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ATF's mysterious grenade smuggler case: new photos, documents turned over to Congress
CBS News ^ | April 25, 2012 | Sharyl Attkisson - CBS

Posted on 04/25/2012 3:10:19 PM PDT by brityank

ATF's mysterious grenade smuggler case: new photos, documents turned over to Congress

Evidence photos just turned over to Congress under subpoena show a frightening stash of grenade parts, fuse assemblies and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition. It was all hidden in a spare tire of an SUV crossing from the US to Mexico in 2010. The accused smuggler, an alleged drug cartel arms dealer named Jean Baptise Kingery, was questioned by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) but released.

Documents handed over to Congress by the Justice Department shed new light on missteps in the grenades case, and how ATF tracked the suspect for years.

ATF started watching Kingery in "2004 related to AK47 purchases," according to an internal email, "it is believed that he is trafficking them to Mexico." A full five years later in late 2009, ATF also learned Kingery was dealing in grenades: he'd ordered 120 grenade bodies on the Internet.

Grenades are weapons of choice for Mexico's killer drug cartels. An attack on a casino in Mexico last year killed 53 people.


(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; borderwars; dea; dhs; doj; fandfgrenades; fastandfurious; fbi; grenadewalker; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama
Sharyl strikes again! Pity such a talented investigative reporter is saddled with a lousy company.
1 posted on 04/25/2012 3:10:22 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank
Here's what they're talking about:
2 posted on 04/25/2012 3:14:14 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

I’d like to see this spare tire . . . just sayin’


3 posted on 04/25/2012 3:14:57 PM PDT by rhubarbk
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To: rhubarbk

But how many times did those cretins allow him to cross? Bet it was more than a couple!


4 posted on 04/25/2012 3:19:06 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Remember that casino the druggies burned down? The one where they found like 25 people piled up in the bathroom —folks who fled there for fresh air, and ended up dying?

The druggies started that attack by throwing grenades supplied by this guy, friend of Obama (who also had/has a “intel for hands-off” secret agreement with the sinaloa cartel).

Nice, huh?


5 posted on 04/25/2012 3:21:22 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: brityank

At least a Haitian got a job in Mexico. /s.


6 posted on 04/25/2012 3:22:40 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Nachum; MestaMachine; Joe Brower; Travis McGee

Ping to some of the Bang List.


7 posted on 04/25/2012 3:24:11 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: gaijin

Real nice!

Obama is not only bad for our country, but for all the others too!! He and his ilk need to be in Leavenworth.


8 posted on 04/25/2012 3:26:35 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

“The Kingery case and Fast and Furious were both supervised out of ATF’s Phoenix office by Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell.”


9 posted on 04/25/2012 3:31:33 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: gaijin

Here is an old link:

Fast & Furious: Congress expanding probe to include grenades

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2784645/posts?page=21


10 posted on 04/25/2012 3:33:12 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: brityank
"That's not possible," wrote a lead ATF official in Mexico. "We are forbidden from doing that type of activity. If ICE is telling you they can do that, they are full of [expletive]..."

Walking contraband is against ICE policy. I can't believe any moron would allow any contraband, especially guns or grenades walk. ATF is letting guns walk so it doesn't take much imagination to think they are doing the same with grenades.

I think one of the mindsets that might have been warped into these kinds of investigations is a U.S. Attorney's office that doesn't take cases less than 500 lb. of dope. The result being that agent's are looking for the big score that will actually be prosecuted.

11 posted on 04/25/2012 3:37:54 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

The drug cartels control the coyotes that smuggle illegals across to border. The cartels got weapons, Obama got new voters.


12 posted on 04/25/2012 3:44:29 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: brityank

Leavenworth enroute to a very near final judgement.


13 posted on 04/25/2012 3:55:15 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: brityank; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

Good one brityank

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14 posted on 04/25/2012 3:58:36 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: MestaMachine

PING!


15 posted on 04/25/2012 4:07:47 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: brityank

Must have been one helluva gun show to purchase those.

(/sarc off)


16 posted on 04/25/2012 4:28:09 PM PDT by SiVisPacemParaBellum (Peace through superior firepower!)
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Thanks brityank.
Grenades are weapons of choice for Mexico's killer drug cartels. An attack on a casino in Mexico last year killed 53 people.
The US needs two things -- a border wall with Mexico, and more grenades to Mexican cartels.


17 posted on 04/25/2012 4:47:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The US needs two things -- a border wall with Mexico, and more grenades to Mexican cartels.

I would settle for a FedGov that enforced existing immigration laws and term limits.

Throw in a repeal of the 17th and I'd be really happy.

18 posted on 04/25/2012 5:22:10 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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19 posted on 04/25/2012 6:53:19 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: brityank; All

Remember, inert grenade bodies and inert fuses are not contraband. It is only when these things are assembled into grenades that they are required to have a
$200 tax stamp with them. Owning grenade bodies and inert fuses is not against the law.


20 posted on 04/25/2012 7:28:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

However, some of the empty grenade bodies should have had transmitters in them if they were delivered empty to Kingery and he was taking them to Mexico to fill them.

Risky, yes, but the handle marking was just stupid and deadly to the innocent.

I am constantly amazed how the higher-ups in law enforcement continually fuck up operations. This is not the mark of a professional but of an asskisser in search of a promotion.

Glad this happened on Obama’s watch. Same for Holder, DOJ, ATF, ICE, etc. They all need a purge at the top.

Same mentality was present in upper administrative FBI managers before 9/11. They refused to listen to their agents in the field about what they were seeing that was unusual.


21 posted on 04/25/2012 7:52:47 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: USNBandit

I don’t understand this story.

If I am not prohibited I can have as much ammunition as I want (assuming I don’t violate local laws/codes). Grenade hulls with spent or used fuze casings are not illegal either. I can buy 1, 5, 100, 1000, or 10,000 of them. I see them at surplus stores all the time and you can order them on the internet. I just searched and they are not regulated at all. No different than a box of screws.

I think the State Department controls the export of firearms (these are not firearms - they are legal to own parts). If they could not prove that this man was prohibited from possessing ammunition he committed no crime. If they could prove he intended to reassemble the parts into remanufactured grenades in Mexico the crime would occur in Mexico. Maybe they could prosecute him under laws governing the exportation of firearms or destructive devices if they could prove that was his intent but that falls under exportation laws and the State Department - not firearms laws?

As I understand it, I can possess all the parts of a grenade and it’s only illegal if I remanufacture the grenade using powder and a means of initiation. If grenade parts are illegal why do they sell them everywhere? I can buy as much powder and as many primers as I want too.

I can own machinegun parts kits and it’s not illegal. I can own 1, 1000, 10000 of them (I wish). I am not violating the law and I am actually sitting on a nice investment since they can’t be imported anymore. Is’nt it the same thing?

I really don’t understand this story. As far as I know, the only laws a U.S. Citizen can be prosecuted for that occur outside the United States are the sex travel act, espionage, and hiding money from Uncle Sam. There may be some others that I don’t remember. However, I don’t think our gun laws are enforceable in another country.

I might need to start a paperweight collection soon!


22 posted on 04/25/2012 8:02:28 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: tacticalogic

He is just arming his private army, and getting rid of agents who work for the USA...replaced with his own commie /islamo thugs...that’s all, nothing to see here..move along sheeple../sarc


23 posted on 04/26/2012 2:49:15 AM PDT by aces
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To: houeto
Throw in a repeal of the 17th and I'd be really happy.

That's a good start, but I'm not ready to party until they overturn Wickard v Filburn.

24 posted on 04/26/2012 4:27:14 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MestaMachine
A full five years later in late 2009, ATF also learned Kingery was dealing in grenades: he'd ordered 120 grenade bodies on the Internet. Grenades are weapons of choice for Mexico's killer drug cartels. An attack on a casino in Mexico last year killed 53 people.

Something so lawless about this - feels of deep corruption... what was the ATF thinking? Who was making the calls?

25 posted on 04/26/2012 8:47:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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26 posted on 04/26/2012 10:01:04 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: brityank
"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

And this...

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

(snip)

“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

More about State Department involvement...

— has sources claiming “Obama’s man in the State Department,” (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.

Steinberg took office as Deputy Secretary of State on January 28, 2009

A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:

Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an “indispensable” partner. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played “Oscar to Jack Lew’s Felix,” referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obama’s budget director.

Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...

Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal.

27 posted on 04/26/2012 12:04:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: brityank

bump


28 posted on 04/26/2012 11:54:53 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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