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Film: President's father not Barack Obama
World Net Daily ^ | April 25, 2012 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 04/26/2012 2:59:47 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet

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To: azishot

I think it is ‘shopped.

Look at the fingers on Barry’s belt. They are the wrong color to be from the woman on his left.


51 posted on 04/26/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: wolfcreek

If you *really* wanna be creeped out, go listen to Malcolm talking.

Eerily similar voice and cadence.


52 posted on 04/26/2012 6:04:02 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

It’s either a really good Photoshop or he has a weird sense of “in your face” humor.


53 posted on 04/26/2012 6:06:17 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: azishot

Yes. His head.


54 posted on 04/26/2012 6:14:05 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Salamander

??????

http://www.coachisright.com/does-obama-wear-malcolm-xs-sunglasses/


55 posted on 04/26/2012 6:23:00 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Remember the movie “Rosemary’s Baby”?

“He’s got his father’s eyes.”


56 posted on 04/26/2012 6:39:23 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; ..


Preview: Dreams from My Real Father

A Story of Reds and Deception
http://obamasrealfather.com/

DREAMS FROM MY REAL FATHER: At age 18, Barack Obama admittedly arrived at Occidental College a committed revolutionary Marxist. What was the source of Obama's foundation in Marxism? Throughout his 2008 Presidential campaign and term in office, questions have been raised regarding Barack Obama's family background, economic philosophy, and fundamental political ideology. Dreams from My Real Father is the alternative Barack Obama "autobiography," offering a divergent theory of what may have shaped our 44th President's life and politics.
57 posted on 04/26/2012 7:09:30 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Salamander

58 posted on 04/26/2012 7:15:40 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“You mean he’s a black white man?”

“No. He’s a white black man.” —Stanley and Livingston (1939)


59 posted on 04/26/2012 7:18:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: PapaBear3625

Entirely reasonable and well thought out.


60 posted on 04/26/2012 7:19:05 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Salamander

Post 19

He doesn’t look the slightest bit like Obama Sr. or Davis.
He’s a dead ringer for Malcolm X.


61 posted on 04/26/2012 7:24:55 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: wolfcreek; All

62 posted on 04/26/2012 7:35:01 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

A dictator, such as Obama, only has the power that the people give him.

Currently, at least 40 % of polled American voters are gladly willing to give Obama the necessary power to continue his dictatorship.

About 47 % of American workers pay NO Personal Federal Income tax. These voters are the “fair share” voter base for Dictator Obama. We, in the 53 %, then are paying this 47 % to vote for Obama by virtue of us paying taxes for ourselves AND them.

In this manner we are supporting the voters who vote for Obama, and will vote to do so again in November.

Dictator Obama has designed Obama”care” to become active only AFTER he is to be re-elected, thus enabling THE NINE SUPREMES to delay ruling on the Constitutionality of the dictate of the individual mandate until Obama is once again the Illegal Foreign White House Occupier, (IFWHO).

The purpose of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack is simple: 1.) Regulate; 2.) Control; and 3.) Destroy. By his own count he has already achieved 60 % of his goals, according to the note he says he carries in his pocket.

Obama’s obvious deep hatred of America could have only come from his childhood.

Since there are no known networks of childhood friends from Obama’s past, Obama was probably a member of a Marxist sleeper cell funded by wealthy men with a Marxist view of the World.

The lack of credible evidence that has NOT been forged requires a long-term, highly skilled and well-funded support group.

Who the key members of Obama’s probable support group and probable sleeper cell were and are is well known to the CIA and the FBI.

Will “Citizen Journalists” such as Breitbart Editor Joel Pollack be able to out-spy these two tax-funded spy entities?

BTW, forget about the LAM, (Liberal Agenda Media), as they are saving their notes to write their tell-all Obama books after Obama has SAFELY retired back home in Kenya.

BTW, BTW, to all the doubters of the above speculation: what does your gut tell you?

______________________

The questions we ask
Are simple to say,
One wonders why they
Weren’t asked
Back in the Day?


63 posted on 04/26/2012 7:43:44 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: patriot08
I have seen this comparison many times, but unless someone can explain how Stanley Ann and Malcom X might have ever had an encounter, I think it is pointless to keep bringing it up.

There are a LOT of people who have resemblance to people to whom they are not related.

Here is a link to over 200 people who are not related but look alike.

Again, if you can't explain the connection between Stanley Ann and Malcolm X, bringing it up again is just muddying the waters.

64 posted on 04/26/2012 7:48:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Listen to the WUSTL CLEAR interview of FMD on youtube with your eyes closed. See if you don't hear Barack Obama's speech patterns.
65 posted on 04/26/2012 7:51:10 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Listen to the WUSTL CLEAR interview of FMD on youtube with your eyes closed. See if you don't hear Barack Obama's speech patterns.

Considering that Obama spent a lot of time with Davis, and looked upon Davis as a black role model, it's hardly surprising that he (consciously or unconsciously) picked up on Davis's speech patterns.

66 posted on 04/26/2012 8:06:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: SkyPilot
There is a baby picture purported to be of little barry bastard which looks remarkably like Frank in the face. It is said that male babies often resemble a male predecessor very early out of the womb.

It is interesting that we never see speculative discussion of just how it was that a man living in Washington state and his wife working for a local banking firm somehow were familiar enough with Hawaii to get a job there and his wife snare a banking job of some importance there, from way back in Washington State. Also, where did the connections between Satnley and FRank begin? ... Not in Hawaii!

67 posted on 04/26/2012 8:09:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: bjorn14

I’ve always been curious as to why Madelyn didn’t want to be buried next to her husband.
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Do we know for sure that she didn’t want to? maybe the choice was made by Barry and his half sister.


68 posted on 04/26/2012 8:15:12 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mosesdapoet

But mere citizenship does not a natural born citizen make ... do you know where he was born? Or are you swallowing the public lies as if factual?


69 posted on 04/26/2012 8:16:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Menehune56

Good one!


70 posted on 04/26/2012 8:21:26 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void; Conservative Vermont Vet; WhizCodger
“Gilbert’s research turned shocking when he obtained seven indecent photos of Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, at Frank Marshall Davis’ house, suggesting an intimate connection between Dunham and Davis.”

This is the first time I have seen a claim that the alleged nudie pics of SADO were found at FMD’s home and not just pulled off the web based on possible likeness to SADO.

Kenya birth for Barry is still in play as a further Commie diversion to buttress the narrative of a father other than FMD to protect his HI-Chicago KGB spy web. SADO may have bought into the “Kenyan Prince” narrative for any number of delusional romantic notions that a precocious commie 18-year-old might have, given the scandal that would ensue by having FMD fingered as the father.

Note that reviewer Corsi does not back off his Kenya birth narrative for Barry in writing this piece. Whether FMD or BHO Sr was the dad, the threat to the HI commie cell by SADO's mixed race baby, a cell which BHO Sr was plugged into as seen by his speech to a commie labor front group, would justify an attempt to hide SADO away in Seattle or Kenya.

As to paternal appearances, while BHO Sr. has no resemblance to Barry, Senior's second child with Ruth Baker of Boston, named David, looks shockingly like Barry to the point that some FReepers even claim that his photos (taken from his brother Mark's collection) are actually pictures of Barry, even though David was born in about 1969. This resemblance of Barry to his half brother David seals BHO Sr. as the father of both, IMO.

71 posted on 04/26/2012 8:23:17 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: patriot08

That’s why I think, too.

The other theories are too contorted for me.

I’m more of an Occam’s Chainsaw kind of person.

The *other* names on his BC might look a bit off to his True Believers but an “X” would be mind blowing, even to the sleeping sheep.


72 posted on 04/26/2012 8:26:21 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Considering that Obama spent a lot of time with Davis, and looked upon Davis as a black role model, it's hardly surprising that he (consciously or unconsciously) picked up on Davis's speech patterns.

That may be but I think there's more to it. The eyes, the somewhat pointy ears, the form of his upper lip in the center, the weird pouch under his bottom lip

all match FMD. The history of the Dunhams and FMD along with FMD's self-documented sex addiction, Stanley Ann's nudie photos, Barry's "Pop" poem all suggest strongly that there was a multi-generational carnal association between FMD and Stanley, Stanley Ann and little Barry - a sordid origin story if ever there was one.

The Malcolm X thing is a red herring based on the similarity of the chin but certainly Barry's chin is the very prominent Dunham chin and there is no known contact twixt Stanley Ann and MX.

73 posted on 04/26/2012 8:31:22 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: DiogenesLamp

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html


74 posted on 04/26/2012 8:43:52 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
IMHO...his FATHER...not his Grandfather.....
75 posted on 04/26/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: MHGinTN
"Also, where did the connections between Stanley and FRank begin? ... Not in Hawaii!"

Kansas, Chicago, Hawaii...?

Frank Marshall Davis
http://www.kshs.org/kansapedia/frank-marshall-davis/12032

Frank Marshall Davis was born in December 31, 1905, in Arkansas City, Kansas

At Kansas State University he studied journalism

In 1927, he moved to Chicago where he worked for several African American newspapers.

1931 he moved to Atlanta to become the managing editor of the Atlanta Daily World.

He returned to Chicago in 1935 to take a position with the Associated Negro Press.

He moved to Honolulu in 1948

Frank Marshall Davis died in July 26, 1987 in Hawaii.

Stanley Dunham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham

Dunham was born in Wichita, Kansas March 23, 1918.

On November 25, 1926, at age 8, Dunham discovered his mother's body after she had committed suicide. Following his mother's suicide, his father placed Stanley and his older brother Ralph Emerson Dunham, Jr. in the care of their maternal grandparents in El Dorado, Kansas.

A rebellious teenager, Stanley allegedly punched his high school principal and spent some time drifting, hopping rail cars to Chicago, then California, then back again.

Dunham married Madelyn Lee Payne on May 5, 1940, the night of Madelyn's senior prom.

Dunham enlisted as a private in the U.S. Army on January 18, 1942, at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas

Madelyn gave birth to a daughter they named Stanley Ann, who was later known as Ann, at St. Francis Hospital in Wichita, Kansas on November 29, 1942

After two years of military service in Europe (1943–1945), Dunham was discharged from the U.S. Army on August 30, 1945.

After the war, the family moved to Berkeley, California and then eventually back to El Dorado, Kansas.

In 1955, Stanley and Madelyn moved to Seattle, Washington

In 1956 they moved to the Shorewood Apartments on Mercer Island, a Seattle suburb

The Dunhams then moved to Honolulu, Hawaii, where Stanley found a better furniture store opportunity, and Madelyn started working at the Bank of Hawaii in 1960

Dunham died in Honolulu, Hawaii in 1992 and is interred in the Punchbowl National Cemetery.

Stanley Ann Dunham
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Anna.htm

Toward the end of her high school career, Stanley Ann applied to the University of Chicago and received early acceptance. The University of Chicago, with its reputation for intellectual excitement, in the middle of a big city, appealed to Ann's sense of adventure. However, Stanley Dunham didn't want his daughter living on her own, far away from home, at such a young age.

It looks like Stanley Ann went to Chicago in the summer between her junior and senior years, according to this puzzling snippet from "Dreams..."

"I was only sixteen then," she told us as we entered the elevator, "I'd just been accepted to the University of Chicago -- Gramps hadn't told me yet that he would let me go -- and I was there for the summer, working as an au pair."

Charles Thomas Payne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama

(Brother of Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham - Obama's Grandmother)

He was the assistant director of the University of Chicago's Library

76 posted on 04/26/2012 9:55:49 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Flotsam_Jetsome; LucyT; Polarik; bgill; Hotlanta Mike; ml/nj; ...
Gilbert, the filmmaker, is almost completely correct on his assertions, with the major exception that Frank Marshall Davis is extremely unlikely to have been Barack Hussein Obama II's natural father.

FMD was certainly a Communist and an important mentor to the young BHO II. He may well have been intimate with Stanley Ann Dunham, consistent with the promiscuity and biracial relationships common within Communist cells in the United States in that era. But there is no substantial physical similarity between the two men to suggest that Davis was Obama II's biological father.

77 posted on 04/26/2012 10:47:47 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: patriot08
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html

That's not really an answer. Besides that, I found two of what I regard as errors in the article.

The Article has said that no divorce documents were produced. (Dunham v Obama Divorce, 1964) That is not true.

The Article also said Stanley Ann left the baby behind with her mother in 1961 when she moved to Seattle to attend Washington University. That is also not true. Her friend at the time (Susan Blake, I think) said she personally changed Barry's diapers herself, and that Ann seemingly didn't know how.

These are SERIOUS errors. They are the sort of errors that makes me feel as though someone hasn't done enough research to know what they are talking about, and therefore should be suspected regarding other things they may allege.

Couple that with the fact that Malcolm X was from New York, and had likewise sworn a vow of Celibacy (He was taking the Islam thing pretty seriously) and it makes it even more unlikely that he showed up in Seattle Long enough to have sex with Stanley Dunham.

Frank Davis is by far the more likely suspect if Obama Sr is not in fact the father. Ann used to go over to his house alone and listen to records, and Davis had a penchant for young white girls.

78 posted on 04/26/2012 10:50:24 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
The photo upthread is a photoshop.

The gal that came up with the “Obama wearing Malcolm X glasses” story describes herself as a fiction writer. Her own photographic evidence is laughable.

79 posted on 04/26/2012 10:57:06 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: justiceseeker93
Gilbert, the filmmaker, is almost completely correct on his assertions, with the major exception that Frank Marshall Davis is extremely unlikely to have been Barack Hussein Obama II's natural father.

FMD was certainly a Communist and an important mentor to the young BHO II. He may well have been intimate with Stanley Ann Dunham, consistent with the promiscuity and biracial relationships common within Communist cells in the United States in that era. But there is no substantial physical similarity between the two men to suggest that Davis was Obama II's biological father.

There is substantial physical similarity between Frank Davis and Barack Obama. Certainly more similarity between them than there is between Barack Obama II and Barack Obama Sr.

But I am not one to regard physical similarities as conclusive of paternity. Years ago I worked with a fellow who insisted on watching Maury Povitch, and I can't remember how many times people said a baby looked like someone, or didn't look like someone, all to find out that judging by looks is virtually always wrong.

No, it is the circumstances and opportunities that point more toward Frank Davis. For one, those naked pictures of Stanley Ann (And yes, it *IS* Stanley Ann because she has a crooked tooth in the same place as other pictures of Stanley Ann) were taken during the Christmas Season of 1960. It is apparently established that the pictures WERE taken in Frank Davis' house. (Something I was trying to establish myself, but it looks like Gilbert managed to accomplish this.)

I would argue that if a young girl was letting a man take naked pictures of her in 1960 (after she had supposedly met her Muslim boyfriend a couple of months earlier) she is likely having sex with him. Jack Cashill's book mentions that Frank Davis preferred young little white girls, and he was also a quite experienced nude photographer.

It is, and has always been, my argument that Daddy's best friend was diddling daddy's little girl, and when she got pregnant they had to hurry up and hunt for a patsy to take the fall, otherwise daddy might do something violent to his best friend. (Notwithstanding what Davis' wife might do if she found out as well.)

They would not be able to hide the fact that the child would be black. The only possible solution is to get some other black man to claim paternity. And that's what they did.

This scenario makes more sense than that she just happened to meet this Kenyan student in a Russian Language class, and then got herself pregnant very shortly thereafter. One doubts that her Muslim boyfriend would look approvingly on her posing for nude pictures in another man's house. (Or that she thought so little of him that she would do such a thing.) The fact that none of his friends remember her being with him indicates that the relationship was a complete sham.

Not conclusive, but a pretty consistent picture none the less.

80 posted on 04/26/2012 11:07:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The gal that came up with the “Obama wearing Malcolm X glasses” story describes herself as a fiction writer. Her own photographic evidence is laughable.

At least you are good for debunking some of the more ridiculous theories.

81 posted on 04/26/2012 11:08:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: bjorn14
"I’ve always been curious as to why Madelyn didn’t want to be buried next to her husband."

I had heard that Stanly the father was buried in the Military section and that Madelyn had a spot there also. It was Barack Obama that decided to cremate her and throw her in the ocean. That is if that really was her.

82 posted on 04/26/2012 11:34:25 AM PDT by Spunky
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To: DiogenesLamp; All
I'm not doubting that Frank Marshall Davis may have engaged in sexual activity with the young Stanley Ann Dunham. But there were likely other black men who were intimate with her as well around that time. Communists, as I said, were much more into that kind of thing at the time than most other Americans; it was a common part of their lifestyle.

Another factor here: What would have been the advantage to the young Obama to claim the Kenyan as his natural father if in fact FMD was? Wouldn't he have been better off claiming Davis (unquestionably, an American citizen) as his father for legal reasons?

83 posted on 04/26/2012 11:41:14 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Salamander

I agree Obama is a dead ringer of Malcolm-X..... Not Frank M Davis!!

Those who have been paying attention may have noticed that Obama’s older daughter is the spitting image of one of the daughters of Malcolm “X.” Of course, Obama himself resembles “X” far more than he resembles Obama, Sr. or Frank Marshall Davis. Obama also shares some facial resemblance to his maternal grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham. Obama, Sr. had a deep voice like James Earl Jones, but junior (Obama) has no such voice. Compare videos of “X” speaking and Obama speaking and try to argue there are no similarities.

Obama also often voices the “sssss” sound much like “X” did. (Listen to Obama say “Congresssss” in his “pass this jobs bill now!” speech to a Joint Session of Congress. It can clearly be heard in his very first words: “Mr. Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congresssss…” “X” had that same speech impediment.2

Many readers may also recall Obama’s victory speech at Chicago’s Grant Park on election night.

Obama wore a black suit with a red tie. His youngest daughter, Natasha, wore a black dress; older daughter Malia wore a red dress; and

Michelle Obama wore an arguably unattractive red and black dress that appeared to represent a large “X.”

The stark colors and the “X” suggest that the outfits are meant to honor Malcolm X.

Red is the traditional color of socialism, and is associated with social democrat and socialist political parties; black is the traditional color of anarchism, and black power.


84 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:33 AM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Seizethecarp

I agree with this.

But nothing could be completely ruled out at this point given the lack of hard facts.

FMD refers to the seduced 13-year old in his book. And he may have taken dirty pictures of SADO. And if there is an alternate he is a good #2, even if unlikely.

But it seems Obama senior leveraged his marriage and child when convenient and ignored them otherwise.

He does claim SADO as his wife in the INS forms in August of 1961. But fails to mention his supposed namesake child.

He does not claim them in his annual INS forms until 1964 - when he is about to be booted out of the US. THEN he claims both. And claims to be married after the formal divorce is final. My feeling on the divorce is that it was filed to give Obama II a name before Obama senior left or after SADO realized he was not coming back for her.

It also get interesting in 1971 when Obama Senior comes back. Likely in an action to leverage is parenthood to get Obama II out of Indonesia with all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed when it came to guardianship - AND citizenship. His role as the birth father allowed for termination of Lolo Soetoro and SADOs parentage rights and likely terminated Obama II’s Indonesian (only at the time) citizenship.

It would be doubtful that he would let Obama II be acknowledged as his child or do the 1971 trip if we was not connected.

Finally, I believe Kenya to be what is called in the IT security world a honeypot. Some that looks enticing but is worthless. It keeps prying eyes away from a damning issue - that Obama II was soley an Indonesian citizen from at least 1968 (when he was removed from SADOs passport) to 1971 (when he left Indonesia for good).


85 posted on 04/26/2012 11:50:33 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
The only possible solution is to get some other black man to claim paternity. And that's what they did

The problem with this scenario is that it ignores what is known about Obama Sr.

In the first place, Obama Sr. was a playboy who was always looking to get as much action as he could. This was noticed even by the U of H administrators.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that Obama Sr. nailed Stanley Ann?

It is completely consistent with everything known about him.

The idea that he would be recklessly screwing around and find himself with a baby he never intended from one of his conquests is completely consistent with his character.

The other problem with your story is the suggestion that Obama Sr. was the kind of person whom some locals could approach, slip him a few bills and he would agree to pretend to be the legal father of some woman's child.

We are talking about a guy who by all accounts had the highest self-conception of himself to the point of conceit. He thought of himself as the most brilliant person in the room superior to everyone else and he expected he would return to Kenya with tremendous academic accolades and be proclaimed a high leader.

It's true he was always seeking more scholarship money and had to work to earn more money to support himself during this temporary period at university before ultimately returning to Kenya in triumph.

But the idea that some locals in Hawaii could approach him and for a few bills he would legally pretend to be the father for the baby of some local girl as if he was some trash from the other side of the tracks who would do literally anything for a few bucks is nonsense. While he was not the brilliant God's gift to humanity he thought he was, nevertheless he was NOT such a stupid man that he would willingly get into a lifelong permanent entanglement just for a few bucks.

A permanent entanglement resulting from one of his reckless sexual conquests is believable; a permanent entanglement consciously done just for some bills to tide him over while he is at university is NOT believable.

I agree with your conclusion that if Davis was taking nude photos of Stanley Ann, then he was likely nailing her.

I find it strange that anyone would come up with such a complicated and bizarre scenario simply to avoid what seems obviously believable, that she was being nailed by BOTH the playboy Obama Sr. and by Davis.

86 posted on 04/26/2012 12:08:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: justiceseeker93
I'm not doubting that Frank Marshall Davis may have engaged in sexual activity with the young Stanley Ann Dunham. But there were likely other black men who were intimate with her as well around that time. Communists, as I said, were much more into that kind of thing at the time than most other Americans; it was a common part of their lifestyle.

What other black men were available in November of 1960 in Hawaii? I have read that they were rather uncommon and that Barack Sr constituted one of the two on the Island. (An exaggeration of course, but possibly with some merit.)

Another factor here: What would have been the advantage to the young Obama to claim the Kenyan as his natural father if in fact FMD was?

The question overlooks the possibility that he may have simply believed that Barack Sr was his father. It may have nothing to do with advantage and everything to do with what he was told. But as for advantage, I think we can safely say that Barack Obama's allure to his supporters (God knows I find him repugnant.) is based partially on the exotic nature of his name and his life's story. He saw it as politically advantageous, or perhaps just in general agreement with his mindset to regard himself as "Barack Obama" rather than "Barry Davis." (Bastard child)

Wouldn't he have been better off claiming Davis (unquestionably, an American citizen) as his father for legal reasons?

One must sleep in the bed they have made. He's gone by "Barack Obama" for so long, that if he came out and said he was the illegitimate son of an American Communist, just how far do you think he would have gotten politically?

The "legal" issue of being a "natural born citizen" was never on his horizon. The man never should have gotten to US Senator, let alone President. From my reading, he thought he was only going so high as Mayor of Chicago.

Bear in mind, he has never accomplished anything significant on his own. It was not HE who got himself into the White House, it was those bastard Liberal Democrats who make up the Media. They covered up or refused to cover the bad, they intentionally assaulted his political opponent with every means at their disposal, they gave him the equivalent of a billion dollars worth of free advertising, and some of them intentionally withheld damaging evidence.

The man should have been a political greasy spot, but the Media completely carried him all the way. They were so in love with the idea of a black President that they just didn't care that he was an idiot. He was a smooth sounding Idiot.

87 posted on 04/26/2012 12:25:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: bluecat6

I see no fault in any of your reasoning.


88 posted on 04/26/2012 12:28:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: muawiyah; afraidfortherepublic
Oh, yeah, go to Africa and tell some of those guys you want some cells from the inside of their mouths so you can test DNA ~ right~!!!!

There's lots of easier ways to get it - "here, have a beer" and keep the bottle. I've wondered why someone didn't do it back in '08.

89 posted on 04/26/2012 12:43:32 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Meet the New Boss
The problem with this scenario is that it ignores what is known about Obama Sr.

In the first place, Obama Sr. was a playboy who was always looking to get as much action as he could. This was noticed even by the U of H administrators.

Why do you find it so hard to believe that Obama Sr. nailed Stanley Ann?

Why do you find it hard to believe that Frank Davis didn't? He certainly had more opportunity. Stanley Ann would often come over to his house to listen to records, and for crying out loud, we have PICTURES of her naked in his house! Do you have better proof for Obama having sex with her?

It is completely consistent with everything known about him.

The idea that he would be recklessly screwing around and find himself with a baby he never intended from one of his conquests is completely consistent with his character.

Oh, I have no doubt he would have done such a thing, I just have doubts that he got to Stanley first.

The other problem with your story is the suggestion that Obama Sr. was the kind of person whom some locals could approach, slip him a few bills and he would agree to pretend to be the legal father of some woman's child.

We are talking about a guy who by all accounts had the highest self-conception of himself to the point of conceit. He thought of himself as the most brilliant person in the room superior to everyone else and he expected he would return to Kenya with tremendous academic accolades and be proclaimed a high leader.

It's true he was always seeking more scholarship money and had to work to earn more money to support himself during this temporary period at university before ultimately returning to Kenya in triumph.

And here you answer your own question. When Barack Sr got back to Kenya, he became a worthless washed up drunken bum. Not sure he would have turned down an offer of money, but beyond that he may have thought it was worthwhile to get an assist in his attempt to immigrate, and get some free poontang on the side as well! He DID seemingly attempt to use his claim on wife and child to stay in the country, but it didn't work. As for a "permanent entanglement, I am certain he felt no compunction about telling the b*tch to get lost when he no longer had a use for her. In other words, he didn't regard it as permanent OR an entanglement.

I agree with your conclusion that if Davis was taking nude photos of Stanley Ann, then he was likely nailing her.

I find it strange that anyone would come up with such a complicated and bizarre scenario simply to avoid what seems obviously believable, that she was being nailed by BOTH the playboy Obama Sr. and by Davis.

I'm not suggesting that she wasn't getting nailed by Obama, i'm just suggesting that Davis is the one who did it first. As a result, it caused the two of them to seek out Obama to cover up the fact that Daddy's best friend was nailing Daddy's little girl. Also, it is possible that Davis didn't want his wife to find out that the cute little girl coming to visit all the time just happens to have a black baby.

Something tells me she would find such an event just a little too coincidental. It's possibly another reason why Stanley was in Washington State around the time of Barry's birth. (Or shortly thereafter, as the case may be.)

Yes, Obama Sr was getting himself some freebies as part of the deal.

90 posted on 04/26/2012 12:49:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: bgill
They use beer bottles ~ and old mail sacks.

I think it'd be simpler and more understandable to hire some guys to rob them on the streets.

91 posted on 04/26/2012 12:50:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mercat
How do you get a sample of the president’s DNA?

How many times does this guy have photo ops? He's always out and about on vacation or the links or smoozing it up on the campaign trail or eating out on our tax dollar. Simple enough to snag a fork or napkin. He doesn't live in a bubble.

92 posted on 04/26/2012 12:51:16 PM PDT by bgill
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To: PapaBear3625

I’m thinking Ann had a one night stand with some sailor and the Dunhams paid off Senior to marry her.


93 posted on 04/26/2012 12:56:38 PM PDT by bgill
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To: patriot08; DiogenesLamp; Salamander

This is also interesting (regarding an Obama X)

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=284


94 posted on 04/26/2012 1:23:22 PM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why do you find it hard to believe that Frank Davis didn't?

I don't find it hard to believe, BECAUSE I SAID THAT VERY THING IN THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

You are setting up a false choice between Obama Sr. and Davis as if for some reason it is only one or the other.

Stanley Ann in August in Seattle was seen with a healthy baby for which we have no reason to believe was not full-term.

So the screwing she was getting at Christmas from Davis was not the cause of the baby.

But I agree that for all we know, she was screwing around with him before that as well.

But then you arbitrarily rule out the likelihood that she was screwing Obama Sr. and that THAT resulted in the baby.

You offer no rational basis for ruling out Obama Sr.

And then you come up with this truly unbelievable and irrational story about Obama Sr. agreeing to legally be the father of some local baby in exchange for a few bills as if he was some homeless bum living on the beach.

When Barack Sr got back to Kenya, he became a worthless washed up drunken bum.

We are not talking about Obama Sr at a later point in time. And when Obama Sr. FIRST got back to Kenya, he had a promising future ahead of him. It was only LATER that he became washed up.

We are talking about when Obama Sr. was at U of H. Here, he was a top student looking forward to getting a PhD at Harvard or some other equivalent university.

He imagined himself going back to Kenya as Dr. Obama, PhD in economics where he would be a high government official and people would gather at his feet and he would explain the mysteries of economics and how he would show them the way to socialist prosperity.

Furthermore, from all accounts he had a personal sense of superiority.

The story that he was the type of person who would accept some money to pretend to be the legal father of a baby that he did not believe was his is utterly absurd and contrary to everything known about him.

You are trying to mislead and confuse people by anachronistically importing later elements of his life as if they were relevant to what happened in early 1961.

That later in life he was a washed-up bum has NOTHING to do with it.

What, did the older washed-up Obama Sr. get in a time machine and go back in time and replace the younger, ambitious, conceited, successful student Obama Sr. in 1961?

Similarly, what he was or wasn't doing in 1964 to try to stay in the country longer has NO LOGICAL CONNECTION to the story you are imagining of Obama Sr. in early 1961 agreeing to take some money from locals in order to play the legal father of some girl's child.

Everything we know, all the facts, point to the simple conclusion that Obama Sr BELIEVED he was the father of the baby, at least in early 1961.

Was he really? Without a paternity test and without knowing whether there were even more black guys beyond Obama Sr. and Davis whom she might have been doing, none of us can say for certain.

But the evidence points to Obama Sr., at least initially, believing he was the father of the baby.

A more logical explanation for why Obama Sr. married her in early 1961 but by August 1961 wanted little to do with her or the baby is that HE FOUND OUT MORE ABOUT HER.

He may well have gotten wind of her and Davis' activities and maybe other dudes as well. He might have been arguing by the time August rolled around that maybe the baby was his, maybe it wasn't.

That would be consistent with the facts, rather than pretending Obama Sr. was some kind of bum in early 1961 whom some sharp locals could talk into holding the bag as the legal father of a local girl's baby.

95 posted on 04/26/2012 1:23:58 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: patriot08

Dead ringer. He looks even less like Marshall than the Kenyan. The thing people need to open their minds about is his mother.

The entire Dreams family makeup is invented.


96 posted on 04/26/2012 1:36:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: SkyPilot
Obama's half-brother also doesn't look much like Barack Sr.:

Maybe he's somebody else's child as well, but when parents from different races get together the children don't show some of those physical characteristics that predominate in one race or the other.

Barack Sr. has a physical appearance that's very common among the Lao people. His half-White kids aren't going to have those characteristics.

97 posted on 04/26/2012 1:44:48 PM PDT by x
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
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98 posted on 04/26/2012 1:52:28 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: PapaBear3625
You must be premising your theory on Grandpa being a comrade of Davis's and there's no real proof of that.

My thinking is that if your daughter got pregnant by a man twice her age you probably wouldn't want him around. You'd move away sooner than have him in the picture. So FMD would only be around if he wasn't the father.

Of course it's possible FMD was the father and that as time went on grandpa started to feel closer to Davis and relented, but I'm thinking the Dunhams would have moved again away from Hawaii long before that happened. You also can't assume that in pre-Internet days you can't assume grandpa would have known about Davis's dirty novel or possible attraction to underage girls. He might just have been the only educated Black man the Dunhams knew on the island

Davis had pull at Harvard going back to his Chicago Communist days? Not sure about that. Hawaii was pretty far from the rest of the country and Davis pretty isolated. Hard to cash in on connections made 40 years ago if you don't keep them up. And I doubt his party friends made it into Harvard or the Saudi royal family.

Obama moved to Chicago to get in touch with Davis's or Ayers's friends or roots? Maybe. It's possible. But Chicago was also Alinsky's home town. Alinsky was dead by then, but if someone really admired him and his work making a trip to the city and dropping his name might open doors.

Chicago was also one of the really big centers for African-American politics: first Black Congressmen after Reconstruction, a Black Mayor before New York, a larger percentage of Black voters than Los Angeles, not as much a basket case as Detroit or Newark, not as Southern as Atlanta or New Orleans. It might have looked like a natural place for an outsider to break into Black politics.

99 posted on 04/26/2012 2:02:31 PM PDT by x
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To: Meet the New Boss
I don't find it hard to believe, BECAUSE I SAID THAT VERY THING IN THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.

Yes you did, but later in the message. I respond by reading from the top down and typing my comments regarding what I had just read.

You are setting up a false choice between Obama Sr. and Davis as if for some reason it is only one or the other.

Stanley Ann in August in Seattle was seen with a healthy baby for which we have no reason to believe was not full-term.

So the screwing she was getting at Christmas from Davis was not the cause of the baby.

The pictures were taken BEFORE Christmas, (the presents are all wrapped up.) I would suggest the earliest the pictures could have been taken would have been just after Thanksgiving, but more like mid December. It is irrelevant to the point. At this time, Ann was supposed to be seeing Barack, yet there she is, naked in Davis' house.

The pictures only indicate the general time. By the time they were taken, they could have been playing bouncy bed for months. By the time they were taken, she was already pregnant.

You offer no rational basis for ruling out Obama Sr.

See comment above.

And then you come up with this truly unbelievable and irrational story about Obama Sr. agreeing to legally be the father of some local baby in exchange for a few bills as if he was some homeless bum living on the beach.

Seriously? THAT is the part of the theory you have a problem with? That Barack Obama Sr was too much of a Gentleman to be involved in such a con? That his honor would be demeaned or something? The guy worked for low wages in a pineapple processing facility during the following summer! He complained to the newspaper about how EXPENSIVE it was to live in Hawaii, and how he was just barely making it!

Apart from that, you don't know how much money was offered, and likewise the deal to dip his wick was also an incentive. Stanley Ann was probably the first white woman he ever bonked, and if you have any black friends, you know that they regard having a White Woman as a status symbol.

Sign some documents, pretend (in front of the girl's family) that you are married, get money and sex with a young white woman. Yeah, I can't see how he would ever stoop so low as to take such a deal. You're right, that is the weak spot of the theory.

We are not talking about Obama Sr at a later point in time. And when Obama Sr. FIRST got back to Kenya, he had a promising future ahead of him. It was only LATER that he became washed up.

We are talking about when Obama Sr. was at U of H. Here, he was a top student looking forward to getting a PhD at Harvard or some other equivalent university.

He imagined himself going back to Kenya as Dr. Obama, PhD in economics where he would be a high government official and people would gather at his feet and he would explain the mysteries of economics and how he would show them the way to socialist prosperity.

It would seem he had a lot of delusions. Perhaps he was not so smart as you seem to think he was.

Furthermore, from all accounts he had a personal sense of superiority.

Obviously too high and mighty to be interested in a white woman. Oh, wait...

The story that he was the type of person who would accept some money to pretend to be the legal father of a baby that he did not believe was his is utterly absurd and contrary to everything known about him.

You don't know him. You are just making assumptions about how you THINK he will behave. I would say nothing in his subsequent life indicates to me that he wouldn't have jumped at such an offer. That he was inclined towards socialism ought to tell you right away he was an idiot. That he lied on his Visa application (to get into the country) ought to tell you that he was a liar. I don't know why you think so highly of his character. Nothing in his subsequent life illustrates any self deprivation or self control.

You are trying to mislead and confuse people by anachronistically importing later elements of his life as if they were relevant to what happened in early 1961.

That later in life he was a washed-up bum has NOTHING to do with it.

Au contraire, mon frère. It is perfectly consistent with the notion that bad people come to bad ends. I am merely pointing out that had he been such an upright person as you seem to feel he was, he would not have ended up so badly later on in life.

What, did the older washed-up Obama Sr. get in a time machine and go back in time and replace the younger, ambitious, conceited, successful student Obama Sr. in 1961?

Not at all. It merely indicates that he wasn't so great in the first place. You do know that he lied about his age on various documents in his INS report? Who would have ever thought that a socialistic liar and playboy would have ended up badly?

Similarly, what he was or wasn't doing in 1964 to try to stay in the country longer has NO LOGICAL CONNECTION to the story you are imagining of Obama Sr. in early 1961 agreeing to take some money from locals in order to play the legal father of some girl's child.

You may not have read as much on this as have I, but I recall reading that he wanted to stay in the country permanently. Perhaps he thought America was a much nicer place to live than the Kenya of the 1960s. (Indeed, people in Kenya were getting killed around that time.)

Was he really? Without a paternity test and without knowing whether there were even more black guys beyond Obama Sr. and Davis whom she might have been doing, none of us can say for certain.

But the evidence points to Obama Sr., at least initially, believing he was the father of the baby.

What evidence? If you assume that the long form birth certificate has some basis in fact, it becomes apparent that Barack wasn't even present at the baby's birth. People have made a lot about the entry of "African" under "race", and "Kenya, East Africa" under Country, and how his age was wrong, but all of this makes sense if you consider that he probably didn't even bother showing up for the birth. If the document was filled out by Stanley Ann, or Grandma Dunham, it is not odd that it would be less than accurate.

He didn't give a crap about the baby. He didn't give a crap about Stanley Ann either. Everything he did indicates that he didn't give a crap about either one of them.

A more logical explanation for why Obama Sr. married her in early 1961 but by August 1961 wanted little to do with her or the baby is that HE FOUND OUT MORE ABOUT HER.

He may well have gotten wind of her and Davis' activities and maybe other dudes as well. He might have been arguing by the time August rolled around that maybe the baby was his, maybe it wasn't.

That would be consistent with the facts, rather than pretending Obama Sr. was some kind of bum in early 1961 whom some sharp locals could talk into holding the bag as the legal father of a local girl's baby.

It was a "bag" with no downside for him. Free money and Free Sex with a young white woman? Yeah, he wouldn't want any of that at the expense of his "honor".

100 posted on 04/26/2012 2:28:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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