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What next for Marine Le Pen's National Front? [France Has A Growing Right Wing!]
BBC ^ | 4/24/12 | By Hugh Schofield

Posted on 04/24/2012 6:22:30 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

The success of the far-right National Front (FN) in France's presidential election is both new and not new; and it is important to analyse precisely its political and social implications.

What is not new - at least not remarkably so - is the size of Marine Le Pen's vote.

Ms Le Pen polled 6.4 million votes in Sunday's first round, or 17.9% of the total. In 2002 her father Jean-Marie got 16.86% of the vote: 4.8 million overall.

But to make a proper comparison, one should add to that the score of the other far-right candidate in 2002 Bruno Megret, who got 660,000 (2.3%).

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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes, I read that which is precisely why I distinguished her populist statism from America’s fascist statism. That comment was meant to be to her credit.

21 posted on 04/24/2012 10:18:34 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I think it’s like this. In the U.S. it’s mostly groups opposing traditional values that want to give away other peoples money. In France you have the combination of supporting traditional values plus wanting to give away other peoples money. What’s not to like?

22 posted on 04/24/2012 10:34:44 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: conejo99

Not far off. Many of the Europeans replaced their kings and manor lords with the welfare state, so that relying on big government *is* traditional and conservative, and having freedom *is* liberal.

23 posted on 04/24/2012 10:57:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Well, right back at you, thanks for pointing out those particular details.

Every politician has to get political support from somewhere in order to be elected even the first time. So I don’t harbor any delusions that even my favorites, like Jim DeMint, have to have at least some organizations or causes that support them where I’d rather not see support coming from that direction. But of course - if no one supported the guy - he could not get elected ! However, there is a world of difference between the very few, like Mr. DeMint, whose political positions are informed by some sensible interpretation of Scripture and the rest, who simply have no moral guidepost.

In my experience, if the ACU rating is less than 80, it’s practically impossible to look at the voting record details and justify them, since the votes demonstrate no worthy principles, only corruption. IMHO, an ACU rating of 80 would be downright shameful - it would be far better to vote righteously and lose the next election, since this would provide a great foundation for a future run. For politicians, their voting amounts to what I call “horse-trading”, and RINOs are not very good at it.

IMHO, a medical doctor is completely aware of the scientific fact that a fetus, from the time of conception, at the zygote stage, has it’s own DNA; they are in a position of trust - people trust in them to care for human life. In fact, that is their occupation, it’s what they do. I pray they stop and repent.

Regarding the shedding of innocent blood (Matthew Henry’s commentary on this verse is quite useful, IMHO):

Isaiah 59

“1 Behold, the LORD’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

5 They hatch cockatrice’ eggs, and weave the spider’s web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. “

Isaiah 59 in it’s entirety, IMHO, is a treasure of guidance as one studies it more deeply; it presents not only God’s vengeance on the wicked, but of course also a message of hope and redemption, that all are called to fear the Lord and live according to his Word, and those he has chosen he will cause to do just that.

24 posted on 04/24/2012 11:08:18 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; All

Please don’t mistake this as any sort of endorsement of the National Front (several themes of European populism are of serious concern to me) but I do think reading this article is a good idea. It may be a good example of how conservative third-parties, even in a European system, can have the effect of throwing elections to liberals and socialists in the short term.

France’s Turn for the Worse... Europe’s far right has already won
Slate ^ | 5/4/2012 | Yascha Mounk

The French political system is too different from ours for close parallels, but it is clear that the American populism represented by today’s Tea Party and the earlier Reagan Revolution is similar to though not a direct part of a broader Western movement of reaction against liberalism in “mainstream” politics. Our American tradition is very different from that of Europe — and I would say that is a good thing — but grassroots people in both Europe and the United States are realizing that the liberal assumptions which have infected both “conservative” and “liberal” parties are causing major damage and need to be challenged.

The big problem is that returning to the “old ways” in Europe too often means returning to a xenophobic nationalism based on ethnicity and not on ideology. America is a nation of immigrants drawn to an ideal of freedom; that is not necessarily the older heritage for large parts of Europe.

25 posted on 05/05/2012 9:10:08 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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