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'Gaia' scientist James Lovelock: I was 'alarmist' about climate change
MSNBC ^ | April 23, 2012, 10:35 am | Ian Johnston

Posted on 04/23/2012 10:48:49 AM PDT by Olog-hai

James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.

He previously painted some of the direst visions of the effects of climate change. In 2006, in an article in the U.K.’s Independent newspaper, he wrote that “before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.”

However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far." …

The new book will discuss how humanity can change the way it acts in order to help regulate the Earth’s natural systems, performing a role similar to the harmonious one played by plants when they absorb carbon dioxide and produce oxygen.

It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books—mine included—because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said. … “The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. …”

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future. …

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1 posted on 04/23/2012 10:48:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No kidding...*eyes rolling*


2 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:30 AM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: Olog-hai
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

The money line, right there. Two cheers for a morsel of intellectual honesty, especially as he is going to have to brace his 92 year old frame for a fierce counter-attack from those who stand to lose their funding and power.
3 posted on 04/23/2012 10:53:22 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Olog-hai

>> his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism

As theories go, that one sounds, like, so *gai-a”.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Olog-hai
The planet has feedback mechanisms that are not accounted for in their stupid computer models.

More CO2 and warmer weather means more plants, which would reduce the amount of CO2.

Warmer weather means more evaporation. This causes more clouds which reflects sunlight and reduces global warming.

In comparison to water vapor, CO2 is a small contributer to global warming.

All this GW hysteria is based off a few bad models.

5 posted on 04/23/2012 11:00:15 AM PDT by toast
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To: Olog-hai
“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing."

The problem is that your coming to conclusions when you don't know what the climate is doing. You're irresponsible and should be held accountable criminally for leading governments into wasting billions of dollars for nothing.

6 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Olog-hai

As for the onerous government regulations now in place and the trillions of dollars in needless expenditures heaped on struggling economies worldwide ... sorry. It was all a big mistake.


7 posted on 04/23/2012 11:05:34 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I predict a multi-pronged attack by the Commies, um, I mean, by the supporters of climate ‘science’ alarmism:

- he was quoted out of context by the lying corporate media

- his email must have been hacked

- the oil companies got to him

- he’s old and senile, don’t pay any attention to him

- 97% of ‘Peer-reviewed Climate Scientists’ (tm) say that he is dead wrong


8 posted on 04/23/2012 11:06:51 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Olog-hai
It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected. “The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books—mine included—because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

Someone needs to call the fools at ABC News about this... they're in the tank with the nuts who want our homes to burn down...

9 posted on 04/23/2012 11:07:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: toast
All this GW hysteria is based off a few bad models.

A few horribly bad models, a bunch of falsified data and a huge political agenda to redistribute enormous amounts of wealth from industrial nations to the turd world.

10 posted on 04/23/2012 11:10:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Zeppo
- 97% of ‘Peer-reviewed Climate Scientists’ (tm) say that he is dead wrong

Yup. And don't forget, when you start even questioning this stuff, you no longer are qualified to be included in the pool of scientists to be considered responsible peers.
11 posted on 04/23/2012 11:11:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Olog-hai

The earth is going to burn up, all the people are going to die, except for a few breeding pairs in the arctic.

Oh wait - Nevermind.

12 posted on 04/23/2012 11:11:33 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Olog-hai

The old “two steps forward, one step back” routine.

Fark ‘em all!


13 posted on 04/23/2012 11:12:57 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution togethegr as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Olog-hai

The climate is CHANGING?! WHAHUT?! IS IT TOO LATE TO PANIC?!!!


14 posted on 04/23/2012 11:30:59 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Olog-hai
He must be suffering from dementia. /s
15 posted on 04/23/2012 11:38:59 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: Olog-hai

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16 posted on 04/23/2012 11:43:29 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: madison10

The first 12 years of this century have seen more horsecrap than the first 12 years of the preceding one,,,,and they had the horses helping out.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 11:49:20 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Olog-hai

As if it isn’t an historical fact that the climate has always “changed” to one degree or the other....beginning long before “man” came on the scene, too. DUH!

Look for these hysterical fools, and the political opportunists who use them, to double down on the “sustainability” meme now in order to justify the higher taxes they want to impose on the dumb clucks who continue to fall for the BS.

Lovelock, like the leopard, has in no way changed his “spots”. He’s STILL a dufus.


18 posted on 04/23/2012 11:50:07 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

2 degrees since 1890... yeah, we should panic... yawn.


19 posted on 04/23/2012 11:51:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: toast
The planet has feedback mechanisms that are not accounted for in their stupid computer models.
More CO2 and warmer weather means more plants, which would reduce the amount of CO2.

Warmer weather means more evaporation. This causes more clouds which reflects sunlight and reduces global warming.

In comparison to water vapor, CO2 is a small contributor to global warming.

All this GW hysteria is based off a few bad models.


I presented this and more to an Electrical Engineer Professor at my local university. I cited research. His response to me, “Why would anyone risk their professional career on something that wasn't true.”

Nuff said.

20 posted on 04/23/2012 12:01:18 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: toast
More CO2 and warmer weather means more plants, which would reduce the amount of CO2.

Warmer weather means more evaporation. This causes more clouds which reflects sunlight and reduces global warming.


In Thermodynamics, there is a term for this....Inherent Stability. Basically it means that when a system (Earth's climate) is left to its' own devices, it will control itself within a certain range of variability.

Of course, the Earth's atmosphere and resulting climate are NOT independent of the influences of it's primary heat source--the Sun--and they do in fact respond to and follow the Sun's behavior.
21 posted on 04/23/2012 12:03:52 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I think Michael Crichton answered that question, and so will I:

government research grants.


22 posted on 04/23/2012 12:07:07 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Olog-hai

So... How much did he pay for those degrees? Sure, he’s 92, but he may want to see about a refund; even if it’s prorated.


23 posted on 04/23/2012 12:08:35 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: Olog-hai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc


24 posted on 04/23/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: Olog-hai
“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books—mine included—because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

Still lying for the cause. No one with half a brain thought that atmospheric dynamics were well known 20 years ago.

25 posted on 04/23/2012 12:42:42 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: TigersEye
“All this GW hysteria is based off a few bad models.

A few horribly bad models, a bunch of falsified data and a huge political agenda to redistribute enormous amounts of wealth from industrial nations to the turd world.”

As for climate change, there are *no* *good* *models*.

We simply do not know just what is going to happen. That is enough for the doomsayers to claim knowledge and to demand control of all the rest of us forever.

26 posted on 04/23/2012 12:45:12 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: zot; Interesting Times

A bit of intellectual honesty for a change. I expect he will be drawn and quartered by the true believers for his heritical statement.


27 posted on 04/23/2012 12:55:28 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Olog-hai

As an Earth Scientist, I am here to tell you that there is no known cause and effect between the concentrations of CO2, or CO in the atmosphere and the temperature change in the atmosphere.

The average concentrations of atmospheric CO2 are usually < 400 parts/million, or < 0.04 PERCENT. This extremely tiny amount of CO2 is the primary source for ALL of the Carbon for ALL of the life on Earth.

Thus, CO2 is an essential, environmentally FRIENDLY gas in low concentrations.

CH4 also supplies carbon to all life, and also has no known cause and effect on temperature change in the atmosphere, in low concentrations.

BTW, the greenhouse gas that has the largest atmospheric concentration, has been proven to have a VERY large effect on the the temperature of air, sea and land.

Many humans, throughout history, have met horrible deaths when exposed to high concentrations of the effects of this gas.

This gas is ubiquitous, as every square millimeter on the Earth has been exposed to it for millions of years.

It has be proven to also be essential for all known life on Earth.

The present concentration of this giant of green house gasses, is presently 2.5 % of the Earth’s atmosphere.

IOW, it is two orders of magnitude greater in atmospheric concentration than CO2. It is 25, 000 parts per million vs CO2’s < 400 parts per million.

Fortunately, no fear-mongering politician has yet to win an Oscar, or a Nobel Prize for trying to reduce the atmospheric concentration of this always problematic, but essential greenhouse gas.

Final clue: Santa Claus speaks the chemical formula of this gas in his famous laugh.


28 posted on 04/23/2012 1:02:13 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: GreyFriar
A bit of intellectual honesty for a change. I expect he will be drawn and quartered by the true believers for his heritical statement.

The guy's 92. What are they going to do; revoke his grant?

29 posted on 04/23/2012 2:18:48 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Olog-hai
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

"ALL RIGHT, I MADE A MISTAKE!"

Time to SCRAP the EPA and the Energy Department.

30 posted on 04/23/2012 3:14:24 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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31 posted on 04/23/2012 3:25:29 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Olog-hai
“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

That's what happens when you live long enough to fall afoul of your predictions Mr. Lovelock.

32 posted on 04/23/2012 3:28:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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The fellow might have discovered that he’s got an illness that can’t be resolved by current medical science. I can’t think of why he would turn around his positions in a mere two years . . . remember this?
Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change from radically impacting on our lives over the coming decades. This is the stark conclusion of James Lovelock, the globally respected environmental thinker and independent scientist who developed the Gaia theory. …

"I don't think we're yet evolved to the point where we're clever enough to handle a complex a situation as climate change," said Lovelock in his first in-depth interview since the theft of the UEA emails last November. "The inertia of humans is so huge that you can't really do anything meaningful."

One of the main obstructions to meaningful action is "modern democracy", he added. "Even the best democracies agree that when a major war approaches, democracy must be put on hold for the time being. I have a feeling that climate change may be an issue as severe as a war. It may be necessary to put democracy on hold for a while."
Um, did he also discover that neither the USA nor UK became totalitarian during WWII?
33 posted on 04/23/2012 3:32:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: toast

The planet has feedback mechanisms that are not accounted for in their stupid computer models.


You’d think Lovelock would have realized this - it is the core concept of his Gaia theory!


34 posted on 04/23/2012 4:23:39 PM PDT by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: Olog-hai

I was so stupid, I actually thought I was smart.


35 posted on 04/23/2012 4:40:36 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Interesting Times; zot

Actually this shows the truth of President Eisenhower’s warning against the development of a governmental-academic complex where in universities and academic begin to feed off of government grants to fund their research projects. And the government fostering academics to apply for grants for government instituted ideas.

This warning was in the same speech as his often quoted military-industrial complex.


36 posted on 04/23/2012 4:43:59 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Graewoulf
We must ban Dyhydrogen Monoxide(DHMO) by any means necessary!
37 posted on 04/23/2012 4:48:26 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: justa-hairyape
The first IPCC report was made public in 1990. The supplementary report was in 1992--twenty years ago. James Hansen launched his hoax on Congress in 1988.
38 posted on 04/23/2012 5:26:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: TigersEye
The problem is that your coming to conclusions when you don't know what the climate is doing.

Bingo.

They don't have a clue what's happening, but they write a proscription that will cost trillions of dollars and send all but the favored few back to an 18th century lifestyle.

39 posted on 04/23/2012 6:15:33 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Graewoulf
This gas is ubiquitous, as every square millimeter on the Earth has been exposed to it for millions of years.

That nasty, deadly Dihydrogen Monoxide?

40 posted on 04/23/2012 6:27:05 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto

They’re arrogant and they know it and they just don’t care.


41 posted on 04/23/2012 6:29:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the glow-bull warming ping.


42 posted on 04/23/2012 6:34:13 PM PDT by zot
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To: Olog-hai

Wow. Expect him to be lynched by progressives as a corporatist, denier, shill for Big Oil, Big Coal, and a flat earther. After they say he’s not a climatologist, therefore he doesnt know what he’s talking about.


43 posted on 04/23/2012 6:35:20 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: TigersEye
They’re arrogant and they know it and they just don’t care.

I agree. They hold the media megaphone and can tell any lie they want. Our job is to inform people what hell their lives will become if these left wing money grubbing bastards ever get their way.

44 posted on 04/23/2012 6:38:34 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: GreyFriar

The glow-bull warming scam shows that science is for sale.


45 posted on 04/23/2012 6:41:16 PM PDT by zot
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To: Olog-hai

I knew it! I checked around and the warmists are condemning Lovelock as a denier. And that he’s senile and needs to be ignored. On top of that they’re saying he wasn’t alarmist enough back in the day.


46 posted on 04/23/2012 7:02:31 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Ditto

Yep. The shade from the vast right-wing conspiracy of these gas particles have been known to blot out the Sun.

The same Sun that the vast left-wing conspiracy of gas-filled politicians have used to drive fear and taxes higher, and thus control the masses of lads and lasses.

BTW, our Native Americans had all this fear-mongering about weather figured out thousands of years ago: they invented the Rain Dance.

BTW, BTW, if Algore had his parade rained on, would he melt? I’m told that he has no reflection when standing in front of a mirror. Probably just a rumor - - - .


47 posted on 04/23/2012 7:38:48 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Impala64ssa; donna

It has been 10 minutes since I watched the video on the hotlink that you provided. I am still terrified to even leave my chair.

My dogs are outside and are drinking from a swimming pool of the liquid form of that problematic greenhouse gas.

Soon I hope to get my fear under control, get my dogs inside, and turn on more lights to simulate the light from the Sun.

In a couple of days I may watch your video again, but ONLY in the daytime.


48 posted on 04/23/2012 7:52:18 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Olog-hai

Now the race to salvage some credibility -historically.

Gee-ah...I don’t think so.


49 posted on 04/23/2012 10:02:36 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Olog-hai

BTTT!


50 posted on 04/23/2012 11:01:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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