Skip to comments.MITT ROMNEY: GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE IN BOY SCOUTS
Posted on 04/26/2012 11:40:58 AM PDT by DesertRenegade
As support for gay mom and former Boy Scout troop leader Jennifer Tyrrell contines to pour in from across America, it's important to reflect on those who have been saying all along that moms like Jen should be allowed in the Boy Scouts. Including Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who said in a 1994 debate:
I believe that the Boy Scouts of America does a wonderful service for this country. I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.
Romney was a member of Boy Scouts of America's National Executive Board at the time. Romney's belief that "all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts," echoes the opinion of over 146,000 People who have joined Jennifer's Change.org action calling on the Boy Scouts of America to end its long history of discrimination against LGBT people. Tyrrell was ousted as scout leader of her 7-year-old sons Boy Scouts troop simply because shes gay.
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Careful, you'll upset the "Anybody But Obama" crowd.
Of course, those are the same people who created the mentality in the RNC that it doesn't matter who the candidate is, when the election comes around, they'll all get in line.
On my honor, I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
What is so wrong with playing both sides of an issue?
Uhm - sorry it didn’t work for you. I’m likely close to your age, and was a Scout for 5 years as a youth. I’m a Scout Leader now. I don’t find any real problem having ladies as leaders as long as they run the program correctly, i.e. don’t be a Mom - be a Mentor/Coach.
The fact is that Boy Scouts (not cubs) is a Boy lead organization if done correctly. Thus, it isn’t nearly that important whether the adult leaders are men or women.
Just to put all my cards on the table - I’ve been with my own son from Tiger cubs through him receiving his Eagle a year ago. I’m still the Scout Master and plan on staying such for a few more years.
... so he could be on the receiving end?
No WAY will I vote Romney. We will deal with Obama's SC nominees through the Senate.
Admittedly, in the past, I was among those who "got in line." Not this year, though.
/ “ But, even if he still holds the 1994 personal opinion, it is clear he is not going to mess with or try to force the Boy Scouts to change... “ /
Well THAT’S a relief!
I know you will be providing that quote from the Bishop Romneybama that backs up your statement that “it’s clear he is not going to mess with or try to force the Boy Scouts to change.....”
I don’t know how to attribute goodness to men who say ever so clearly that that they are “open” to queers serving with regularity and title among and OVER defenseless boys who are often away from direct parental oversight.
Apparently you’re able to sleep okay having heard your nominee say that regardless when he said it. What’s changed with him since he said it? YOU have NO clue who Bishop Romneybama is beholding or in exchange for what.
I heard he already hired on an open gay as his campaign advisor on military matters.
If that is true, what’s to keep his interest in check for having openly gay leaders for Boy Scouts?
/ “ Admittedly, in the past, I was among those who “got in line.” Not this year, though. “ /
We all were.
REBELLION IS HARD, but we’re gonna do it anyway, and trust God for the rest.
Private individuals and private organizations should be able to make those decisions without government interference. However, if I had any doubts, the simple fact that Romney made an announcement would push me in the other direction.
just like Kagan and Sotomayor, right???
then think postpartum abortions(infanticide), coming soon.
"I believe that the Boy Scouts of America does a wonderful service for this country. I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue."
And during his stint as Governor, as bad as it was, he never tried to force the Boy Scouts in Mass. to my knowledge (and please point me to references and cocumentation to the contray if I am wrong) to accept or change what it is the BSA as an organization has decided.
I diagree completely with his own perosnal feeling on ths issue...I would never support or personally feel that any gays should serve in any capacity with the scouts or any other youth group. People who are gay are sick...the lifestyle is sick...and that should be no surprise given God's word on the matter.
It is immoral, and every statistic shows how unhealthy it is (physically, mentally and emotionally) for the people so involved.
Romney has openly stated that he supports the right for the Boy Scouts to make their own choice and has never used his position to force anything different.
We cannot say the same is, or will be true for Obama.
And, as I stated, my support throughout these primaries has been for Sarah, Cain, Santorum, and then Newt, in that order.
Told ya a long time ago that Rumbutt was against the Boy Scouts.
Boy Scout Ping latter tonight.
You’re right, Rita. I’m going to just do what I know is right and trust God for the rest, as you say. He’ll take care of His own. Besides, He’s already pre-ordained the winner.
LOL, I’m getting a few of those Freepmails, as well.
Her 7 year old would be a cub scout not a boy scout!
Her 7 year old would be a cub scout not a boy scout!
This is misleading. Romney pretty much acknowleges being a social liberal in 1994.
The question is: what does he think today? Has anyone asked him? And can we believe him?
Coulter endorses Mutt.
Mutt owes Coulter.
To me, this could easily read as saying kids working their way up through Scouts shouldn't be excluded and he is right about that.
It would be good to get clarification from him, but I think it is a stretch at this point to imply that he wants the Scouts to change their policy about not having homosexual Scout Masters. He clearly says that "I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue."
“Courage?” Romney’s been trying to buy the presidency for how many years now? Sorry, it’s nothing to do with courage; it’s about power for this guy.
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When he saved the Olympics he banned the Boy Scouts, so this should not be a surprise.
I didn't see where Romney was saying anything about homosexual Scout leaders. If he supported that, I would definitely have and issue with him. I DO NOT want my kids in the woods with a homosexual. In particular, I especially don't want them in the woods with one who has leadership or authority over them. The girl scouts caved on this and have lesbian leaders. They are a real mess and I know a lot of families who do not put their daughters in girl scouts because of that.
Is he talking about the boys coming up through scouts, or is he talking about scout master positions? There is a significant difference.
Not sure but it may have affected Drudge Report.
It’s a great day for Scouting, SR. Thanks for all you do.
They just have to pay the price, remember the Olympics? Thought so.
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How is Romney actually better than 0bomba again? I still haven't been able to see that. He wants mentally ill sex perverts who are historically attracted to boys to be able to join the Boy Scouts. How is it the fates have ordained that no conservative voter can vote? How is this happening? Romney is a huge supporter of mentally ill sex perversion along with all his other leftist/liberal history. If Gingrich is really out (looks like it, I guess) I keep thinking - how can I vote for Robomney? And then I see an article like this. I just can't do it.
Question from a concerned Boy Scout parent in the heartland: Obama, do you support forcing the Boy Scouts of America to have homosexual Scout Masters? You do?
Mittens, do you ...
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I feel your pain.
There are some good women leaders, but they’re outnumbered by the feminist types.
Also, the nannies.
Quick story, SM called and said a Scout had done severe enough to warrant intervention by the TC. Had put him on the list for nominees for OA election. Wanted to know what to do. I told him to use his judgement as a SM, if the boy was in that much trouble, he wasn’t upholding the Oath and Law.
Boy was removed from the list. Parents threw a complete conniption. The word got out. A female District Cmte member started this whispering campaign against the SM. Saying that what he had done was “wrong, you just don’t do that to a boy”. I told her to shut her yap, the boy broke the rules and was getting corrected.
Eventually the SM was forced to step down because of those cackling hens running around. And I was encouraged to quit the District Cmte.
The feminists got themselves a twofer on that one.
Forget it. The train is rollin, and there aint no stoppin it now.
The Great Alfred E. Brumley song By Merle Haggard.
The whole article at the link is a propaganda piece.
Unless it has changed, the woman couldn’t have been Scoutmaster of the her son’s “troop” for two reasons. First, Scoutmasters for Scout Troops is reserved for men and secondly, her son is Cub Scout age and he would have been in a Cub Scout “Pack.”
The quote from Mitt is 16 years old and appears to support Scouts in the controversy at that time but ends with wanting all parents to be able to participate — which they can. Scouting keeps acknowledged homosexuals, as well as certain others, outside of Leadership, it doesn’t say they can’t be parents participating under the supervision of Leaders. Scouting has long required “two deep” leadership structure keeping youth supervised by two or more adults to prevent isolation of kids by one adult. This is safer for adults as well.
I think that these people that get in fights with scouting love to drag in any crap from the political and national front to support their line — even an ambiguous 16 year old, out of context, quote.
I have a lot of problems with Mitt Romney, but this is a red herring.
Who is to say what kid is a homosexual, or just a little weird or confused?
If he supports the Scouts changing their policy, then that is a real problem.
The Boy Scouts are supposed to have a platform of tolerance, acceptance, and support -- values that drew my son Cruz to be a scout, and that drew me to want to be a den leader."
Here in my third decade as a Scouter (local, District, Council, Regional, and National), I've yet to see a BSA publication with a platform of 'tolerance, acceptance, and support." I know the Scout Law, the Scout Oath, the Scout Motto, the Cub Scout Oath, the Cub Scout Motto - and so on. Nothing about tolerance and acceptance of lifestyles that don't meet what the BSA considers to be "Morally Straight" or in accordance with the Eleventh Point of the Scout Law: A Scout is Clean (in Word and Deed).
"We believe that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirements in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model for Scouts. Because of these beliefs, the Boy Scouts of America does not accept homosexuals as members or as leaders, whether in volunteer or professional capacities."
Boy Scouts of America, Position Statement on Homosexuality, June 1991
I should point out that the Boy Scouts do not actively seek to determine the sexual orientation of the boys who participate in scouts. The organization precludes gays from being leaders, but also doesn’t specifically target gay parents to keep them from parental involvement in scouting activities.
It is the leadership that the BSA focuses on, now as in 1994. I think some people get confused between the words “participate” and “serve” (like this headline did).
I realize that some people here at this site would support the BSA inquiring about sexual orientation and denying gay-identified boys from joining. The scouts do “tend” to deny atheists, after all, if they are outspoken — because it violates part of the scout oath.
To bad you don't have the whole truth, maybe because you don't want to know.
Oops, sent it out before I saw you did!
Now I have to dip my mouse in bleach and shun my computer for a few hours - I went to glaad.org to grab this graphic.
If Romney has anything to say about it, wouldn’t the “scoutmaster positions” be “ ‘missionary’ positions”...?
In my experience, on Scout trips, I can't even let my son's friend sleep in our tent. A lot of safety procedures are in place to protect the kids and the adults. I am 100% good with that.
The thing is the older scouts influence the younger ones. So if a 17 or 18 year old scout decides he is “gay” but he is not a scout master, that could still cause horrendous problems.
Some of us are going to do it anyway.
You go girl! Seriously though Oklahoma will undoubtably go big for Romney, so who will you write in? I was always intending to write in Palin, but I am withholding that decision until I see how she approaches this election after the coronation ball.
By gawd there aint much difference.
When I vote for this silver spooned wannabee, I will do so with my nose held and angst in my heart for the Republican party.
Come on, Romney is pro-fag rights. Without him Massachusetts would not have “gay marriage”. Romney has been very outspoken regarding his support for the homo agenda.
The “D” word may be what she’s referencing, albeit, incorrectly.
I’ll bet she just couldn’t keep her mouth shut and her desire to agitate overcame any sense she may have had.
If she was truly sincere in putting her son’s interests first, she would have made every effort to suppress her own desires to ensure her son had a legitimate shot at enjoying the program.
But nooooooo...the love that shall not speak it’s name just can’t shut up!
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