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Mayor & Police: Delmar Beating Not A Hate Crime
http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/Mayor-Police-Delmar-Beating-Not-A-Hate-Crime/sZA4gRm-_kmh8Jx-OhV-ig.cspx ^

Posted on 04/25/2012 8:35:14 AM PDT by chessplayer

(MOBILE, Ala.) - It started with a game of basketball. Kids in the Delmar Drive neighborhood play almost every night, and Saturday their ball found its way into a yard down the street where Matthew Owens was staying.

Neighbors say Owens confronted the kids as they chased their ball.

"We said we're sorry," says David Dinkins, one of the kids playing. "He said 'get the F out of the yard!'"

Dinkins says that's when Owens started spewing racial slurs and pulled out two knives.

"It was like kitchen knives," Dinkins says. "They were long."

(Excerpt) Read more at local15tv.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hatecrime; sourcetitlenoturl; trayvonmob; violence
Wait and see. If Owens survives, he will be charged with a hate crime.
1 posted on 04/25/2012 8:35:17 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Black on white crime. Nothing to see here. Move along.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 8:39:56 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

They must have a special flow chart like the “Not My Problem” one to help them deal with this, without specifically saying “Thou Shalt Not Charge a Black Person With a Race/Hate Crime”.


3 posted on 04/25/2012 8:42:57 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: chessplayer

Don’t you love how they can pick and choose hate crimes?


4 posted on 04/25/2012 8:45:17 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: chessplayer

Black racists know that all they have to say is that whitey said n@@@@r and to police, bad words justify black racist violence. Whitey made the racist mob hate and lynch ‘im.


5 posted on 04/25/2012 8:45:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: chessplayer
Meet Mayor Jones. Hint, he isn't in the Navy

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6 posted on 04/25/2012 8:46:13 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: chessplayer

One thing is certain. Both the press and the government are unreliable when it come to crimes involving race.


7 posted on 04/25/2012 8:51:49 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: chessplayer

The subtext of these stories, which is almost never challenged, is that if someone uses (or is believed to have used) the only truly taboo word in the language, any level of violence against him and those around him is thereby justified.

I wonder when this notion worked its way into the collective mind?

It’s just a word. Why is its use considered worse than violence in response? Why don’t those offended by a word retaliate with words rather than violence?


8 posted on 04/25/2012 8:52:47 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Indeed

Remember Omar Thornton?


9 posted on 04/25/2012 8:54:01 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: chessplayer

So 20 people beat the crap out of a guy, one supposedly says it is “Justice for St. Skittles”, and that doesn’t qualify?

Frankly,.I think the entire concept.of “hate crime” is bogus, but if you’re gonna have it, this qualifies.


10 posted on 04/25/2012 8:54:30 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: chessplayer

Whites need to start taking a page from the black mans protest book. If they beat one of ours then we gather in mass and start screaming and demanding justice. If they treat us with violence then we fight back with more violence. They are getting away with murder and it’s only going to get worse because nobody, including us, does anything about it or will do anything about it.

They want war it’s time we give them one including their so called leaders. When the war starts it is our duty to fight back and take out the leaders first.


11 posted on 04/25/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“Thou Shalt Not Charge a Black Person With a Race/Hate Crime”.

or hispanics or muslims or anyone in the human race who is not whitey (even if you have 1/2 hispanic you’re a whitey).


12 posted on 04/25/2012 8:59:39 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: chessplayer

then there’s really no such thing, is there?


13 posted on 04/25/2012 9:01:17 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: Obama sez: "Nice little Supreme Court you got here. Shame if anything were to happen to it.")
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To: Sherman Logan

More generally than just that one word,
any sort of “dissing” of a young black man
is justification for at least a beatdown, if not a homicide.

That word is just the pinnacle of “dissing”.


14 posted on 04/25/2012 9:03:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jack Burton007

“Whites need to start taking a page from the black mans protest book.”

Ok, well, you try to organize a “White people protest” and see how many show up. White people can’t be bothered to stand up for themselves, for fear of being called racist. If you try this, you’ll be socially lynched by the very people you want to help.


15 posted on 04/25/2012 9:13:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chessplayer

Just keep pissin off white people, sooner or later you will drive virtually all of them away while your cities can continue to rot and they will vote against you


16 posted on 04/25/2012 9:15:02 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Frankly,.I think the entire concept of “hate crime” is bogus, but if you’re gonna have it, this qualifies.”

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Yes.

The REASON for the crime really doesn’t matter except perhaps in establishing motive. However, in and of itself, it definetely should NOT amplify the crime/punishment.

“Hate Crime” is just another form of institutional racism directed against whites.


17 posted on 04/25/2012 9:17:53 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Non-Holder person.)
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To: chessplayer

“spewing racial slurs “

NO greater crime on earth exists if you’re not “ a person of color”.

FWIW:

““I have personal insight into this incident.

It had nothing to do with kids playing basketball or racial slurs.

Several neighborhood kids were going into his neighbors yard and carports who were away.

He told the kids to put the items back and get off the neighbors property.

The kids left.

Several minutes later, numerous cars pulled up and the occupants set upon Mr. Owens.

The group consisted of adult male and females and children.

As they were leaving they were overheard sayin “This is for Travon”

The press has “their” stories wrong and need to correct it and stop trying to paint in a way to allow for justification of attempted murder against Mr.Owens.”

http://www.local15tv.com/news/local/story/Delmar-Attack-Over-Possible-Racial-Slurs/cclWJ4ZQz0-RH_KwjFZRRQ.cspx


18 posted on 04/25/2012 9:22:57 AM PDT by wolficatZ ("We are no longer accepting comments on this article")
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To: chessplayer
He probably will be charged. After all he did use the F word in the presence of these young innocents. Then he used the N word. Oh Gasp!

African-Americans are now a protected species. Much like gray wolves. they can kill and maim each other. They can kill an maim other species, including other protected species. But they cannot be harmed or insulted by a non protected species. For example White folks.

19 posted on 04/25/2012 9:31:32 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: Altura Ct.

Not till I looked it up. Horrible story, complete with subtext that the killings would have been “sorta” justified if the racism of the victims could be proven.

I am about as anti-racist as it is possible to be. However, racism is not the worst crime in the world. In fact, it isn’t a crime at all. It’s stupid and evil, but the belief system or attitude isn’t criminal.

And there are certainly much worse crimes. Over 100M people were murdered in the last century by people who were, at least in theory, anti-racist, and whose ideology is still respectable in much polite company.


20 posted on 04/25/2012 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: chessplayer

So the kid who started this is giving his side of the story.

And I should believe him?

There is no excuse for this.

And if these people aren’t charged with lynching, there will be problems.


21 posted on 04/25/2012 9:51:40 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Mayor and police chief covering for their own people. Mobile is a hopeless city going down the tubes in an increasingly fast spiral.

Thank God we got out of there when we did.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 9:51:59 AM PDT by rightly_dividing (Newt 2012)
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To: chessplayer

There is the General Rule of Hate Crime and the Special Rule of Hate Crime.

I’ll give you the Special Rule first:

A Hate Crime can only be committed by a member of a Bad Race against the member of a Good Race. The member of a Good Race can never be charged with a Hate Crime, under any circumstances.

And now, here’s the General Rule:

A Hate Crime can only be committed by a member of a More Preferred Group against the member of a Less Preferred Group. The member of a More Preferred Group can never be changed with a Hate Crime against a member of a Less Preferred Group.

I hope these two Rules clear things up for everyone on the subject of Hate Crimes.


23 posted on 04/25/2012 10:36:16 AM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: chessplayer
"We said we're sorry," says David Dinkins, one of the kids playing. "He said 'get the F out of the yard!'" Dinkins says that's when Owens started spewing racial slurs and pulled out two knives. "It was like kitchen knives," Dinkins says. "They were long."

I don't believe this for a minute. TWO knives, not just A knife but TWO of them. Who in the he** carries two big kitchen knives around on them and how do you hide them and keep from stabbing yourself with them?

This is a BS story they cooked up after beating this guy half to death in order to convince everyone he is a racist cracker and needed to be killed.

24 posted on 04/25/2012 10:51:08 AM PDT by calex59
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To: chessplayer
Dinkins says that's when Owens started spewing racial slurs and pulled out two knives. "It was like kitchen knives," Dinkins says. "They were long."

The kids ran off, but an angry group returned. Police haven't confirmed how many were in the crowd, but they beat Owens so bad he landed in the hospital.

Hmmmm, I wonder why Owens didn't try to defend himself with his two long knives? Did the police/medics/hospital find the knives on his body? Maybe one of the mob saw that they were finely crafted kitchen knives and took them home as a valuable addition to their kitchen?

Whisenhunt says police are often called to the house where Owens stays, and recently arrived with an ambulance.

I guess the reporter didn't feel it was necessary to verify this statement with the police and the ambulance company.

25 posted on 04/25/2012 1:17:27 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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If Owens did use the N word, it was stupid as well as wrong for him to do so talking to the kids, but I'm skeptical.

That gets trotted out all the time...like with Reginald Denny and Michael Westerman.

It's like Aesop's fable of the boy who cried wolf.

26 posted on 04/25/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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