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Mary Matalin on Rush today - and is she off base? (Stunned)
4-23-2012 | Self

Posted on 04/23/2012 9:30:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

FREEPER COMMENTS REQUESTED: Is it just me, or is Mary Matalin way off base today with her entire theme for the show (guest hosting for Rush). Now I normally like her work tremendously, but her idea that we should search for "virtue" in government and for "virtuous people" to be in government seems extremely naive.

The only virtue in government is its limit. We will never get a government full of virtuous people. By definition, government is power and virtuous people are not drawn to that. Our Founders knew that. This is why they insisted on LIMITED government. Wake up Mary!


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To: C. Edmund Wright

I shut her off after about five minutes. Could not stand her voice and her habit of talking quietly then louder then quite again. Annoying as hell. Will be on tomorrow with Rush back again.


101 posted on 04/23/2012 10:19:37 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Lazlo in PA

She probably is drunk 24/7..because otherwise, how could you sleep with Serpent-head?


102 posted on 04/23/2012 10:19:57 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: sickoflibs

Mary is a deadly RINO.


103 posted on 04/23/2012 10:20:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Whether he wants to or not, Paul Ryan just made the case for electing Newt for president. Praised the policy success of the congress in the 90s via welfare reform.


104 posted on 04/23/2012 10:20:29 AM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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To: dforest
Mark Davis has on several occasions dissed conservatives and the Tea Party for our stands on issues. Rush clearly understood this pi$$ed his audience off, but yet he continues to give that condescending, creep a national microphone. And now he gives an establishment type like MM valuable air time?

Sorry, but much of this criticism IS merited, and it DOES reflect poorly on Rush. BTW, I like Mark Belling very much.

105 posted on 04/23/2012 10:20:31 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: stockpirate
Ann Coulter dated Bill Maher?

Must have been when she had the problem with her eye and was not seeing straight.

106 posted on 04/23/2012 10:20:46 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Track9
Her appeal to virtuousness is naive.

Poor fellow. Her appeal to virtuousness is directly in line with that of the Founders. Try reading them. Of course, you'll probably come away clucking about how naive they all were, mistaking your almost unconscious cynicism for worldly wisdom.
107 posted on 04/23/2012 10:20:53 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: C. Edmund Wright

She’s a droning gasbag. As annoying to listen to as her husband.


108 posted on 04/23/2012 10:21:31 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: juan_galt; C. Edmund Wright; Suz in AZ; All

Wow! I listened for the first 5 minutes myself and thought it was just me. Thanks for sharing in my pain. My first few thoughts were:

  1. Is Rush trying to kill off his audience to be more “fair” to other talk show hosts?
  2. “Virtue?” - Really? $4 gas! Economy about to crash again! Fast and Furious cover-up! GSA “government watchdog” stealing from all of us! Impending race war in Florida! etc.!!! And we are going to talk about virtue???

I agree, she seems like a nice woman, but she is also the epitome of E-GOP. RINO’s play politics like it’s a badminton match. DEMS/LIBS play it like it’s a MMA bout to the death.

Frankly, I think the RINO’s intentionally want to lose. I have no idea why, but there can’t be any other reason for their stupid actions. With Mitt as the nominee, it’s a sure loss for the R’s in the fall. Can’t I at least listen to Rush for a sliver of relief!?!?!?

I also could only listen to Miss Matalin for about five minutes.

I understand the previous posters' comments about the necessity of 'civic virtue,' or at least having virtuous people, in government. (James Carville, however, would not the first person that comes to mind.) Benjamin Franlkin's aphorism about having given Americans "a government … if you can keep it" would be more appropriate here.

However, if I had wanted to hear "Delilah Does Daytime," I would have just turned on The Spew — oops, The View — in the background.

109 posted on 04/23/2012 10:22:38 AM PDT by ShorelineMike (Constituo, ergo sum.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

A few years ago Rush used to have Roger Hedgecock, former mayor of San Diego, and now syndicated radio talk show host, who did a good job of skewering the libs, fill in. For some reason he’s not on any more in favor of lame RINOs like MM.


110 posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:33 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: onyx

Matalin.....worst sub ever!


111 posted on 04/23/2012 10:24:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Without the 14th and 17th Amendments, or better put, without the ‘penumbras and emanations’ from the 14th that wrecked the 10th, we wouldn’t be having this thread.

Whomever on this thread wrote the words:

“The only virtuous thing about government is its limit”

should come forth with his real name so that it can go down into a book of famous quotations.

There wasn’t much virtue during the 1700’s either. I’m reading the Federalist Papers right now, and the ENTIRE EXPERIMENT pivoted around the idea that people were other than virtuous.

When we gutted the 10th, which sadly ended up at the end only because it enumerated the limited powers in the previous nine, else it may have been the 0th, or 1st, the Experiment was at an end.

It has been downhill from the 14th and the 17th. I see more cool-headed thinking coming from the house these days than the Senate, which is a collection of narcisistic sociopaths.


112 posted on 04/23/2012 10:24:34 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

No, Glenn is much more entertaining, and I am wondering if you ever post without mentioning Beck... cough*e-stalker*cough-


113 posted on 04/23/2012 10:24:44 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Romney is seen as virtuous because he has not been caught cheating on his wife. She’s setting up the challenge to the socialists’ meme that Obama is cool (gansta and foreign) and Romney is “white bread” American, boring. It a personality contest with liberals.

She’s setting the table to engage it: You don’t want radical foreign gangstas in the white hut; you want a virtuous guy like Romney in the White House.


114 posted on 04/23/2012 10:25:02 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Mark Levin would be great.”

Has his own show..


115 posted on 04/23/2012 10:25:10 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: aruanan

You totally missed the point, including the fact that posters are running about 50 to 1 against you.


116 posted on 04/23/2012 10:26:14 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Ouderkirk

I forgot about Bellings and Williams when I posted that.

I hate Mark Davis. He soft sells RINOism at every turn and sound like he should be doing a morning show on an Adult Contemporary music station. His delivery is not suited to talk radio in the least. After listening to Matlin today, I hate her more than Davis, which I thought was impossible.


117 posted on 04/23/2012 10:26:30 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: luvbach1

/facepalm

Seriously, if I had a twitter account, I’d tweet Rush too...SHE STINKS!


118 posted on 04/23/2012 10:26:44 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mountain Mary

Stein is my favorite RUSH sub.

A good option next time would be Jeff Kuhner. He’s subbed for others and he’s great really blasts Obama


119 posted on 04/23/2012 10:27:29 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
No real conservative would marry a left-wing ET. She has been in my doghouse for a long, long time.
120 posted on 04/23/2012 10:28:04 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: Mountain Mary

Mary actually referred to CarVile as Serpent Head.


121 posted on 04/23/2012 10:28:56 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

It’s hard listening to Sean talk to stupid, stupid Libs and the endless convos with Velma and her kids???? WTH?


122 posted on 04/23/2012 10:29:27 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: Ouderkirk

You don’t like Mark Belling?

He’s a classic

Mark is more subdued and respectful to his guests than he is here in Milwaukee. He hung up on me last week. I guess that’s a badge of honor, in a way. :-)


123 posted on 04/23/2012 10:31:11 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

LOL. Gosh, I couldn’t stand her for more than 10 minutes.

Watching re-runs of Law and Order!


124 posted on 04/23/2012 10:32:12 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The Founders designed a government that would work well when populated by virtuous men.


125 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Artcore

James and Mary are friends of Rush’s...which probably accounts for the “slip” today


126 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: cubreporter

MarkStein does a pretty good job. Mark Davis can suck it, as far as I’m concerned.


127 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:17 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Whomever on this thread wrote the words:

“The only virtuous thing about government is its limit”

should come forth with his real name so that it can go down into a book of famous quotations.


Poor dear. In a book of just-missed-the-mark quotations. A limit on government is something that is antecedent to government. It is something the founders said lay in the people, that was expressed in the Declaration and the Constitution, and that the people should re-impose on government by whichever means are most appropriate when government, whether large or small, starts to trample their liberties.
128 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: cubreporter

MarkStein does a pretty good job. Mark Davis can suck it, as far as I’m concerned.


129 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:21 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: dforest
RE :”In fact, there are people posting here right now that were posting on threads barely a month ago that already threw Rush under the bus declaring they would never listen to him evah again!

Wait till he tells us we have to get people we know to vote for Romney.

My Rush 24-7 is up at the end of the year and I cant see renewing it, If most of us skipped work like he does we would be toast.

Are you familiar with Mary Matalin? She's a regular on ABCs 'This Week'.

I seem to recall what you say, it was when it looked like he apologized. That all blew over, the MSM moved on to Zimmermann.

130 posted on 04/23/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: sickoflibs

I’ll bet 50% of his audience tuned out already : )


131 posted on 04/23/2012 10:35:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

I’ll bet 50% of his audience tuned out already : )


132 posted on 04/23/2012 10:35:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Digger

Remember the Walter Williams Fridays? those were really a treat.


133 posted on 04/23/2012 10:36:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

15 min of her in the car on my lunch break and it was turn off the radio time, I couldn’t bear another minute of Mrs Serpenthead, worst guest host ever!


134 posted on 04/23/2012 10:36:53 AM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I have been under the impression for years that Rush is close personal friends with Mary and her husband, so it isn’t a surprise that he would have her “guest host” on his show.

Having said that, I have always found it very hard to listen to her.


135 posted on 04/23/2012 10:37:02 AM PDT by CarolinaGOP ("Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mountain Mary

As soon as Velma comes on, Sean goes off.


136 posted on 04/23/2012 10:39:38 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; dforest
RE :”I’ll bet 50% of his audience tuned out already : )

It's hard to imagine him picking a more annoying sub than her.

In the old days he would just take off some Fridays and Walter Williams would sub and it would be a treat. He didn't take his audience for granted in those days.

137 posted on 04/23/2012 10:40:19 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

So do your two comments at 50% indicate a total of 100% ??? :)


138 posted on 04/23/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: aruanan; jimfree; Houghton M.

All of you are making the same mistake and passing judgement that shows you are not up to speed. No one here is arguing against virtue in government. What we are saying, and with almost 100% agreement among the posters, is that Matalin’s droning on about how voters should try and search out only virtuous people to vote for is incredibly naive, it is incredibly boring and cumbersome and very preachy and almost elitist. What we need to do first is to limit government which does not require us being able to divine who is and who is not virtuous and who will and who will not stay virtuous.

I recommend you understand what is actually being discussed before jumping in next time. Just sayin....


139 posted on 04/23/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Mountain Mary

Got to beat matalin babbling away.


140 posted on 04/23/2012 10:42:13 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Mountain Mary
Mary is an establishment Republican, a big Mittens supporter.

Interesting that all of Rush's recent subs are Mittens supporters. I think that says something about his private political views.

141 posted on 04/23/2012 10:43:02 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Men are not Angels, but I’d like to think we can at least reduce the number of absolute scumballs serving in government


142 posted on 04/23/2012 10:44:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: onyx

” Watching re-runs of Law and Order!”

LOL


143 posted on 04/23/2012 10:45:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All
Will all due respect to fellow Freepers, when a subject so dear to America's founding principles is introduced, no matter by whom, we might do our Republic and our posterity a great service by focusing on the idea presented, not the messenger. Matalin has brought up a subject we should study and promote from the Founders' perspective.

Excerpted below are portions of an essay from Our Ageless Constitution" related to this subject. Youth, especially, need to know that what the Founders referred to as "virtue" remains an essential support for liberty. Matalin's slant on the subject might direct us to what the Founders said about it.

Virtue Among the People:
The Soul
Of
America's Constitution

America's Founders knew that it takes more than a perfect plan of government to preserve liberty. Something else is needed - some moral principle diffused among the people to unite and strengthen the urge to peaceful observance of law. They recognized that the raw materials of a free government are people who can act morally without compulsion, who do not willfully violate the rights of others, and who love liberty enough to demand that government's power is very limited. They used the word "virtuous" to describe such people. Defined by Webster, "virtue" is "a conformity to a standard of right," but whatever word is used to describe it, such a moral standard is the necessary fountainhead of a free society.

The Declaration of Independence referred to "Nature's God," the "Creator," the "Supreme judge of the World," and "Divine Providence" Our nation's founders came together, voluntarily, to create a limited government to secure for them and posterity their God-given rights to life, liberty, and property. Such liberty, they believed, rested on three great supports:

  1. Natural law and unalienable natural rights granted by the Creator,
  2. A written constitution to assure a government of laws, not of rulers, and
  3. VIRTUE among the people - the best defense against tyranny.

Their own words are eloquent reminders of their devotion to this belief:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.... It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." - George Washington's Farewell Address

"We may look up to Armies for our defense, but virtue is our best security. It is not possible that any state should long remain free, where virtue is not supremely honored." - Samuel Adams

"Virtue must underlay all institutional arrangements if they are to be healthy and strong. The principles of democracy are as easily destroyed as human nature is corrupted!' - John Adams-------(End of quoted material)

Samuel Adams wrote: "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man."
He also said the task of the electorate is to choose those whose "fidelity has been tried in the nicest and tenderest manner, and has been ever firm and unshaken."

Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

144 posted on 04/23/2012 10:46:41 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: sickoflibs

Yeah, I know who Mary is. I listened for a while in my car, but eh, I have other things to do.

I like Rush, but I quit 24/7 over a year ago. I can listen for free, so why pay?

One thing about Rush, he always lets you know that he will support whoever the nominee is. He has always done that. How long would his show last if he didn’t?

It would be hard to have a show such as his and try to please everyone because they want him to choose their own choice as a candidate. You see all the slop flinging around here over that issue, so that pretty well explains it.

I think if we had a really great conservative candidate, he might jump on board, but Reagan has passed on. LOL


145 posted on 04/23/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: sickoflibs

An inside secret, my 24/7 subscription lapsed at least 2 yrs ago and I still get dittocam and the rest, just don’t get the monthly Limbaugh Letter.


146 posted on 04/23/2012 10:49:08 AM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

See 139 and apply to yourself.


147 posted on 04/23/2012 10:50:38 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Finatic

Great. thanks!


148 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: loveliberty2

Read post 139.
Then read post 139.
Then re -read post 139 and self apply.
Thanks for playing.


149 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The Founders would agree with her. Virtuous people elect virtuous leaders, who establish virtuous policies.

The loss of virtue as a cultural aspiration will lead us further and further into corruption.


150 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:55 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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