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Commentary: Ann Coulter Says Blacks Need More Guns
bet.com ^ | 23 April, 2012 | Cord Jefferson

Posted on 04/23/2012 6:56:40 PM PDT by marktwain

Did you ever think you’d live to see the day when you could make a Venn diagram for ultraconservative commentator Ann Coulter and historic Black leader Malcolm X? Well, if you’re reading this, you’ve lived to see that day.

In an interview on Bill O’Reilly’s Fox News program last week, Coulter said that, in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting, African-Americans should begin arming themselves.

Here’s the full context of the conversation:

Coulter: We are going to have a trial, but I was just making the point that if what [MSNBC] is claiming happened — that George Zimmerman stalked this young black child just because he was black, shot him dead in cold blood — if that's the case, well, the reaction isn't the conclusion they're coming to on the left which is oh, we need more gun control. Gun control laws have been used historically, they were — they were to keep guns out of the hands of blacks and it was the Republican Party and the NRA that has always supported arming blacks in order to protect themselves from the democratic Ku Klux Klan.

O'Reilly: All right so what you're saying is if MSNBC and NBC News's hypothesis is true that this was a racially biased driven murder, that all African-Americans should take that as a warning sign and arm themselves against that happening to them, therefore, they should support the NRA. They should support the law that gives, allows you to fight back if threatened, and they should arm themselves. That's what you're saying?

Coulter: Yes.

Call Coulter what you’d like, but she is correct when she says that gun laws from early American history were enacted specifically to disarm African-Americans. But is she right in saying that Blacks need to arm themselves for their protection? Not so fast.

This from an article in the National Bureau of Economic Research:

After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent. Duggan finds that about one-third of the gun-homicide decline since 1993 is explained by the fall in gun ownership. The largest declines occur in areas with the largest reductions in firearm ownership.

In times of loss, it’s tempting to get angry, and in that anger we can wish some awful things. If you find yourself wishing that Trayvon Martin was armed the night he was killed, stop.

Statistics show that an uptick in handguns means an uptick in homicides and death. And would anything be better if Trayvon had also shot his killer, George Zimmerman? Or what if Trayvon shot first and then was, himself, the one facing second-degree murder charges? Would that have been a better outcome?

Go ahead and mourn the loss of Trayvon — it’s a sad, tragic thing. But wishing for more guns on the streets, as Coulter is doing, is shortsighted. It’s what got us in this mess in the first place.

The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of BET Networks.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; constitution; coulter
In order to prop up the fantasy that more guns lead to more crime, they put forward the flawed Duggan "working paper" that relied on problematic gun magazine sales as a proxy for gun ownership! John Lott explains the problems at his site.

Duggan actually seems a serious researcher. A better study that he was involved in with gun shows showed that homicides declined in a statistically significant way in the two weeks following gun shows in Texas.

1 posted on 04/23/2012 6:56:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Does Coulter realize she just gave Obama another idea for a government program?


2 posted on 04/23/2012 7:01:23 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: maggief; onyx; STARWISE; LucyT; kristinn; 2ndDivisionVet; Cboldt; basil
Saw the show. O’Really was thrown off. He didn't expect to hear her comments.
3 posted on 04/23/2012 7:01:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: aquila48

Cash for Gatts for blacks?


4 posted on 04/23/2012 7:04:46 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: marktwain

Coulter is right. More law abiding blacks should arm themselves. They need the personal protection and they shouldn’t let the thugs in their community define them.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 7:05:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: aquila48
Some programs should be encouraged. But this is one 0baMao will never support.

“The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace in the world… The first step – in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come – is to teach men to shoot!”

– President Theodore Roosevelt


6 posted on 04/23/2012 7:11:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain

Yo Cord!
All the law abiding black folks I know are armed.

It’s the unlawful ones that shouldn’t be armed, and that goes for whites as well.

We have laws that cover that already.


7 posted on 04/23/2012 7:16:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: TigersEye

Amen


8 posted on 04/23/2012 7:17:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: marktwain
Statistics show that an uptick in handguns means an uptick in homicides and death.

No they don't.

9 posted on 04/23/2012 7:19:33 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: hoosiermama
O’Really was thrown off.

Anything that shuts O'Reilly up - even for a second - is a good thing.

10 posted on 04/23/2012 7:22:41 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: TigersEye

“. . . encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes. . . “

One view of “Band of Brothers” is the aspect that most of those guys kept themselves and others alive while winning the battle and eventually the war by being good at shooting. It is obvious this skill was developed while they were kids, shooting squirrels and whatever. Their expertise was not taught in basic training.


11 posted on 04/23/2012 7:26:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TigersEye

Coulter is right. More law abiding blacks should arm themselves. They need the personal protection and they shouldn’t let the thugs in their community define them.
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Hear, hear!!!! They shouldn’t have to wait on the police to show up!

I live next to a black community in our town. They had a really, bad problem with crack houses and thugs and the police wouldn’t even go into their area. Then, the community ‘took care of bid-ness’. Problem.....solved!!!! Good stuff! I applaud them!!!!!


12 posted on 04/23/2012 7:30:39 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: marktwain

Every individual citizen should have at least a 3-gun battery: hand gun; shotgun; and a rifle. Plus sufficient ammunition and accoutrements for that battery. We would all be safer, IMHO.


13 posted on 04/23/2012 7:31:43 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: marktwain
guncontrol is racist
14 posted on 04/23/2012 7:45:08 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: marktwain

If she thinks they need them for protection from White racists, she is full of horseshit.

There are many fine Black people who would be fine being armed against the criminal element in most Black areas, especially in metropolitan areas.


15 posted on 04/23/2012 7:47:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: marktwain

I disagree. Look at the crime statistics. Please, no.


16 posted on 04/23/2012 8:26:59 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: marktwain

So the woman pushes a candidate for president, Mitt Romney, who bans such weaponry.

Well, such lack of moral or political consistency does make her the perfect Romney Republican, I suppose.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 8:32:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('A man with God is always in the majority.' -- John Knox)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent.

I don't believe this junk for a minute. Gun ownership fell during the Clinton administration? He was the original Gun Salesman of the Year with his AWB. The last guns shows before the AWB went into effect were astronomical! I think this author is flat out lying.

18 posted on 04/23/2012 8:34:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

The campaign against “Saturday Night Specials” that drove Lorcin and others out of business took low priced pistols away from folks in poor ares who needed them for protection from the vermin in their neighborhoods.

Most guns used in crime are stolen and dirt bags don’t legally by guns for their activities. Almost all the low priced handguns were legally bought for personal protection. A $ 1,100 Kimber is out of the price range for many folks.


19 posted on 04/23/2012 8:54:05 PM PDT by alpo
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To: alpo

Oops. “areas”


20 posted on 04/23/2012 8:56:09 PM PDT by alpo
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To: alpo

I once had a saturday night special .22 pistol. I swear you could shoot at a 55 gallon barrel from 10 feet and you might hit and you might not.


21 posted on 04/23/2012 10:39:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross

True, but the guy staring down the barrel may not wait to find out.
Most folks leave the area when a gun is involved.


22 posted on 04/23/2012 10:54:36 PM PDT by alpo
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To: TigersEye
More law abiding blacks should arm themselves. They need the personal protection and they shouldn’t let the thugs in their community define them.

Hmmm. If the bus driver Trayvon had beaten down a few days before he got shot had been carrying a gun of his own, then Trayvon would naver have appeared in the community George Zimmerman lived in.

Makes sense. If more blacks owned and carried, the thugs would never make it out of the hood alive, to prey on outgroups.

23 posted on 04/24/2012 12:04:02 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: marktwain

BEGIN???


24 posted on 04/24/2012 2:20:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: marktwain
I have scrutinized two of Lott's books, statistical studies of the impact of gun ownership and passage of CCDW licensing, especially in "shall issue" states.

Now if you also read his work closely, you will see where some of the greatest drops in violent crime occur, from the point when law-abiding members of these groupings become enabled to carry a concealed deadly weapon:

o urban communities

o black citizens

o adult women

Putting an even sharper point on this -- where could the greatest benefit in reducing violent crimes be realized?

Obviously, in crimes against the even narrower segment of -- black urban women.

And where does one find the most resounding passionate desire for greater and broader gun control, and resistance to personal gun ownership?

Amongst black urban women!

Go figure.

25 posted on 04/24/2012 2:29:29 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Truth in journalism -- impossible? No, when reported without malice)
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To: lentulusgracchus
...bus driver Trayvon...

Has the shadowy 'bus driver' been identified?

Given a statement?

Named?

26 posted on 04/24/2012 2:34:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Peter from Rutland

“I disagree. Look at the crime statistics. Please, no.”

That’s because of a different problem - we also need the “black community” to embrace decent principles and ethics in general as a whole. Right now there’s a significant percentage that essentially embrace evil.

As other posters said, let the lawful ones arm themselves. The unlawful ones already have...


27 posted on 04/24/2012 4:28:36 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: aquila48
Does Coulter realize she just gave Obama another idea for a government program?

You don't think all that money was for 'organizing', do you? Solar panels? Pie in the sky? Bailing out big banks?

My bet is that there are parts of the population which have been well armed at taxpayer expense, and I'm not even counting the Mexican Drug Cartels.

28 posted on 04/24/2012 5:09:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TigersEye

After peaking in 1993, gun homicides in the United States dropped 36 percent by 1998, while non-gun homicides declined only 18 percent. In that same period, the fraction of households with at least one gun fell from more than 42 percent to less than 35 percent.

Fewer Americans admit to having a gun in the home. Have you noticed how doctors now ask if there’s a firearm in the house? My answer is always no and I’ll bet a lot of people answer polls as I do a physician’s inquiry.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 5:48:42 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: Elsie
Has the shadowy 'bus driver' been identified?

No, not that I know of. The reference I saw was to a Trayvon post to his social media site, gloating about it, the poster said. I didn't see Trayvon's post myself.

30 posted on 04/24/2012 8:59:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Boomer One
My answer is always no ...

Wrong answer:

Why do you ask? Are you planning a home invasion?

31 posted on 04/24/2012 10:04:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Boomer One

They ask one; you ask two.

Put THEM on the defensive!


32 posted on 04/24/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Boomer One
If there really is a drop in firearm's ownership numbers you have probably nailed the reason why. I haven't been asked by a doctor whether I own guns but I wouldn't answer if he did. I wouldn't answer a phone survey about it either.
33 posted on 04/24/2012 11:29:56 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain

Blacks stole my guns. What are her plans to get my guns back to me.


34 posted on 04/24/2012 6:24:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: marktwain

Blacks stole my guns. What are her plans to get my guns back to me.


35 posted on 04/24/2012 6:24:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: marktwain

Blacks stole my guns. What are her plans to get my guns back to me.


36 posted on 04/24/2012 6:24:58 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: marktwain

Blacks stole my guns. What are her plans to get my guns back to me.


37 posted on 04/24/2012 6:24:58 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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