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Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings [Where's The Revolution?]
FoxNews ^ | April 23, 2012 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:23 PM PDT by Steelfish

Proposed Law Would Force Churches to Host Gay Weddings

Apr 23, 2012 By Todd Starnes Religious liberty groups are blasting a proposed ordinance that would force churches in Hutchinson, Kan. to rent their facilities for gay weddings and gay parties.

The Hutchinson City Council will consider adding sexual orientation and gender identity to the protected classes in the city’s human relations code. They are expected to vote on the changes next month.

According to the Hutchinson Human Relations Commission, churches that rent out their buildings to the general public would not be allowed to discriminate “against a gay couple who want to rent the building for a party.”

Meryl Dye, a spokesperson for the Human Relations Commission confirmed to Fox News that churches would be subjected to portions of the proposed law.

“They would not be able to discriminate against gay and lesbian or transgender individuals,” Dye said. “That type of protection parallels to what you find in race discrimination. If a church provides lodging or rents a facility they could not discriminate based on race. It’s along that kind of thinking.”

Matthew Staver, chairman of the Liberty Counsel Action, told Fox News the proposed law is “un-American.”

“It is a collision course between religious freedom and the LGBT agenda,” Staver said. “This proposed legislation will ultimately override the religious freedom that is protected under the First Amendment.”

(Excerpt) Read more at radio.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda

1 posted on 04/23/2012 10:23:26 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
...churches that rent out their buildings to the general public would not be allowed to discriminate...

What it means is that they will stop renting to anybody.

2 posted on 04/23/2012 10:28:39 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: Steelfish

If this happens, I hope it is immediately stayed by a court. It’s a blatant violation of freedom of religion.


3 posted on 04/23/2012 10:32:46 PM PDT by CountryClassSF
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To: Steelfish

Heyyyyyy! I have an idea!

Go to Hell and Burn!

Nothing like a lame ordinance in a vain attempt to undermine the 1st amendment.

It will never pass a challenge.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 10:32:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Steelfish

In my hometown the Baptist Church is made of white brick. The church built a building across the street and matched the brick. It is rented out to the general public. One day a black woman called and wanted to use the building. She was told the fee and the woman said they couldn’t charge her a fee because it is a government building. When asked why she thought it was a government building she said “Because all buildings made of white brick are government buildings.”

I have a feeling before too long the church will have to start allowing certain people to use it for free.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 10:33:33 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Steelfish

Separation of church and government works both ways. If you decide to step on my toes, all bets are off.


6 posted on 04/23/2012 10:35:27 PM PDT by factoryrat (e are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Steelfish

Whatever happened to private property rights? If I have a building I should be able to rent it to whomever I please. A church is privately owned.

If not then why can the NAACP boot Alan West and still maintain it’s tax free status?


7 posted on 04/23/2012 10:41:00 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." Peter Griffin - FAMILY GUY)
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To: Steelfish

Hutch? Really? WTF?

I guess I need to grab a paper the next time I’m in the convenience store.


8 posted on 04/23/2012 10:41:17 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Steelfish

I think that new city elections are due, immediately.

Try the “recall” process against these leftist aholes.

Remember, Sebelius once ran Kansas, right into the leftist cesspool and now she’s doing it to the country.

It is time that the taxpayers of Hutchinson took control of their city and cleaned house with Ex-Lax. Then abolish the Human Rights Commission/COuncil/Outhouse.


9 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:38 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Steelfish; All

As far as religious freedom being protected at this level, check out the following FR thread and read a couple of paragraphs from the bottom of butterdezillion’s posting about Romney:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2875441/posts

(I know you’re no Newt fan, but try to ignore that and check out the freedom of religion points of the post :-)

Scary stuff.


10 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:09 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Crazieman

Your spelling is horrible! As a male 1/20th native lesbian I must agree with something! I’LL USE SOME CAPS!!!!


11 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:31 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Terry Mross
Whatever happened to private property rights?

Surely you jest.

12 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:44 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: verklaring
That is the entire point. They are taking away a revenue stream for the purpose of hurting them financially.
13 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:49 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: verklaring

Two Words: Private Donation - i.e. you let church members have the hall or wedding for free and then ask for a private donation of over a certain amount.

Mel


14 posted on 04/23/2012 11:07:08 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: CountryClassSF

Looks like the time to choose between obeying God’s laws or man’s laws will be soon upon the whole nation. If abominable
laws like this pass at the local level,look for it nationally.


15 posted on 04/23/2012 11:19:55 PM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Steelfish
Perfect example of how gay "rights" isn't about procuring rights, it's about removing them -- taking away peoples' right to turn away open homosexuality peacefully and civilly.

Any business or organization can voluntarily pretend "marry" publicly two people of the same sex, and they're perfectly free to do so, and gay couples can behave as they please. By the same token, if churches and businesses and organizations and communities opt to turn away any dealings with openly homosexual "customers," that's their right, too. Gay "rights" seek to deny that right, and anti-discrimination laws have gone a long way to fomenting footing for an immoral lifestyle that's now infecting teens.

Limited government conservative philosophy is one that's a friend to morality -- the biggest opponent to Americans' living morally IS the government!

16 posted on 04/23/2012 11:37:26 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Steelfish

What about the mosque up the street?


17 posted on 04/23/2012 11:56:32 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Steelfish

Reductio ad absurdum: Definition:a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd consequence.

Example:

A Hutchinson Church probibits marriage as being one other than between a man and a woman.

A proposed descrimination ordinance would prohibit all churches in Hutchinson, Kan. from renting out their facilities for gay wedding.

Therefore, churches in Hutchinson Kansas are free to practice their religion.


18 posted on 04/24/2012 12:18:25 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Steelfish
Where's The Revolution?

Law hasn't been passed yet, only proposed. Time for revolution.. when and if it passes. Or Obama implements the policy by executive order, stating, "We Can't Wait" or some other happy horse pucky, like he did when the EPA declared CO2 to be a pollutant. (Nobody asked the trees and other green plants). Or when he mandated that Churches and religious institutions such as hospitals run by religious orders, would have to pay for birth control if they offered health insurance to their employees.

19 posted on 04/24/2012 12:38:57 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

There are 42k residents of the city. If you use known statistics...the Catholic, Baptist, and Christian Churches in the area make up around 27 percent of the population. I could count the Methodists for 17 percent...but I suspect that they might have been the ones behind this law change.

I’m pretty sure if they all united under one umbrella...they could pull down at least one member of the city council. If you note their city gov’t....it consists of one mayor, one vice-mayor, one at-large city council person, and two other city council folks.

But let me add this. Someone has likely come along with an agenda to divide the town. Some naive individuals have sat in a meeting and bought off on various rule changes....without really considering where it leads to. I think the ultimate goal here....divide up the town into two camps and keep them focused on some division. They didn’t have to pick on this church rule....but obviously, it was pulled out of a magician’s hat and made into a division topic.


20 posted on 04/24/2012 12:47:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Steelfish

I said this would happen if the right to “marriage” was given to them. Not many agreed with me.


21 posted on 04/24/2012 3:32:00 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

This is nothing. Wait until Catholic Chaplains on military bases are told to perform marriage ceremonies or get tossed off the bases.

Imagine a military with no Chaplains.

It’s coming as sure as the sun rises.


22 posted on 04/24/2012 3:46:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Steelfish

This is happening in Kansas? I’d expect it to be somewhere in California.


23 posted on 04/24/2012 4:01:04 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: verklaring
"What it means is that they will stop renting to anybody."

No, just stop renting to non-members of the Church.

24 posted on 04/24/2012 4:02:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Terry Mross
IIRC this all began with the Civil Rights Act. It wasn't enough to ban racial discrimination by government. The law stepped into private associations.

Sorry, if I do not wish to do business or associate with whomever, on whatever criteria I wish to use, it should be my decision and not the d@mn government.

25 posted on 04/24/2012 4:29:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Steelfish

As a Christian I could NOT perform /nor allow such blasphemy be allowed desecrate Sacred Ground. If Hutchinson KS chooses to REPROBATE and make all there be as Sodom or like unto Gomorrah it is high time for the righteous to hear the prophet and “Come out of her My people!” God knows how to provide salvation to the righteous but Hutchinson KS ought consider what will happen when God cannot find even ten righteous men in that wicked City?


26 posted on 04/24/2012 5:02:03 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: verklaring

Several years ago our congregation already adopted a resolution that we will only allow use of our building to church members, or those whom are sponsored by members, in anticipation of Maryland allowing same sex marriage.


27 posted on 04/24/2012 5:12:09 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: Jacquerie

“...this all began with the Civil Rights Act.”

__________________________________

No, it began with a false interpretation/perversion of the Civil Rights Act.


28 posted on 04/24/2012 5:22:48 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Venturer

I still don’t understand this need, both by apostate Catholics and the government, for the sacrament of Matrimony! Marriage, so far as most governments are concerned,is a civil union, and those governments accept reception of the sacrament as proof of the civil union (although France and perhaps other European countries require a separate civil ceremony). There can’t be any question at all that this administration, along with the gay-lesbian community, need the complicity of the Church to accomplish their social-engineering ends. And it’s not going to happen.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 5:32:54 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Steelfish
“Hey Wally I don't think this will help the Democrats next November, do you?” “No Beav, not very much.”
30 posted on 04/24/2012 6:23:40 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: verklaring
My club's hall isn't handicapped accessible. So we only rent it out to “members”.
31 posted on 04/24/2012 7:01:58 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Venturer

The Enterprise Task Force got deployed with no Catholic Chaplain.


32 posted on 04/24/2012 7:04:00 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Steelfish

That’s easy enough to deal with... Church Facilities may only be rented to active members in good standing.

Most rentals are to civic organizations that at least 1 member of the churhc is part of anyway... so problem solved, heretics stifled,

That and you sue the city for violation of the freedom of association and freedom of religion clauses for damages in the meantime.


33 posted on 04/24/2012 7:26:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: massgopguy

I guess that makes it all right then?


34 posted on 04/24/2012 9:15:08 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Terry Mross

It’s all about the new, all-encompassing tool the Leftists have called “public accommodation.” Now, they can deem anything they want a public accommodation, and they have full control.


35 posted on 04/24/2012 12:21:32 PM PDT by fwdude
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