings from weighing in on this.

1 posted on 04/22/2012 12:17:27 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

HE CANNOT TAKE THE VEEP SLOT BECAUSE HE CANNOT QUALIFY TO BE PRESIDENT.

LET’S STOP YAKKING OTHERWISE, OK?


2 posted on 04/22/2012 12:20:43 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PJ-Comix

He’d be a good choice, if he’s up for it. He’s a conservative, hispanic, Floridian. Florida is a swing State. Hispanic a swing demographic. Conservatives an unspoken-for voter block at the moment.

I’ve heard Nikki Haley’s name a bit. Jeb Bush, also. Wouldn’t mind seeing Jim DeMint’s or Newt Gingrich’s name entering the VP fray.

SnakeDoc


3 posted on 04/22/2012 12:21:12 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: yldstrk

News to me. Why doesn’t he qualify?

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 04/22/2012 12:22:00 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: yldstrk

So WHEN was Rubio naturalized because there are only TWO categories of citizenship: Natural Born and Naturalized.


5 posted on 04/22/2012 12:23:20 PM PDT by PJ-Comix ("How To Overcome Writer's Block In Less Than An Hour" ---Available at Amazon)
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To: yldstrk

Put a sock in it pal...this is a chat site not an indoctrination center.


6 posted on 04/22/2012 12:25:00 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: PJ-Comix

You know there are folks wjho will vote for Romney if Santorum is VP. You don’t know about Rubio and then there’s the heritage thing which could be an overshadowing problem.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 12:26:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SnakeDoctor

Rubio would own Biden in debate.


8 posted on 04/22/2012 12:27:55 PM PDT by PJ-Comix ("How To Overcome Writer's Block In Less Than An Hour" ---Available at Amazon)
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To: PJ-Comix

I heard Rubio on two programs this morning.

Rubio may be a Trojan Horse.

He could not defend Paul Ryan budget Candy Crowley CNN, basically
threw him under the bus on food stamp reductions (has exploded including
stimulus increase in benefits) and restricting illegal aliens to claim child
tax care credit.

Rubio ran away from these simple ideas.

Rubio also kept playing identity politics. The Republicans have to change
their message so they can gain more support among Hispanics. That was
Rubio said today.

Rubio is worse than a regular RINO Republican. He is infiltrator like Barack
Obama. Barack Obama infiltrated his party, and he didn’t care that 2010
the House changed. As long as his long term goals to destroy Constitutional
America are

Rubio may be the Barack Obama of the Republican party.

He does not have a unifying message like Reagan. He plays along with
identity politics, like Obama.

He is not the great white Hope.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 12:28:56 PM PDT by preamble
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To: SnakeDoctor; PJ-Comix
He’d be a good choice, if he’s up for it. He’s a conservative, hispanic, Floridian. Florida is a swing State. Hispanic a swing demographic. Conservatives an unspoken-for voter block at the moment.

Have you not seen THIS Rubio Wants GOP DREAM Act in Time for Fall College Semester

...or are you wearing blinders on purpose? Rubio conservative? HAH! He faked out a lot of people.

10 posted on 04/22/2012 12:31:20 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Sacajaweau
You don’t know about Rubio and then there’s the heritage thing which could be an overshadowing problem.

What heritage "thing?" Santorum won't get picked because he has a tendency to speak without thinking such as when he slammed Zimmerman before many facts were known.

11 posted on 04/22/2012 12:32:05 PM PDT by PJ-Comix ("How To Overcome Writer's Block In Less Than An Hour" ---Available at Amazon)
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To: preamble

GEE! I’m almost surprised you didn’t mention that Rubio is the Son of Satan.


12 posted on 04/22/2012 12:34:18 PM PDT by PJ-Comix ("How To Overcome Writer's Block In Less Than An Hour" ---Available at Amazon)
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To: mac_truck

nope. no sock. This site respects THE CONSTITUTION


13 posted on 04/22/2012 12:34:40 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PJ-Comix

If he’s in, he’s putting personal greed above the rule of law because he is not eligible and thus he is not worthy of the spot.


14 posted on 04/22/2012 12:36:32 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN; yldstrk; PJ-Comix

This question is serious, not intended to argue, but really want to know:

What is it called when you’re born in the USA of parents who are not citizens?

It’s not called “naturalized”... we all know what that means.

And many here claim that it’s not called “natural born”.

Then what is it called, because I’ve never heard it called anything specifically different from “natural born” and if it’s different than “natural born” then I to know what the name of it is.

Thanks. Just curious.


15 posted on 04/22/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: yldstrk

“HE CANNOT TAKE THE VEEP SLOT BECAUSE HE CANNOT QUALIFY TO BE PRESIDENT.”

Doesn’t seem to stop the Repub establishment from chatting up his name. IMO, Allen West would be my choice.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 12:44:12 PM PDT by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: duckman

That is because the Republican establishment is in on the Obama deception. Both sides only care about power now, have sworn allegiance to the devil and care not one fig about principle.


17 posted on 04/22/2012 12:48:35 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
LET’S STOP YAKKING OTHERWISE, OK?

Shout all you want. Nobody is buying that birther crap.

18 posted on 04/22/2012 12:48:55 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: yldstrk

Obviously most on here isn’t from Florida. This jackwad can’t pay his bills and bas negative worth. He’s a terrible politician.


19 posted on 04/22/2012 12:49:15 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: yldstrk

“HE CANNOT TAKE THE VEEP SLOT BECAUSE HE CANNOT QUALIFY TO BE PRESIDENT.

“LET’S STOP YAKKING OTHERWISE, OK?”

An excellent deserved blast indeed.

Thank you.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 12:52:29 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: PJ-Comix

While being clean, neat, well spoken etc like obammy, Rubio my senator, who I voted for is, for amnesty.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 12:56:07 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: goseminoles

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/01/26/marco-rubio-vp-gop-candidates-florida-primary_n_1233480.html


22 posted on 04/22/2012 12:57:00 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Drew68

Believe what you want bro


23 posted on 04/22/2012 12:59:37 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

What would a clown like you know about the Constitution?


24 posted on 04/22/2012 1:02:46 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: goseminoles

haha

yeah typical pol, let someone else foot the bill


25 posted on 04/22/2012 1:02:49 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PJ-Comix
You are spouting false propaganda. Rubio is a natural born citizen of Cuba, because his two natural parents were citizens of Cuba at the moment of his birth. Rubio’s U.S. citizenship is based upon the jus soli (law of the soil) birth within the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States and therefore citizenship granted solely by the act of a manmade and unnatural statute. You can deny the factual truth until Doomsday, and the fact of Rubio’s Constitutional ineligibility will remain true and follow those who attempt to deceeive.
26 posted on 04/22/2012 1:02:49 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: mac_truck

uh gee whiz, golly durn, I dunno


27 posted on 04/22/2012 1:03:59 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mac_truck

What would you know about Fl politics?? He’s a scam..


28 posted on 04/22/2012 1:08:58 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: yldstrk

Lol....


29 posted on 04/22/2012 1:09:34 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Drew68

If you refuse to respect the Constitution, then you should not be surprised when those who respect the Constitution and the oath they swore to protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, at the cost of their own lives, respond to your disrespect by treating you as a domestic enemy of the Constitution and the Republic.


30 posted on 04/22/2012 1:10:16 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: goseminoles

heehee


31 posted on 04/22/2012 1:13:21 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: WhiskeyX

I took 2 oaths to uphold the Constitution, once when I became an officer in the US army, once when I got sworn in as a lawyer.


32 posted on 04/22/2012 1:15:30 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Joe Boucher

Amnesty was granted a quarter century ago, and all it achieved was to help Mexico colonize the United States with millions more Mexican citizens,, many of whom who defy U.S. sovereignty and subvert the republican form of government with widespead vote fraud assisting the Democratic National Committee to subvert the Constitutional governance of the United States. Why would any self-respecting U.S. citizen want to choose to destroy the republican form of government mandated by the Constitution by fostering further massive illegal immigration and colonization of the United States with foreign invaders? How many times do U.S. citizens have to standby helplessly and watch these foreign invaders use violence against themselves and their children as they assert their impunity against are laws punishing felonies such as murder, manslaughter, and right to display the national flag of the United States in places such as our schools?


33 posted on 04/22/2012 1:18:54 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: preamble

How can any Republican think this is a good idea?

Rubio Wants GOP DREAM Act in Place in Time for Fall College Semester
Fox News Latino, April 20, 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2875014/posts


34 posted on 04/22/2012 1:21:19 PM PDT by donna (Mitt? NEVER!)
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To: WhiskeyX

Just curious, wasn’t Romney’s father born in Mexico. If true, why doesn’t that disqualify him.


35 posted on 04/22/2012 1:29:51 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: WhiskeyX

Just curious, wasn’t Romney’s father born in Mexico? If true, why doesn’t that disqualify him?


36 posted on 04/22/2012 1:30:27 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: yldstrk

The following is presented for the benefit of the readers who are not acquainted with the oaths we are talking about:

Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of OfficeHome

Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

During the Revolutionary War, the Continental Congress established different oaths for the enlisted men and officers of the Continental Army:

Enlisted: The first oath, voted on 14 June 1775 as part of the act creating the Continental Army, read: “I _____ have, this day, voluntarily enlisted myself, as a soldier, in the American continental army, for one year, unless sooner discharged: And I do bind myself to conform, in all instances, to such rules and regulations, as are, or shall be, established for the government of the said Army.” The original wording was effectively replaced by Section 3, Article 1, of the Articles of War approved by Congress on 20 September 1776, which specified that the oath of enlistment read: “I _____ swear (or affirm as the case may be) to be trued to the United States of America, and to serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies opposers whatsoever; and to observe and obey the orders of the Continental Congress, and the orders of the Generals and officers set over me by them.”

Officers: Continental Congress passed two versions of this oath of office, applied to military and civilian national officers. The first, on 21 October 1776, read: “I _____, do acknowledge the Thirteen United States of America, namely, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, to be free, independent, and sovereign states, and declare, that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him; and I do swear that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain, and defend the said United States against the said king, George the third, and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents; and will serve the said United States in the office of _____, which I now hold, and in any other office which I may hereafter hold by their appointment, or under their authority, with fidelity and honour, and according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God.” The revised version, voted 3 February 1778, read “I, _____ do acknowledge the United States of America to be free, independent and sovereign states, and declare that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience, to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him: and I do swear (or affirm) that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain and defend the said United States, against the said king George the third and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents, and will serve the said United States in the office of _____ which I now hold, with fidelity, according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God.”

The first oath under the Constitution was approved by Act of Congress 29 September 1789 (Sec. 3, Ch. 25, 1st Congress). It applied to all commissioned officers, noncommissioned officers and privates in the service of the United States. It came in two parts, the first of which read: “I, A.B., do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) that I will support the constitution of the United States.” The second part read: “I, A.B., do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) to bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and to serve them honestly and faithfully, against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and to observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States of America, and the orders of the officers appointed over me.” The next section of that chapter specified that “the said troops shall be governed by the rules and articles of war, which have been established by the United States in Congress assembled, or by such rules and articles of war as may hereafter by law be established.”

Although the enlisted oath remained unchanged until 1950, the officer oath has undergone substantial minor modification since 1789. A change in about 1830 read: “I, _____, appointed a _____ in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the rules and articles for the government of the Armies of the United States.” Under an act of 2 July 1862 the oath became: “I, A.B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I have never borne arms against the United States since I have been a citizen thereof; that I have voluntarily given no aid, countenance, counsel, or encouragement to persons engaged in armed hostility thereto; that I have neither sought nor accepted nor attempted to exercise the functions of any office whatsoever under any authority or pretended authority in hostility to the United States; that I have not yielded voluntary support to any pretended government, authority, power, or constitution within the United States, hostile or inimical thereto. And I do further swear (or affirm) that, to the best of my knowledge and ability, I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.” An act of 13 May 1884 reverted to a simpler formulation: “I, A.B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This version remained in effect until the 1959 adoption of the present wording.

http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html


37 posted on 04/22/2012 1:30:34 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: samtheman
I noticed how the yammerers on both sides were so quick to answer your query, but take a look at post #26 for the best answer.
38 posted on 04/22/2012 1:32:04 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: WhiskeyX

“Rubio is a natural born citizen of Cuba, because his two natural parents were citizens of Cuba at the moment of his birth. Rubio’s U.S. citizenship is based upon the jus soli (law of the soil) birth within the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States and therefore citizenship granted solely by the act of a manmade and unnatural statute. You can deny the factual truth until Doomsday, and the fact of Rubio’s Constitutional ineligibility will remain true and follow those who attempt to deceeive.”

Like it or not, if they nominate him as VP, Rubio will be attacked by both the ‘rats and the media as ineligible with all the subtlety of a firestorm.

Whether individuals in this forum endorse him as a candidate or no, they had better be prepared for the controversy.

I predict the press will make so much hay of it, that Rubio will be forced to withdraw as a candidate (a la Thomas Eagleton, if you are old enough to remember who he was), and that the Republicans (in panic) appoint someone else to run in his stead....


39 posted on 04/22/2012 1:34:04 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: mupcat

Because even though he was birth in Mexico, he was still an American citizen because his parents were.... So even though he wasn’t natural born, he was still able to confer citizenship to MR, who is natural born. Rubio, however is NOT natural born and NOT eligible


40 posted on 04/22/2012 1:34:57 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: Roccus

So what you’re saying is that there is no actual term for it, other than the slang term “anchor baby”?

Again, I’m just asking, not trying to argue.


41 posted on 04/22/2012 1:35:33 PM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: mupcat

Because even though he was birth in Mexico, he was still an American citizen because his parents were.... So even though he wasn’t natural born, he was still able to confer citizenship to MR, who is natural born. Rubio, however is NOT natural born and NOT eligible


42 posted on 04/22/2012 1:35:36 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: PJ-Comix

With luck, Rubio will run as VP, and the week before the election, romney the rino will be struck by lighting, then assuring Rubio will become president.


43 posted on 04/22/2012 1:42:10 PM PDT by Pirsig289
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To: yldstrk

MORON he was born in this country, has a real birth certificate, it doesn’t make a difference if his parents were citizens or not.


44 posted on 04/22/2012 1:42:13 PM PDT by Pirsig289
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To: mupcat

The Romney circumstance is unclear. The arguments in favor of Romney claim that Romney’s father was born in Mexico with U.S. ccitizenship due to his parents being U.S. citizens. The question of whether or not a person who is born on foreign soil as the child of two U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen of the United States or an automatically naturalized citizen of the United States due to the act of a statute. There are many people in this forum who were themselves born or their children born in places such as Germany while their military parent was stationed there. They have often reported how the U.S. Embassy or U.S. Consulate and the military command advised them of their requirements to assert U.S. citizenship for the foreign birth, and they describe how they were advised that the child was not a natural born citizen by these U.S. officials. Their eligibility to the Office of the President remains contested, and the latest Romney Campaign refuses to discuss the matter or respect the requests for further evidence of eligibility.

Whether or not U.S. citizenship was retained and nautral born citizenship was denied by a circumstance of natural born allegiance to Mexico, the child may or probably still fails to qualify as a natural born citizen due to the any U.S. citizenship being based upon the act of a statute that negates natural born citizenship. Again, this is a very contested area of natural law.


45 posted on 04/22/2012 1:47:29 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Road Glide

I suspect the DNC favors Rubio as a Republican candidate and infiltrator into the RINO contingent.


46 posted on 04/22/2012 1:50:28 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: PJ-Comix
Uh, yes, Rubio DID close the door on VP slot:

Rubio Wants GOP DREAM Act in Place in Time for Fall College Semester

That moron wants to reward illegal alien parents who snuck into America by coddling their kids. Yeah, that's just what illegal aliens need - - another magnet to entice them to sneak in and have kids here. Yikes. Go away, Rubio.

47 posted on 04/22/2012 1:50:49 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Pirsig289

So, the fact that the Founding Fathers had to use special language grandfathering themselves and their children born before the adoption of the Constitution into eligibility is a figment of our imagnination and does not really exist? You name call us a MORON, yet we have to look at your words and you and ask what kind of person uses those kinds of abusive language and ignores the plain wording of the Constitution in which they make ineligible any person born after the adoption of the Constitution born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign.


48 posted on 04/22/2012 1:56:21 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Pirsig289

So, the fact that the Founding Fathers had to use special language grandfathering themselves and their children born before the adoption of the Constitution into eligibility is a figment of our imagnination and does not really exist? You name call us a MORON, yet we have to look at your words and you and ask what kind of person uses those kinds of abusive language and ignores the plain wording of the Constitution in which they make ineligible any person born after the adoption of the Constitution born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign.


49 posted on 04/22/2012 1:56:32 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Pirsig289; yldstrk
MORON he was born in this country, has a real birth certificate, it doesn’t make a difference if his parents were citizens or not.

Watch it noob.

If your assertion is correct, Putin could bring his wife over here to pop out a kid who by your MORONIC logic could later be eligible for POTUS, right?

Are you stupid or just a troll?

50 posted on 04/22/2012 1:56:58 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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