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A Tennessee Fireman's Solution to Climate Change (let's make the deniers pay)
Forbes ^ | 19 April 2012 | Steve Zwick

Posted on 04/23/2012 10:12:40 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Let’s take a page from those Tennessee firemen we heard about a few times last year – the ones who stood idly by as houses burned to the ground because their owners had refused to pay a measly $75 fee.

We can apply this same logic to climate change.

We know who the active denialists are – not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s let their houses burn until the innocent are rescued*. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices.

They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; ecotyranny; environment; famine; firemen; globalwarming; stevezwick; zwick

1 posted on 04/23/2012 10:12:50 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
So "Fireman" should come to mean the usage found in the novel Fahrenheit 451.
2 posted on 04/23/2012 10:15:07 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Is this sarcasm or just seriously stupid? I can’t tell.


3 posted on 04/23/2012 10:15:37 AM PDT by GBA (America has been infected. Be the cure!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
And people wonder why gun sales have skyrocketed! We see how very, very close we are to Fascism and the bloodshed that Liberals will easily look to implement.

If history is our guide, and we now know the corrupt MSM is actively working in support of Fascist Liberals (Journ-O-Lists anyone?, then people ought to take all this into consideration.

4 posted on 04/23/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: GBA

The latter.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 10:18:18 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

How about making the economic deniers pay for the results of their Keynesian policy disasters throughout history? How about making the “Fannie Mae bubble” deniers pay for the results of their policy disasters? They broke the world economy.


6 posted on 04/23/2012 10:18:33 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
After posting his opinion piece, he received a lot of feedback and posted this response:

Take Two: Who Should Pay For Damage From Climate Change?

7 posted on 04/23/2012 10:22:35 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: jdsteel

How about making the anti-drilling fools pay us for the difference between the current price of gasoline and what it would be if we had a sensible drilling policy in place.


8 posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:00 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: CounterCounterCulture

This really needs a barf alert.

There are so many false assertions in the blather that it is hard to know where to start. The idea that the climate models are accurately predicting what has happened in the last 15 years is laughable.

We have had 15 years of essentially flat line in global temperature. None of the “climate change” models that are predicting significant “global warming” predicted this.

I am sure that some models now show this because the people who have the models are constantly changing them to reflect what reality is now. That is not prediction. That is simply tweaking a computer program to reflect history.

This is not science. This is political advocacy.


9 posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: CounterCounterCulture
These people really, Really, REALLY want a freaking hot civil war, don't they?

They'll get it. Come and try to burn my gorebull-warming-denying house, you commies. Just try it. There'll be some .308 lead warming your climate.

10 posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:43 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

hey Steve:
An “almost hypothetical” yes or no question:
Taking humans totally out of the picture: “Does Climate Change?”


11 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:10 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: CounterCounterCulture

This link was posted previously and I visted the Forbes article, read the few posted comments and forgot about it.

You re-posted the article, I re-visited Forbes, and WOW...

The “denier” (of which I am one) comments have blossomed into a complete and total slam against the author (Steve Zwick).

Good.

Thanks for re-posting...because reading the current crop of comments at the Forbes site give me hope.


12 posted on 04/23/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by moovova
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To: CounterCounterCulture
. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s let their houses burn until the innocent are rescued*. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices.

Let's put these crazy liberals in the looney bin where they belong... I assume the Secret Service is looking into this guy - sounds dangerous to me... then again they might be too busy whoring around...

13 posted on 04/23/2012 10:44:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
This author is a complete freak who is still buying offsets for his electric use and airplane flights. The offset (might as well be called indulgences) racket has been shown to be a scam a long time ago. As far as I can tell it was just a way for people like Al Gore to make money off global warming.
14 posted on 04/23/2012 10:46:35 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: jtal

Just a question, somethig I have been wondering about. Since we have been told over and over the world is warming and graciers are melting...Does anyone know of anything, any place in the world, that has gone under water...If it has, I can’t find it.


15 posted on 04/23/2012 10:46:50 AM PDT by Pirsig289
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Ever notice,, nobody has to menace, threaten, guilt-trip, or cajole me into believing in gravity, tornadoes in the midwest, great white sharks and poison snakes?

The more shrill they become,, the more they are exposed as frauds. The scam is being exposed.


16 posted on 04/23/2012 10:47:00 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Ever notice,, nobody has to menace, threaten, guilt-trip, or cajole me into believing in gravity, tornadoes in the midwest, great white sharks and poison snakes?

The more shrill they become,, the more they are exposed as frauds. The scam is being exposed.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 10:48:43 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

This article is gibberish. The earliest global warming climate models predicted ocean level increases of 2 feet and average temperature increases of 5 degrees by 2000.

None of this happened.


18 posted on 04/23/2012 10:50:47 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Hunt every fascist down and kill them.

Seriously. It's time.

19 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
By all means, let us apply “insurance” principles to climate change. You don't pay your insurance — your house is allowed to burn. You don't pay your climate change “insurance”; you suffer the consequences.

The key is to allow us “deniers” the choice of opting out of paying the climate change “insurance” fees. We don't pay for: “cap and trade”; carbon taxes; offsets; subsidies to “green energy”; subsidies for electric cars; grants to “climate scientists” for bogus research; anti-”global warming” propaganda campaigns; etc.

If I could get out of paying the fees; I'd take the chance that “global warming” will burn my house down.

20 posted on 04/23/2012 10:53:09 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
This article is gibberish.

"I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter."

21 posted on 04/23/2012 10:53:09 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
“Power comes out of the barrel of a gun!” is an absurd ralling cry when the other side has all the guns. - Saul Alinsky

One man with a gun can control 100 without one - V. Lenin

These are probably the two most telling quotes regarding leftists and the use of power. Right now the leftists have the military in their control. Many leftists think that they now have the guns and want to use them.

22 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:38 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I think those that believe it it should pay for it not those that do not.


23 posted on 04/23/2012 10:59:40 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: edcoil

It seems like Steve Zwick’s scientific background is trading futures.

SURE, I’ll look to him for scientific advice!


24 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:10 AM PDT by catman67
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To: CounterCounterCulture

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2875508/posts


25 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: edcoil; Salvey
My point in a nutshell!

Also, I should have added Salvey’s point (post #8) to my list. Your summary covers that as well.

26 posted on 04/23/2012 11:07:12 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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And who is to decide whether a famine was caused by "climate change," as if famines never occured before the industrial age?

I have no doubt famines do occur and will continue to occur, and you can look at the policies of the environmentalists themselves, the so-called and self-appointed saviors of the planet, who starve farmers of water to protect other species, like the delta smelt, who "protect" the forest with their anti-logging and anti-private properties policies by making them more prone to larger fires, who want to remove dams, thus making water scarcer when needed and making lands more prone to flooding.

In other parts of the world where you see famines, you often find warlords and dictators (those whom the far left tend to protect and defend from the so-called imperialistic Americans) as being the main causes of mass starvation.

As far as I'm concerned, famines are more likely to happen because of the environmentalists and their totalitarian leftist activist friends.

27 posted on 04/23/2012 11:08:52 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Yes, let’s throw the deniers into the volcano to appease the climate gods. </s


28 posted on 04/23/2012 11:09:22 AM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands.

LOL!! Given that the North Pole is all ice and won't raise the sea level, let's turn tot he South Pole--whose total ice mass melts by half every year and doesn't raise levels one bit. If the other half melts, we won't notice that, either.

There will be no ocean levels rising due to "climate change"

29 posted on 04/23/2012 11:13:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

D*** but this author is stupid.


30 posted on 04/23/2012 11:15:44 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Let’s take a page from those Tennessee firemen we heard about a few times last year – the ones who stood idly by as houses burned to the ground because their owners had refused to pay a measly $75 fee.

Are their houses still standing? If so why?

31 posted on 04/23/2012 12:09:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ShadowAce
Warm water takes up more volume than cool water.

Thermal expansion.

There is no need for ice to melt off land and into water for ocean levels to rise.

That being said - we didn't have catastrophic ocean level rises during the Medieval Warm Period - and it is not yet that warm.

Wake me when they are growing wine grapes in England again - then we might be warming up enough for it to actually be a problem. Until then.......

32 posted on 04/23/2012 12:41:56 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

In the 1600’s oppression over Religious views led to a mass exodusm from the old world to the new world.

In the mid 2000’s Oppression over Environmental views led to a mass exodus from the earth to the moon.

It was only later when rocks started falling on the fools in the “old world” did the idiots realize their mistake in ignoring the climate skeptics.


33 posted on 04/23/2012 1:01:03 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: CounterCounterCulture

In a field (climate alarmism) already overrun with idiots and loonies (Al Gore, call your office), this guy’s article is without a doubt one of the absolute stupidest I’ve ever read.

The real climate tragedy is that we invest some infinitesimal portion of it (in the form of oxygen) supporting his life functions.


34 posted on 04/23/2012 1:53:52 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: dfwgator

LOL!

That’s him!


35 posted on 04/23/2012 4:04:07 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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There's an addendum added to the article, in which he disclaims advocacy of having people actually go and burn down the houses of deniers and, presumably, skeptics.

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36 posted on 04/23/2012 5:10:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"We know who the active denialists are. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices. They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?"

Sure, good idea, I'll agree on one condition. When global warming is finally exposed for the hoax it really is, the promoters of this B.S. must stand for public humiliation (old-fashioned stocks in the town square) or mild floggings, with the number of weeks of punishment in direct correlation to the number of printed or spoken words on the subject. Al Gore would be first, James Hansen second.

37 posted on 04/23/2012 6:52:37 PM PDT by tom h
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping.


38 posted on 04/23/2012 7:52:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: dfwgator

“...Not only was that authentic frontier gibberish”

back atcha, dfwgator!

(and BTW, try the Bangles “I’m In Line” off of their “Bangles!” EP - great brit-pop vocals - then find the Pandoras’ “Stop Pretending” album...)


39 posted on 04/23/2012 10:35:45 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

What an idiot.


40 posted on 04/24/2012 4:25:41 AM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

From your link:

“After all, if they are right, this mess is going to drive up food prices around the world, and it’s going to hit indigenous people in Africa, Latin America, and Asia the hardest, and that’s not fair.”

Soon he’ll write that Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Floods, Drought, Blizzards, Dust storms, Lightning all are not “Fair”.


41 posted on 04/24/2012 4:34:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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