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MILITARY: Female Marines to get combat assignments
NC Times ^ | April 24, 2012 | Mark Walker

Posted on 04/24/2012 2:26:42 PM PDT by jazusamo

The Marine Corps said Tuesday that it is taking another step toward allowing women to serve in combat roles.

Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant, said selected groups of female Marines will get combat unit assignments later this year as part of a study on the appropriateness of women on the battlefield.

Amos announced the initiative in a message posted on a service website.

The program calls for assigning women officers, gunnery sergeants and staff sergeants to combat artillery, tank, amphibious, engineer and assault units.

Current law restricts women from serving in direct combat in all but a few assignments, such as motor transport or aircraft crews.

But in practice women have served in combat jobs as special "attachments" during the Iraq war and in Afghanistan. More than 140 U.S. military women have been killed in the wars.

Last year, Congress ordered a review of the policy formally excluding women from combat roles.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta took that a further step in February by directing the services assign women to some combat roles and study the results.

(Excerpt) Read more at nctimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bam; combat; marines; usmc; women
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1 posted on 04/24/2012 2:26:52 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: smoothsailing; Lancey Howard; xzins; Gene Eric

Marine Ping!

Kinda surprised at Gen. Amos.


2 posted on 04/24/2012 2:28:52 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Never let a woman fight my battles in my life.

I’m ashamed to see my Country do it.


3 posted on 04/24/2012 2:29:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: jazusamo

Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant, said selected groups of female Marines will get combat unit assignments later this year as part of a study on the appropriateness of women on the battlefield.

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More politically correct social engineering. The Pentagon brass-holes aren’t happy enough with shoving queers into the mix, they also want women.


4 posted on 04/24/2012 2:31:46 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Concur.

I also don’t want one driving me...


5 posted on 04/24/2012 2:32:23 PM PDT by benewton
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Concur.

I also don’t want one driving me...


6 posted on 04/24/2012 2:32:37 PM PDT by benewton
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing; Lancey Howard; P-Marlowe; Gene Eric

Idiots. They won’t have strength to put a round in a tube, nor to change track on a tracked vehicle, or carry a buddy to an aid station.

The basic concept of combat is winning. They are making it equal opportunity.


7 posted on 04/24/2012 2:33:45 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

Women in the military (WIMP) is BS and will get marines killed. But they don’t care all in the name of PC.


8 posted on 04/24/2012 2:34:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins

It’s the new American military. Political correctness trumps combat effectiveness.


9 posted on 04/24/2012 2:35:34 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: xzins
The basic concept of combat is winning. They are making it equal opportunity.

They want to level the playing field and give our enemies an "equal opportunity" to kill our soldiers.

10 posted on 04/24/2012 2:35:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: benewton

Unless and until a female in full battle rattle is also able to carry a 200 pound Marine ALSO in full battle rattle OUT of harms way, if injured....said female has no business in a Marine combat unit! (This includes butch dykes serving as part of the DADT social experiment! (SPIT!!
And I hasten to add, I say that as a WOMAN that retired after 30 years in the military.


11 posted on 04/24/2012 2:36:10 PM PDT by MagUSNRET (I have always been proud of my country, it is my government that I am ashamed of!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Responsibility2nd

Agrree with you both. This PC BS will get more people killed.


12 posted on 04/24/2012 2:37:50 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: central_va
Women in the military (WIMP) is BS and will get marines killed.

WIMP, dang it, you nailed that BIG TIME!

13 posted on 04/24/2012 2:37:50 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: jazusamo

More than 140 U.S. military women have been killed in the wars.
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8 of them were nurses in Nam...


14 posted on 04/24/2012 2:37:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: xzins
The basic concept of combat is winning. They are making it equal opportunity.

Well said, xzins. Combat is not PC nor equal opportunity.

15 posted on 04/24/2012 2:40:20 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: P-Marlowe; Signalman

PC will be result in a battlefield loss, and that will injure the nation for a generation IF it doesn’t first destroy it.

Military mechanics know that a female can’t even change a tire without hydraulics. That’s not how it’s done in an extreme situation. Even more, they couldn’t manhandle the hydraulics to get the tire changed.


16 posted on 04/24/2012 2:40:20 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I was in the first OCS class with women. The program was actually called the “women in the military program”. We called it the WIMP program. That name stuck until some bureaucrat figured out the acronym and changed it.


17 posted on 04/24/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jazusamo; Las Vegas Ron

I wish I had the links to back this up, but I’m sure you both are aware of the reports coming in from all sources that indicate one of the biggest concerns of women in forward positions is the huge numbers of them coming off deployment early.

Why? Cause they’re knocked up.

Leaving the men left in their outfit desperately overwhelmed.


18 posted on 04/24/2012 2:42:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Signalman
It’s the new American military. Political correctness trumps combat effectiveness.

Also another step in destroying long, deeply held American traditions and institutions. Corruption can come in many forms.

The order of nature dictates that Men protect their Women, at least that is how I was raised.

19 posted on 04/24/2012 2:43:19 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: jazusamo

We’ve become a silly country. Bad things happen to silly countries.


20 posted on 04/24/2012 2:43:21 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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21 posted on 04/24/2012 2:43:34 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Gen. James Amos, Marine Corps commandant = dumba$$


22 posted on 04/24/2012 2:43:41 PM PDT by Sarajevo ( Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.)
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To: MagUSNRET

When I was in the USAF there was a limit of 40lbs for women

When the great experiment on the airfield started and women were now mechanics for the planes the guys wouldnt carry their 100lb tool chests for them

The girls complained...

Oh my...

the problem was blamed on the bad male chalvanisic guys


23 posted on 04/24/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: jazusamo

Tank units?

My CO gave me his reasoning for not allowing women into Armor units: In Desert Shield, his unit was so bored and on edge, there were fist fights over the best MRE...he was confident that the addition of a woman to fight over would result in soldiers killing each other.

There is also the matter of living practically on top of each other, changing and bathing in front of each other, etc.

But the real issue is good ole upper body strength. I have seen women try to load a tank round (as a cadet)...not pretty. I’m sure there a few women out there who could do it...but the vast majority would be too slow. And, there were a variety of jobs on a tank that some of the smaller guys couldn’t do well - mostly dealing with maintenance and the track.

I’m left asking - Does this increase our readiness? If the answer is no, then why are we doing it?


24 posted on 04/24/2012 2:44:52 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: jazusamo

I used to be a gunbunny on a M198 towed arty piece. We had to routinely run gun drills with reduced crews and you had better be able to pick up that 90 lb 155 shell by yourself. (Normally it’s two guys carrying it on a tray)


25 posted on 04/24/2012 2:45:15 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

When men go down to the sea in ships...

When women first started to be asigned to ships in the Navy

and found out that it wasnt all the cute fun they thought it would be

they got preggers just to be reasigned to shore duty...


27 posted on 04/24/2012 2:47:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Why? Cause they’re knocked up.

Well, I guess they should only be allowed to serve on submarines then..../snorting sarcasm.

Seriously, no one can convince me this is not done with the intention of moral, and emasculating intentions.

AKA, PC.

28 posted on 04/24/2012 2:50:46 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: P-Marlowe; jazusamo

In a military organization scheme, a list per unit that is law approved by Congress, if a combat squad is listed as, for example, 8 troops, they don’t get to have 9 or 10 to make up for a physically weak member of the squad.

They get 8. Period. And being one hundred percent filled with people is generally the rule only for units as they deploy to war (not always), and that only exists until first contact with the enemy.

A combat unit cannot afford a weak member. In MANY scenarios having a unit at 70% is pushing the boundaries of combat effectiveness.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 2:52:11 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

Is this what you men want?


30 posted on 04/24/2012 2:52:40 PM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: jazusamo

Maybe they are talking about shemale marines. You never know.


31 posted on 04/24/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: lacrew
The same argument is true to the police and firefighters. The requirements for strength and endurance are commonsense and applicable for the job.
32 posted on 04/24/2012 2:56:14 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: donna
Is this what you men want?

Not this one nor do I know any that do. It seems politicians want it and the military brass work for politicians.

33 posted on 04/24/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Political Correctness has ruined our schools, ruined our military, ruined our churches, ruined our country...and the American culture. I am ashamed that we allowed liberal arseholes do this to our country!


34 posted on 04/24/2012 2:58:53 PM PDT by MagUSNRET (I have always been proud of my country, it is my government that I am ashamed of!)
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To: MagUSNRET

Amen to your post and your tag line!


35 posted on 04/24/2012 3:01:05 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: jazusamo

Feminization of the military.

In conjunction with a zero-tolerance mentality over common sense.


36 posted on 04/24/2012 3:01:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: xzins
"They won't have strength to put a round in a tube...."

Ummm....you didn't listen. They are being put in LEADERSHIP positions, not in the grunt jobs.

This will mean less opportunity for advancement, and less experienced leadership, resulting in more death and less retainment.

Gee, a win-win for Progressives.

My son spent 12 years on boomers before getting a 2 year shore duty because women in his rating could not deploy, taking up nearly all shore allotments.

37 posted on 04/24/2012 3:01:58 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: MagUSNRET

Butch dykes generally do not like men very much. I would not want them watching my back, frankly. Don’t think they’d do all they could do to cover my ass.


38 posted on 04/24/2012 3:03:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jazusamo

Study this:

Female Marine Captain is captured by Iranians. They beat her for a while and they check her to make sure that she can conceive.

They rape her repeatedly until she becomes pregnant, and force her to term. They cut the child from the womb at about the eight month and execute it on live TV with a bayonette.

That’s something to consider in any warfighting scenario analysis you care to gin up.


39 posted on 04/24/2012 3:03:12 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: jazusamo

Don’t be surprised. He isn’t well-liked by the Marines I know. He was on base here last week, and guys were scrambling to find ways to avoid meeting him. This is the first Commandant in my husband’s 17 years in the Corps that I have seen Marines so actively go out of their way to avoid.


40 posted on 04/24/2012 3:04:29 PM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: diogenes ghost

trust me....Lieutenants, Captains, and even colonels must sometimes step in and launch a round.

Even in trainining it establishes credibility with the troops. Can you imagine the cred established when the company commander can’t even lift the thing?


41 posted on 04/24/2012 3:04:38 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: diogenes ghost
women officers, gunnery sergeants and staff sergeants to combat artillery, tank, amphibious, engineer and assault units

Also, read the above again: "women" modifies the entire list that follows.

A woman staff sergeant is definitely doing grunt work.

42 posted on 04/24/2012 3:06:35 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: jazusamo

So Rush’s “All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion” becomes a reality.


43 posted on 04/24/2012 3:08:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: x1stcav

MAny of the civillians are not silly.

Perhaps when the leadership and such are more or less wiped out because of our silliness, those of us left will not entertain such silly notions. And get rid of those that want to.


44 posted on 04/24/2012 3:09:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jazusamo

“Last year, Congress ordered a review of the policy formally excluding women from combat roles.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta took that a further step in February by directing the services assign women to some combat roles and study the results.”

What elese could he do?

Options are:
1)Obey the directives from Sec Def & Congress
2)Resign
3)Openly defy chain of command & use the fall back position of defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign & domestic. Unfortunately, the framers of the Constitution assumed we would continue to have a smattering of common sense.
4)”assign women to some combat roles and study the results”...it would not take a stacked deck to come to the conclusion that women in combat roles is a stupid idea. Not as stupid as allowing queers in the military, but a stupid idea, none-the-less.


45 posted on 04/24/2012 3:09:30 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: xzins; jazusamo

“If I were the last man on the planet to think so, I would want the honor of saying that no woman should go before me into combat to defend my country.” - John Piper

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/13474

I agree with Piper.


46 posted on 04/24/2012 3:09:44 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Las Vegas Ron

In the villages of Afghanistan, women can go places, hear things, and do things men cannot, like pat down and control the women and children while their men are being interrogated and searched.

They are needed on the “battlefields” of what are today’s “wars, in fact have been servingn on them without receiving the official designator of serving in “combat” (or receiving combat pay, or training)


47 posted on 04/24/2012 3:11:30 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: USMCWife6869
Thank you, USMCWife, I wasn't aware of that.

I knew he spoke out against the repeal of DADT but said he'd do what he was ordered to do, when it was repealed he supported it. Something didn't seem right about the whole thing if he really strongly objected at first.

48 posted on 04/24/2012 3:11:50 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

Same here. And he’s correct. He’s correct for more reasons than the protective role men should assume toward women.


49 posted on 04/24/2012 3:12:21 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins

I guess it is going to be “Lead from the FRONT (Unless you have cramps...” SPIT!

Good GOD Almighty, what has happened to the Corps? (rhetorical
I swear it seems as if it is a prerequisite lately, that you be a freakin queer loving, politically correct, do whatever it takes to get along with Libs, perfumed prince, to be on the JCOS, and NOT that you be a warrior!!


50 posted on 04/24/2012 3:14:19 PM PDT by MagUSNRET (I have always been proud of my country, it is my government that I am ashamed of!)
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