Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Coming to New Zealand: $100 Packs of Cigarettes?
http://www.newser.com/ ^ | April 23, 2012 | Evann Gastaldo

Posted on 04/23/2012 11:47:13 AM PDT by BO Stinkss

While the US has been trying to disgust smokers into giving up tobacco, New Zealand has been considering a more direct idea: raising the price of cigarettes to $100 a pack. The Ministry of Health wants a smoke-free NZ by 2025, and the $100 price tag—which would be implemented by 2020—is one of the ideas being discussed … although officials admit it is "probably unrealistic." The plan seen as the most likely would make a pack of cigarettes a still-sizable $60 by 2025, Sky News reports. But, 3 News adds, Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black market.

(Excerpt) Read more at newser.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; cigarettes; scam; sourcetitlenoturl
They will never try that in the US. State and federal government will be unwilling to absorb to loss of tax revenue. Besides, Obama's constituants would demand that cigs be covered by EBT cards.
1 posted on 04/23/2012 11:47:18 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

is it illegal to grow your own tobacco?

I can’t imagine how it could be


2 posted on 04/23/2012 11:48:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

How big are their packs?


3 posted on 04/23/2012 11:50:21 AM PDT by posterchild
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

The commies are trying to wean everyone off of tobacco and push them over to the much cheaper marijuana. When everyone is high, nobody complains about what is going on within the government.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 11:51:04 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

How can there be a black market on an isolated island?


5 posted on 04/23/2012 11:51:34 AM PDT by Kennard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Someone will make millions bootlegging......


6 posted on 04/23/2012 11:54:43 AM PDT by GQuagmire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Funny how they lack the guts to just make it illegal.


7 posted on 04/23/2012 11:58:24 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Brilliant idea. It will make the profit margin (and violence) from bootleg cigarettes approach that of illegal drugs. Then the government can tax these new criminals at 100% through “seizures”.

The other question is, who would spend $100 on a pack of cigarettes when the price of an equivalent amount of pot is less, even though it is illegal.


8 posted on 04/23/2012 11:59:25 AM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kennard

There’s a thriving illegal drug trade in Singapore, so why not?


9 posted on 04/23/2012 11:59:40 AM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

I guess these idiots never heard of prohibition and how it turned out such lovely people like Al Capone, Joe Kennedy and other mobsters like that.


10 posted on 04/23/2012 12:02:58 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (From the dough tree we get donuts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

” Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black market “

Gee - ya think???


11 posted on 04/23/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Guess it’s a good thing 1) I quit smoking over 23 years ago, and 2) I don’t live in New Zealand.


12 posted on 04/23/2012 12:09:28 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GQuagmire

I was in Toronto maybe 35 years ago. Canadians didn’t like the price of cigarettes, so they just rolled their own. Called them “twisters.” They looked like joints. It was no big deal.


13 posted on 04/23/2012 12:11:24 PM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kennard
How can there be a black market on an isolated island?

With a sufficient profit potential, someone will find some way to do it.

14 posted on 04/23/2012 12:13:59 PM PDT by Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Mr. K
I'm growning my own again this year.

/johnny

15 posted on 04/23/2012 12:19:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: posterchild

I wonder if they mistranslated “carton”....


16 posted on 04/23/2012 12:19:46 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Drill Thrawl
They make it just high enough in cost so people can barely afford it and remain addicted at the same time so they can collect as much taxes as possible. They could give a damn about getting people to quit. It's all about stealing as much $$$$ as possible while using the "it's bad for you" excuse. Despot Mike Bloomberg does this ALL the time here in New York city. Everything the Despot has deemed bad for the public he has taxed the hell out off. Soda, beef, ice cream, chocolate, candy, just name it. He wants everyone to eat granola and tofu so women can look like this....

This is vegetarian health guru Gillian McKeith. Age: 51 years old.

This is Nigella Lawson. English food writer, TV chef and meat eater. Age: 51 years old.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 12:21:34 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (From the dough tree we get donuts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss
Gee this will go well

People talk about the war on drugs being a failure...

well Tobacco is a drug that can be had for cheap around the world legally...

So that will create a hell of an illegals black market in New Zealand...

Cheap easy to be made money will suck illegals cigs in to New Zealand by the boatload....

I mean really its an f---ing bunch of islands...

lots of unguarded coast line...

lot of pleasure craft...

stock up on a buttload of cig is Australia...

quick night run to New Zealand ...

turn a quick 20/30k profit...

yea this will turn out well

18 posted on 04/23/2012 12:22:24 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss
The Anti-smokers love this, just wait until they are next on the list for
replacing all that tax revenue.

When they came for the smokers I didn't care, I didn't smoke.

19 posted on 04/23/2012 12:24:21 PM PDT by MaxMax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

“Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black market.”

Captain Odvious = John Key?


20 posted on 04/23/2012 12:28:43 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Isn’t Bloomberg simply an out of control ego maniacal jerk?
When people tell me he’s done a good job i tell them they must mean besides the fact term 3 is illegal and the way he tries to run peoples lives.


21 posted on 04/23/2012 12:28:56 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: wiggen

It’s freakin hell living under that idiot. NYC is living under pure Despotism pure and simple. He does whatever the hell he wants.

Now his latest project for the past year has been to make traffic as bad as humanly possible because he hates cars and is a global warming fanatic. So he is literally dividing streets in half with cement barricades. One half is for bikes (which nobody uses) and one half is for cars. So where their use to be 2 or 3 lane streets, now they are reduced to one lane. Every-single-day I see firetrucks, ambulances, cop cars stuck in traffic for 30 minutes, 40 minutes with their sirens blaring, and that means nothing to that little doosh. To hell with emergencies, the Despot must have his way.


22 posted on 04/23/2012 12:37:22 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (From the dough tree we get donuts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Ah Food Network porn.

I have yet to meet a vegatarian that looked healthy.

23 posted on 04/23/2012 12:44:31 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper
I'm growning my own again this year.

How about grolling your own?

Roll your own was quite popular during the depression. There were even hand operated machines for this purpose.

24 posted on 04/23/2012 12:56:35 PM PDT by Ole Okie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’ll take the English Muffin!


25 posted on 04/23/2012 1:05:29 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Mr. K
is it illegal to grow your own tobacco?

No. At least not in the USA - yet.

It's not difficult to grow in the right climate either.
But the process to dry it and cure it to produce an end product similar to the kind of tobacco consumers are used to can be long and involved.


26 posted on 04/23/2012 1:14:49 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Well, it’s official.

Government has now become sillier than the Monty Python comedy skits which used to parody how silly government can be.


27 posted on 04/23/2012 1:21:34 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

Neither government (US or New Zealand) actually want to stop people from smoking for health reasons.

If they did they would just declare tobacco illegal.

They just want to screw tobacco smokers out of as much tax money as possible while making false claims that it is all done for health reasons.


28 posted on 04/23/2012 1:26:12 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Buckeye McFrog

” Government has now become sillier than the Monty Python comedy skits which used to parody how silly government can be . “

Have you noticed the dearth of posts from “The Onion” here of late??

Even professional satirists can’t compete with the headlines....


29 posted on 04/23/2012 1:26:51 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Iron Munro

” If they did they would just declare tobacco illegal. “

Yeah - that worked so well with beverage alcohol in the 1920s, and with recreational drugs 1960s to present...


30 posted on 04/23/2012 1:29:20 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Ike

I live in a small sailboat and did some quick math...based on the price I’ve seen for cheaper SA cigarettes and the space available...a helluva long trip but a $5k investment would score $850,000.

Wow...I LOVE controlled substances!!


31 posted on 04/23/2012 1:48:47 PM PDT by AnTiw1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Ike
Yeah - that worked so well with beverage alcohol in the 1920s, and with recreational drugs 1960s to present...

I'm not saying it would work.
I'm just saying if their intent was to stop tobacco related health issues they would do more than squeeze the maximum amount of taxes out of smokers.

Besides - when did the US government ever let past failures stop them from implementing a policy?

ie: Socialism has a long history of disasterous and utter failure but that hasn't stopped republicans and democrats in the government from forcing more and more socialism on us.


32 posted on 04/23/2012 1:52:22 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss
They will never try that in the US. State and federal government will be unwilling to absorb to loss of tax revenue

While the states and the anti-tobacco groups will not admit it, privately owned bars and restaurants are indeed suffering the effects of the growing smoking bans on privately owned businesses.

The promises of the anti-smoking groups that non-smokers would return to the smoke free establishments have not come to fruition. It's now apparent that those alleged smoking bar boycotters never existed in the first place, just like the leftist's attacks on Rush's host radio stations by leftists who never listen to Rush.

To further prove my point, there are several bars in my area here in S.E. Michigan that have spent considerable amounts of monies to erect an outside enclosure to shelter the smokers from the elements since they can no longer smoke inside the bar.

33 posted on 04/23/2012 2:13:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss

But bags of pot will go for a mere $2.00


34 posted on 04/23/2012 2:29:45 PM PDT by AFreeBird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss
They will never try that in the US. State

Not all at once because here in the U.S. they have learned that "incrementalism" is the only way the populace will ultimately be controlled.

As an example, what was the first action taken against smokers to assuage the complaints of the non-smokers?

Answer: The airlines moved all the smokers to a designated section in the back of their planes....and the rest is history.

So once the government has exhausted its income source from the tobacco industry and created an underground blackmarket that they can't control, what's the next logical target to first demonize before they attack it as they did with tobacco?

Answer: Alcohol consumption

Now welcome in MADD as the new replacement for the anti-tobacco lobbyists......

35 posted on 04/23/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BO Stinkss
Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black market.

Gee, ya think?!

36 posted on 04/23/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Ike

Guess I should have scrolled down. GMTA.


37 posted on 04/23/2012 2:40:38 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Ole Okie
I've been buying tubes and stuffing my own with a machine for 15 years.

/johnny

38 posted on 04/23/2012 5:09:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda

OMG, I have seen Gillian on TV. What do they have to do to her to make her acceptable on screen???? I can tell that is her, but that is not how she looks on her show.

But she still does look like someone who is overly-interested in other peoples’ poo.


39 posted on 04/23/2012 8:32:37 PM PDT by reformedliberal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson