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Trayvon Martin / Zimmermann case gets weaker every day. New Negative Revelations.
Source? Friends and Fiends.

Posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by MindBender26

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To: chris37
But Zimmerman SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF HIS CAR, because getting out of his car is getting out of his car!

Not only that, he didn't obey the dispatcher on the other end of the emergency line.

Everybody knows that if a dispatcher tells you not to something it is illegal for you to do it anyway.

101 posted on 04/23/2012 5:03:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? You're really that dense? Really?)
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To: MindBender26

I actually can’t see any forensic evidence that would require certified skills, other than those in the provence of the coroner. The parties are identified, photos can be taken by anyone, and anyone can pick up and seal a skitters package, so the skill level of the evidence tech wouldn’t matter.

The one issue we don’t have any information on at the moment is whether the coroner found any trauma to Trayvon’s hands. Unless he punched Zimmerman with his iced tea bottle, there should be some bruising.

Drug screen might have some probity on the issue of irrational or violent behavior, but the levels would have to indicate current usage. Past usage wouldn’t be relevant.

How important the police thought the case to be at the time has no bearing for either side.


102 posted on 04/23/2012 5:06:57 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: MindBender26
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

WHERE IS THE NATIONAL OUTRAGE?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

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Have they caught the rest of the gang of feral blacks who raped, tortured and murdered this elderly woman? Are they even looking? Not a word about it in the media.

103 posted on 04/23/2012 5:16:32 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Gil4

Exactly, it’s a self-defense case. SYG has some provisions re: procedure and civil liability that might apply, but that’s it. But when the chattering heads start out with their own manufactured scenario, then try to jam the facts into it, the fact that they don’t fit doesn’t dissuade them.


104 posted on 04/23/2012 5:16:52 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: gaijin

White hispanic isn’t even a race.


105 posted on 04/23/2012 5:18:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: goseminoles
He has solid representation now. Its all good.

Great news. Thanks.

106 posted on 04/23/2012 5:23:29 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No kidding.

I mean, not only did the dispatcher of the law issue a lawful suggestion in saying we don’t need you to do that, Zimmerman clearly disobeyed the lawful suggestion when he responded by saying OK and then obeyed it!

The sheer nerve of this guy!


107 posted on 04/23/2012 5:28:44 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: presently no screen name

I was going to comment. Ill keep silent and support GZs defense. He deserves it ..


108 posted on 04/23/2012 5:31:55 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: patriot08

They got the perp, his name is Tyrone.

http://amren.com/news/2012/03/couple-met-and-married-within-a-month/


109 posted on 04/23/2012 5:33:46 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Not only that, he didn't obey the dispatcher on the other end of the emergency line. Everybody knows that if a dispatcher tells you not to something it is illegal for you to do it anyway.

I actually had a Dhimmicrat at work trying to argue this today, that he should have obeyed the dispatcher. (Of course, the Dim was just parroting what he'd heard on Anderson Cooper F.A.G or some other program on ABCNNNBC).

I asked him what legal authority she had to tell Zimmerman to do ANYTHING? And I pointed out the exact words of the dispatcher: "we don't NEED you do to do that [follow zombie Trayvon].

After about 3 minutes, the knee-jerk liberal had to admit I was right.

110 posted on 04/23/2012 5:36:11 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: chris37

That there even is a case, or any real controversy shows how damaged our society really is already. This pot was stirred by the media and people who are supposed to be leading this country poured gas on the fire.


111 posted on 04/23/2012 5:47:43 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: CaptainPhilFan
Yes and No.

And it wouldn't matter, even if Martin had been previously arrested for such a crime. (He had not).

A lot of people in Florida just want the truth to come out.
Unfortunately, we all doubt it ever will, now.

We know Zimmerman killed Martin. That was never in doubt.
Details regarding why and how were known by the Sanford PD that night. They declined to immediately prosecute, based on their initial findings of evidence.

Two weeks later, a now familiar and obvious pattern of media lies and targeted “community political action” begins on a national level, in what was a local homicide.

BTW - very little national press or political attention was given to another Florida "justifiable homicide". But that was just a local black on white homicide in Naples.
Dooley vs James.
Odd that Dooley's 9/2010 shooting of James was coming back into the public spotlight at right about the time....

Just saying.

112 posted on 04/23/2012 6:06:11 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: jiggyboy; MindBender26
Did they do any toxicology tests on Zimmerman? I’m told that’s standard procedure in a shooting. I haven’t seen anything saying that they did.

For what it's worth, this source says the police took a blood sample from Zimmerman (under the subheading "The Injuries and the Paramedics", more than halfway down the article):

A Police Dept. spokesperson told local Orlando media a full toxicology analysis was completed including, blood tests, breathalyzer and the police took residue and swab samples of his hands, arms and body.

113 posted on 04/23/2012 6:14:26 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster; jiggyboy; MindBender26
fail. Here's the link: Blood test on Zimmerman under subheading The Injuries and the Paramedics.
114 posted on 04/23/2012 6:17:56 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: presently no screen name
They got one of them. There was a gang of feral blacks who attacked the Straits.
115 posted on 04/23/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: MindBender26

Interesting points and thoughts.

I find it very strange to be in unison with Alan Dersohwitz when reviewing the evidence and the tactics of the prosecutor.


116 posted on 04/23/2012 6:22:43 PM PDT by citizen (Obama blames:arab spring,banks,big drug/oil,bush,ceos,christians,coal,earthquake/tsumani,fnc,wall st)
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To: MindBender26
There is a separate SYG hearing, and it will be soon.

There shouldn't be. SYG has nothing to do with this case. Zimmerman was attacked while returning to his vehicle.

It's the anti-gunners that are trying to drag SYG into this. This is just plain justified self defense.

117 posted on 04/23/2012 6:26:30 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: MindBender26
"There is a separate SYG hearing, and it will be soon."

Ummmm.....why?

SYG does not need to be considered in this case. Pure self defense, nothing more needed. Irrefutable and easily understood.

118 posted on 04/23/2012 6:46:50 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

In fact, the dispatcher didn’t even tell him not to follow TM. He said, “We don’t need you to do that.” It implies that he can do it if he wants, but he doesn’t need to do it.


119 posted on 04/23/2012 6:54:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: spacejunkie2001

LOL


120 posted on 04/23/2012 6:58:31 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: lacrew

I’ve also suspected that mj use, sale, or buying might be involved. But isn’t this “new insider info” just more speculation? Note that the post says of the toxicology data “when it comes back...” This implies it isn’t available now, and the poster does not actually claim that the lab leaked the results to his source.

I remember as a teenager, walking, running, biking for miles, going to a store for no urgent reason, etc., just to get out of the house and burn off excess energy. No drugs or crime were involved. Isn’t it just as (or more) plausible to imagine TM as a bored, antsy teenager, out roaming aimlessly to escape being couped up in daddy’s “fiance’s” tiny crib, away from his friends? Jumping GZ goes with being stupid, a condition not unassociated with the teen years, and stupid moves often have fatal results. That’s why troubled teens need parents to be with them, not away at a sports bar watching TV.


121 posted on 04/23/2012 7:03:30 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: spacejunkie2001; chris37

How DARE he get.out.of.his.car.....Signed, Clara Lou


Are the two of you out of your cars? GET BACK IN YOUR CARS!


122 posted on 04/23/2012 7:08:19 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: diogenes ghost
SYG is a judge decision that stops everything. If so invoked, it all stops there. SD is s defense before the jury

If you are the D lawyer, why ever let it go to the jury if you can stop it early.

123 posted on 04/23/2012 7:15:25 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: Chewbarkah
Has anyone tried to time Trayvon's trip to the store to when the basketball game was on that he was planning to watch?

It does seem that he took a lot longer to get back than would be necessary...but maybe he was smelling the flowers, or birdwatching. Maybe he was hoping to see a prothonotary warbler.

124 posted on 04/23/2012 7:47:04 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MindBender26

If Trayvon knocked him down, he was not standing...so how could he invoke a “stand your ground” defense?


125 posted on 04/23/2012 7:48:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Right Wing Assault

You forgot a “know what I’m sayin’.”


126 posted on 04/23/2012 8:39:52 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
>>If Trayvon knocked him down, he was not standing...so how could he invoke a “stand your ground” defense?<<

Stand your Ground is just part of a larger self defense law in FL. For this case, the important part isn't the Stand your Ground part. There are 2 parts of this law relevant to this case:

1) In the SYG hearing a judge makes the decision and George only needs to prove by the preponderance of the evidence (a much easier standard to fulfill) that George acted in self defense. It throws out all state criminal charges before a jury even hears the evidence.

2) If George is successful at this point, then there can be no civil actions against him. Remember OJ? He was ruled “not guilty” but still had to pay civil damages. If, on the other hand, George is ruled not guilty after a trial, then the vultures can come out and go after his assets (probably meager) but also the assets of the homeowners assoc. and even the city of Sanford.

Of course, the feds could also (and probably will) go after George. I think it is significant that the probable cause affidavit said that George muttered “fu..ing punks” instead of “fu..ing c..ns” It makes it much harder for the feds to claim racial animus on George's part.

127 posted on 04/23/2012 9:00:21 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Keith in Iowa

I had not jumped to any conclusion re toxicology tests.


128 posted on 04/23/2012 9:15:55 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Unless he punched Zimmerman with his iced tea bottle, there should be some bruising.

Someone a few days ago, maybe a couple of weeks, that there would likely be no bruising developing when no blood was circulating a few moments after the punch he was said to deliver. So no marks from that. (???)

129 posted on 04/23/2012 10:13:20 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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To: imardmd1

You got me digging through forensic texts. Found this FWIW:

http://books.google.com/books?id=syrDDSX3UPMC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=perimortem+bruises&source=bl&ots=rBzi0-4BvC&sig=mYdzZbP-d6YXJVgouqr5OIceTk0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BzuWT637Hsae2gWbrfnYDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=perimortem%20bruises&f=false

It’d also be interesting to know if Zimmerman’s DNA was found. A complicating issue there would be whether the hands were bagged at the scene. Watching the details of the forensic evidence always fascinates me in these cases.


130 posted on 04/23/2012 10:41:06 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Everybody knows that if a dispatcher tells you not to something it is illegal for you to do it anyway.”

IIRC the dispatcher said “we don’t need you to do that”. Just another little lie the MSM has convinced us about by repeating and repeating.


131 posted on 04/23/2012 10:56:09 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: Kenny500c

Yes, thief


132 posted on 04/24/2012 3:01:35 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: TexasCajun
No doubt in my mind that if “Little Trayvon” had gotten Mr. Zimmerman’s gun away from him, he would have shot him dead on the spot.

...and then would have posted his little 'gangsta' video on YouTube without a whimper from anyone...

133 posted on 04/24/2012 3:05:16 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Chewbarkah

I base my admittedly wild speculation on Martin’s drug use on a few things.

1. The reason he was in Sanford in the first place was that he had been expelled from school in the Miami area...for having a baggie with residue.

2. The Wagist site has some screen captures of people’s homage to Martin, after he died. At least two show photos of a rolled up ‘blunt’....giving some indication that MJ was a big part of his life.

3. The Wagist site has a screen cap of a Twitter from one of Martin’s friends...the friend asks where Martin is, and says he needs a ‘plant’...i.e. weed.

So, it seems pretty likely he was a drug user...or at least in the sales and marketing department.

And back to the night of the shooting - it was supposedly bad weather. And Martin presumably had the apartment to himself (if not, somebody would have noticed his lack of return, and associated it with the gunshot and 7 hour police presence in the neighborhood).

I can certainly understand going to make a candy run..but I’ve got the apartment to myself, the NBA all-star game is about to start, the weather is bad, I’m on the phone with my girlfriend...I’m making it a quick candy run. Which leads to my assumption that he may have been burning more than time.

Which finally leads to Zimmerman’s phone call, in which he states that he thinks Martin may be on drugs.

Just my opinion...wild speculation really....time will tell.


134 posted on 04/24/2012 6:21:59 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: MindBender26

The truth can only be found from looking at pictures of Trayvon from when he was 10 years old. We need more of that. More baby pictures. Oh, and we need to start calling him an “honor student”. I’m amazed at how many people have fallen for this crap. Even a fair number of Freepers. Pathetic.


135 posted on 04/24/2012 6:30:23 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: MindBender26
"SD is a defense before the jury."

Oh lordy....are you THAT ignorant?

Are you REALLY saying that self defense can ONLY be claimed before a jury?

Are you REALLY saying that the hundreds, thousands, of cases annually where the claim of self defense is upheld and no trial is held, are the result of a judge ruling SYG?

Really?

136 posted on 04/24/2012 8:31:58 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost

The answers to your foolish questions are:

No

No, but usually

Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SG

Yes

In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”


137 posted on 04/24/2012 8:38:53 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: diogenes ghost

The answers to your foolish questions are:

No

No, but usually

Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SG

Yes

In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”


138 posted on 04/24/2012 8:39:35 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: diogenes ghost

The answers to your foolish questions are:

No

No, but usually

Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SD

Yes

In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”


139 posted on 04/24/2012 8:40:04 AM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: MindBender26
Wow...three posts to answer a simple question.

Are you aware that every day, in every major city in the country, charges are not brought, or dismissed by a judge, in assault, battery, manslaughter and other cases by the simple application of justification by reason of self defense?

It has no connection to SYG, Castle Doctrine, or any other recent laws. It has existed forever and needs no other justification.

By the by, when one is on the ground, unable to escape, how can one apply SYG, which is intended to allow self defense when there IS an opportunity to escape.

Conversely, in the same situation, self defense certainly applies.

So, self defense, a doctrine recognized throughout history is foolish in your eyes?

140 posted on 04/24/2012 10:35:12 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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