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Voice of the Martyrs' Tom White's Death an Apparent Suicide Following Molestation Investigation
Christianity Today ^ | 4/20/2012 06:17PM | Jeremy Weber

Posted on 04/24/2012 9:32:38 AM PDT by robowombat

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To: GOPJ

I have no problem with this man or any other man being judged for his crimes. If I were on a jury, I would vote to hang him for molesting a child.

My point was not really about him. You can read the words yourself.


51 posted on 04/24/2012 6:21:34 PM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: fishtank

Perhaps that’s what Judas and Luther used to think.


52 posted on 04/24/2012 7:05:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: GOPJ

No; I didn’t say any of that.

Just to be clear, I was commenting on your judgmental attitude.

Have a good day.


53 posted on 04/24/2012 7:20:37 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: old3030

I’m sure Tom White knew how to ‘act humble’ — if he didn’t he wouldn’t have been able to get as far as he did... Only God knows the truth of our hearts... I’m happy and comfortable within God’s love....


54 posted on 04/24/2012 7:27:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: Notwithstanding

A man is desperate enough to kill himself and your response is a snarky comment... enough said. It tells me everything I need to know about you


55 posted on 04/24/2012 7:29:35 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: .30Carbine
Amen! It so sad!! Let's Pray!! Amen!!

What you wrote is exactly what I thought. The enemy is stepping up the attack. I read Christianity is growing in the areas where this ministry goes. I firmly believe in this ministry.

Thank you!

56 posted on 04/24/2012 7:35:36 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Nifster

A married protestant minister accused of child molestation kills himself
and your main concern

is that
I very effectively made
an important related point

without denigrating
the dead man in any way.


57 posted on 04/24/2012 7:44:28 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Notwithstanding

your point ( and it was shallow and meaningless and way for say you as a catholic to bang on against those terrible protestants) was to rub someone else’s nose in the stink left by all those of any faith who commit sins of an awful nature. How noble of you. How wonderful of you.


58 posted on 04/24/2012 7:54:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Notwithstanding

and by the way your perception of your ‘response’ is at best delusional


59 posted on 04/24/2012 7:55:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I know to you it really stinks that I reminded people of mean and nasty anti-Catholic comments frequently made at FR.


60 posted on 04/24/2012 8:30:43 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: Nifster

Not at all - it was very effective.

It got under your skin, for sure.


61 posted on 04/24/2012 8:32:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Christ Jesus Victor, Ruler, Lord and Redeemer!)
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To: hampdenkid

While much of what you say is undeniably true, false charges would not lead to suicide. There had to be a certain amount of guilt, fear, shame, and - worst - having to face those who he’d hurt. Not to mention in this case loss of livelihood. Suicide is, imo, the cowardly way out, not generally committed by the innocent, absent mental problems.


62 posted on 04/24/2012 8:53:29 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Notwithstanding

Luther?

I don’t understand.


63 posted on 04/25/2012 7:55:03 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I don’t understand what that means. Could you explain please? thanx


64 posted on 04/25/2012 9:03:39 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: .30Carbine
the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household.

You would be hard pressed to convince 'Christians' They are being judged now....note the scripture says 'Begins' with God's Household"........Until those who are called by his name...pray and seek his face and turn away from the practices of liberalism and all other manner of offenses to God within the body of Christ... the churches will remain powerless to stem the tide we see over this nation....lip service isn't getting the work done of taking the stand He has asked us to.

There is a time of Peace and a Time of War against the foes.....the church has 'failed' to identity the enemy as well as the times....there is also a time for Love and a time for hating the actions and behaviors of our own as much as those in the world....the stand must take place within the churches before it can impact the world.

65 posted on 04/26/2012 11:21:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: EDINVA
...”false charges would not lead to suicide. There had to be a certain amount of guilt, fear, shame, and - worst - having to face those who he’d hurt. Not to mention in this case loss of livelihood. Suicide is, imo, the cowardly way out, not generally committed by the innocent, absent mental problems.”.....

I tend to agree with you especially because of the time line involved before his death, and the police investigations of a possible crime against a 10yr. old girl...and White taking his life.

Something was amiss to be sure...and I don't think this had to do with him thinking of anyone other than himself. He abandoned his family to deal with the mess regardless of his guilt or innocence. Then again what if was guilty and there was more than just this one girl?

Bottom line is this type of suicide is generally a selfish act regardless of how the individual might justify his act to himself before taking his life.

Food for thought: Had he been innocent he certainly had the support system in place around him for a ‘Christian Martyr’.....which therefore I tend to say there was some guilt he was unwilling to face and so "escaped".

66 posted on 04/26/2012 12:40:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: stuartcr

A good, accessible book on eternal security is at that link I made:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2875926/posts?page=43#43


67 posted on 04/27/2012 2:16:42 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Since you quoted it, I had expected you to explain it yourself, instead of sending me to a link.


68 posted on 04/28/2012 6:24:34 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: GOPJ

Your statements are rejected because you are not informed well enough to comment about Dr. Tom White.

I said: You do not know what you’re talking about. Please investigate Voice of the Martyrs. There’s more to this work than just making cartoons, as someone insinuated earlier on this thread.


69 posted on 05/08/2012 8:58:39 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: old3030
The child was ten years old. Do you also withhold judgment of Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Dahmer and Gacy. Or is it just pedophiles? Or just folks who's religious beliefs are similar to yours?

I can ‘forgive’ any of the above - that's a spiritual response. But do I condemn the above? You bet your bootie I do... Serial killers belong in prison - or on death row. Men who molest 10 year olds belong in prison...

70 posted on 05/09/2012 7:37:45 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Resettozero
From what I understand the child was ten years old. Do you also withhold judgment of Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Dahmer and Gacy. Or is it just pedophiles? Or just folks who's religious beliefs are similar to yours?

It appears he used his position of trust to take advantage of an innocent. That's unacceptable. I don't care what he did that was 'good'. Tell me something - If a man donates a million dollars to a worthwhile charity, does that give him the right to 'get away' with killing his wife? Is there some kind of 'trade off' that you know about that I don't know about?

People are flawed - we're all sinners.

But while we're here we also have to render unto Caesar... I doubt this man would have gotten the death penalty for molesting a ten year old, but he would have lost many of his worldly powers, wealth and position. Maybe losing everything was part of his spiritual path. A path he was too much of a coward to take. True repentance starts when the laws of remorse are restored in our souls... He needed to come to terms with the harm he had done, ask forgiveness and pay the price for his sin. He didn't do that. He took the cowards way out.

71 posted on 05/09/2012 7:50:31 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: GOPJ

I had just received this news last night and pulled the trigger on a post I should have deleted.

My rejection of what you said is based on your presumption of guilt of this man, whom you obviously do not know.

There is so much more to this story; my radar has gone off. Some observers are theorizing he may not have died. Voice of the Martyrs reaches into governments around the world to do their work. This has to do with much more than what’s been reported. And I do not believe TW was a sexual predator.


72 posted on 05/09/2012 8:31:12 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
My rejection of what you said is based on your presumption of guilt of this man, whom you obviously do not know.

My 'presumption of guilt' is based on the reality that people don't kill themselves over false accusations. By choosing death over a court of law, he made the declaration of his guilt... I just observed it.

73 posted on 05/09/2012 10:07:59 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Resettozero
...famous remark by his fellow physicist Steven Weinberg that "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion."[44] Weinberg's statement is true as far as it goes, but it is not the whole truth. To make it the whole truth, we must add an additional clause: "And for bad people to do good things—that [also] takes religion." The main point of Christianity is that it is a religion for sinners. Jesus made that very clear. When the Pharisees asked his disciples, "Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?" he said, "I come to call not the righteous but sinners to repentance." Only a small fraction of sinners repent and do good things but only a small fraction of good people are led by their religion to do bad things.

From wikipedia - on Dyson... thought you would enjoy.

74 posted on 05/11/2012 10:17:38 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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