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Armed standoff between Wen Jiabao's and Zhou Yongkang's troops over Bo Xilai's subordinate
Chosun Ilbo ^ | April 21, 2012 | Chosun Daily News

Posted on 04/23/2012 3:04:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

Wen JiaBao’s PLA unit and Zhou YongKang’s security force were in a standoff, over the custody of Xu Ming, an associate of Bo XiLai. Eventually Zhou’s force was driven out. Zhou is an ally of Bo XiLai. Wen was investigating Bo.

Zhou gained custody of Xu Ming first on Mar. 14. On Mar. 19, Wen found out and ordered that Xu Ming be turned over to him. But Zhou resisted. He had Xu moved to another location, but on the way they lost custody of Xu to Wen’s people. Zhou then deployed a security force to regain custody of Xu. Zhou’s force surrounded ZhongNanHai, where Xu had apparently been taken. They got into a standoff with the PLA unit 8341*, which was in charge of ZhongNanHai. They were all armed and the two groups were in a yelling match late into the night. Eventually the PLA unit drove out Zhou’s forces.

Afterwards, Zhou was investigated for the incident and wrote self-criticisms**.

Xu Ming is currently being detained and investigated in regard to Bo XiLai’s case.

* Unit 8341 is basically a palace guard unit with 8000 troops.

** He wasn't purged, presumably because such a move could have ignited a wider conflict between his supporters and Wen's partisans.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.chosun.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boxilai; china
Blog commenter jk6411 at the Marmot's Hole was kind enough to translate this Korean language news item for me. Bottom line is that the facade of lockstep agreement in dictatorships is just that - a facade.
1 posted on 04/23/2012 3:04:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei
Armed standoff between Wen Jiabao's and Zhou Yongkang's troops over Bo Xilai's subordinate

well, that explains it.

2 posted on 04/23/2012 3:06:11 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

To some of us ignoramus’s a little context might be in order.

Same thing with that Chinese intrigue. It takes a little while to get past the Zing Xing Zang Bo stuff.


3 posted on 04/23/2012 3:10:19 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Here’s a scorecard:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Jiabao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhou_Yongkang

I presume your Internet is down or you haven’t chosen a search engine yet.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 3:24:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

It’s not that complicated - it’s the equivalent of thousands of armed Federal personnel divided along partisan lines squaring off against each other. All this with the military potentially dividing along factional lines and getting together the logistical requirements for martial law within areas under their control and a prolonged military campaign against rival factions. How close China came to civil war, we can only wonder...


5 posted on 04/23/2012 3:27:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Yep! Sounds like a runaway game of grabass.


6 posted on 04/23/2012 3:28:27 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: Zhang Fei
So, there was an armed standoff at the Zongnanhai leadership “compound” in Beijing between the supporters of Bo and his semi-private militia and those of Wen and the PLA palace guard.

So, essentially those coup rumors on Chinese blogs that the Party went to so much trouble to suppress were true, even though it seems that the Bo supporters stood down before any actual shooting erupted.

If Bo's supporters can pull a stunt like this in Beijing, just imagine what they might be capable of in Chongqing.

7 posted on 04/23/2012 3:31:23 PM PDT by mojito
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; 1010RD
Same thing with that Chinese intrigue. It takes a little while to get past the Zing Xing Zang Bo stuff.

Wow. "Chinese intrigue?" You mean, like, uh, their names?

It's not a damn bit of difference between knowing who Jo Bi Den, O Ba Ma and Xian Bay Nor are.

Why demand that someone else set the table for you? Go get your own plate and serve yourself at the info buffet.

8 posted on 04/23/2012 3:32:45 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Zhang Fei; 1010RD

Before either of you guys correct me in post #8, I figured that the ordering of last name first might be too much muddling the point for our Okie friend, so will you pardon my oversimplification?! =)


9 posted on 04/23/2012 3:35:39 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Zhang Fei

so the War Lord period cycle is occurring again!


10 posted on 04/23/2012 3:37:13 PM PDT by Reily
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To: mojito
If Bo's supporters can pull a stunt like this in Beijing, just imagine what they might be capable of in Chongqing.

Zhou Yongkang was China's Interior Minister. You may have heard of the expression Interior Ministry troops. Basically, Zhou had an army of paramilitary police (1m People's Armed Police) at his disposal. However, to mobilize the key military leaders for a coup would have taken a lot more time just for horse-trading. Zhou's timid response indicates that he wasn't willing to go all the way, which was probably another reason why he was kept on in the Politburo Standing Committee (which comprise 9 of China's most powerful pols, including Xi Jinping, Wen Jiabao and Hu Jintao). Still, if gunfire had broken out, I suspect Zhou would have had no choice but to win or die trying.

11 posted on 04/23/2012 3:42:21 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Hadn't seen this before:

“On the day that former Chongqing boss Bo Xilai was removed from all his Chinese Communist Party posts and his wife announced to be a murder suspect, a mob of at least 10,000 people took over the streets of one of the municipality's distant districts.

The crowds hurled rocks at security officers and smashed or set fire to more than a dozen police cars before reinforcements arrived to lock things down.

The chaos was not sparked by Bo's dismissal. Instead, public anger had exploded about reductions in medical insurance and social security after the merger of two of Chongqing’s districts.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/23/2763762/in-bo-xilai-scandal-chinas-national.html

12 posted on 04/23/2012 3:55:42 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Zhang Fei

So... Xu’s on first?


13 posted on 04/23/2012 4:03:03 PM PDT by 386wt
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To: Zhang Fei

Started reading this and all I could think was, “Xu’s on first?”


14 posted on 04/23/2012 4:03:22 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Zhang Fei

This will be going in someone’s personnel jacket.


15 posted on 04/23/2012 4:25:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Zhang Fei

It’s amazing how this news has not travelled much in southern China. My wife just came home from Xiamen, and her family knew nothing about any of this. No surprise though.


16 posted on 04/23/2012 4:29:00 PM PDT by datura (Democrat = Communist)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Here’s a little song that might help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC862O-EOf4


17 posted on 04/23/2012 4:40:13 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Zhang Fei
I didn't realize that Zhou was both Interior/Internal Security Minister and on the Politburo Standing Committee. In those positions he would be both Bo's superior and mentor.

That makes this little altercation in Beijing even more serious, as the standoff was between the most senior Party leadership. It would be akin to having forces loyal to Harry Reid and Joe Biden having an armed confrontation in Georgetown.

18 posted on 04/23/2012 4:45:53 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito
So, essentially those coup rumors on Chinese blogs that the Party went to so much trouble to suppress were true, even though it seems that the Bo supporters stood down before any actual shooting erupted.

If Bo's supporters can pull a stunt like this in Beijing, just imagine what they might be capable of in Chongqing.


I don't think a lot of people realize both how crazy, and how serious this is. If it had turned into a shooting match, I can't imagine how quickly and far it would have spread, since there are a lot of groups and politicians who would take advantage of it.
19 posted on 04/23/2012 4:55:06 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Zhang Fei

This is similar to the MVD and the Russian Army standoff of 1991.


20 posted on 04/23/2012 4:59:18 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: af_vet_rr

“How close China came to civil war, we can only wonder...”

Very close, I imagine.


21 posted on 04/23/2012 5:03:24 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: mojito; Zhang Fei

About twenty years ago I met a Chinese student who claimed to be the daughter of a Red Chinese leader who’d revolted against the central authorities and had control of the local forces in his province. He’d sent her and the family to the US for their safety and she was studying finance. I always thought her story interesting, like the Gov. of Arizona in open armed conflict with DC, but didn’t think it was really true or fully accurate. Now I think she very much might have been telling the truth.


22 posted on 04/23/2012 5:41:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: sam_paine

Being a simple-minded American I found myself placing name order correctly and wondering who is Bi Den Jo, Ba Ma O and Bay Nor Xian. Thanks for the clarification. ;-]


23 posted on 04/23/2012 5:44:42 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Zhang Fei

Interesting Times for sure. (Which in and of itself appears to be a myth - apparently there is no such Chinese curse - “May you live in Interesting Times”).


24 posted on 04/23/2012 8:56:26 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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