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Karl Rove's Early Electoral Map: OBAMA WINS
Business Insider ^ | 04/26/2012 | Brett LoGiurato

Posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Ever since Mitt Romney all but secured the Republican nomination, we were all waiting with bated breath.

Wait no more. Karl Rove has finally put out his inaugural 2012 electoral map. And who's winning?

Barack Obama. Here it is, in all its glory:

Karl Rove electoral map

Rove.com

You can see there how it breaks down: Right now, 284 votes are either solidly for Obama or "leaning Obama." Romney only has 172 solidly in his grasp or "leaning" toward him. The remaining 82 electoral votes are toss-ups.

What does this mean? Well, first, that Romney has some catching up to do and the gravity of the map he's up against. According to this map, even if Romney wins all the toss-up states of Iowa, Missouri, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida — which could be done — he still wouldn't beat Obama.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; electoralmap; karlrove; obama
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1 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So cheer up everyone...the RINO loses :)


2 posted on 04/26/2012 12:17:27 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: SeekAndFind

Rove’s fault.


3 posted on 04/26/2012 12:18:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever the reasons, numbers, blame, etc., I’m petrified that O gets re-elected.


4 posted on 04/26/2012 12:20:52 PM PDT by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: SeekAndFind

why go through all this just put the electoral vote people in a room and let them fight it out ,save tons of money and having to listen to all the bull


5 posted on 04/26/2012 12:22:22 PM PDT by molson209
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To: SeekAndFind

Home of the slaves, land of the freeloaders. We’re all going to be on Barry and the ‘RATS’ plantation now.


6 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hi analysis does not square with just about everything else I’ve read. He’s giving states to Obama that are squarely up in the air or leaning Republican.

Rove is a jackass anyway.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:27 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: SeekAndFind
Karl Rove's Early Electoral Map: OBAMA WINS

For once, I believe Rove is right.

The question becomes: what do we do to stop Obama from implementing his agenda from 2013-2016?

8 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:32 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is SC a toss up because Newt beat Willard’s ass in the primary?


9 posted on 04/26/2012 12:23:42 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (If Romney needs my vote to win Mississippi, he is in a heck of a lot trouble more than me.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Personally, I think that NY is there for Romney to take. Not by a wide margin, but it is winnable for him.
10 posted on 04/26/2012 12:26:09 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: NTegraT
Texas leans Romney? sheesh. Marco Rubio as Veep secures Florida and maybe the Carolinas too.
11 posted on 04/26/2012 12:27:43 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: SeekAndFind

I notice he has Texas only leaning to Romney, and Ohio leaning to Obama.

Just those two things tell me one of us, me, or Rove, doesn’t understand what’s going on.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 12:28:28 PM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Eh. I don’t buy it. Gave no swing states to Romney.

Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio to Obama. Took Florida and SC out completely. Hell, Texas is only “leaning Romney”. That’s just stupid. No way Texas goes Obama.

Rove is trying to motivate Republicans to back Romney.

SnakeDoc


13 posted on 04/26/2012 12:29:23 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just Rove’s way to GOTV.


14 posted on 04/26/2012 12:29:28 PM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So what was it said how Rove was playing this presidential election? Oh yes, he would promote Romney during the primary so he would ultimately lose in the general election, and to actively keep any conservative candidate(s) off the Republican presidential ballot.

Rove appears to be right on cue here according to the Rove critics.


15 posted on 04/26/2012 12:30:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

The only good thing about this election is that either Obama or Romney is going to lose.


16 posted on 04/26/2012 12:31:40 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Romny is going to win this election easily, any Republican would have.

The American People have had enough of Obama.

17 posted on 04/26/2012 12:31:56 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind

SC a tossup?


18 posted on 04/26/2012 12:32:03 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney has to win Florida and Ohio to be competitive. If Obama just wins Ohio then Obama wins the election. I don’t think that’s going to happen but we will know in November if this nation wants to continue down what is an obviously suicidal path.


19 posted on 04/26/2012 12:32:48 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: SeekAndFind
I tend to believe Rove. “The Divine One” has large blocs of voters; gays, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, Asians and young white collegiate idiots; the MSM is totally in “The Divine One’s” pocket; he has far more money than Romney; Romney is a lackluster candidate; massive voter fraud; voter intimidation due to Holder's signal that blacks can appear at polling places and intimidate cowardly white voters. In short, the odds favor the imbeciles re-election.
20 posted on 04/26/2012 12:32:56 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind

:) This is the starting map, I’m sure, that Romney’s team also put together.

This is not the “end” map either team believes will transpire.


21 posted on 04/26/2012 12:35:07 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind
Rove is full of bullshit.

If South Carolina is a toss up so is NY.

The halfrican, communist, mooselimb, prick has as much chance of winning in SC as he does in Texas which they have only leaning for romney. Pure crap.

This is going to be a landslide election and the demonRATS are going to lose so many other seats that the media will be in shock.

The mitten haters here on FR will have to take a week of vacation to comprehend what just happened.

22 posted on 04/26/2012 12:35:20 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every one of those tossups are solid republican wins.

Rove is delusional to think Romney would lose NH and that Texas is going to be close.

280 Obama, 258 Romney

Which means Romney has to flip either MI, OH or PA to win. Any one of them.


23 posted on 04/26/2012 12:37:15 PM PDT by kidd
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To: CommerceComet

I hadn’t thought about it that way—you just brightened my day.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 12:38:30 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: SeekAndFind
If Rove is seriously saying that Texas "leans" Romney...you can throw the whole thing out. Texas is solid, as is the entire South. Also Ohio, Penn. Nevada and Colorado.

I have said for months that the polls are meaningless because no one is going to tell a pollster that they disapprove of Obama and risk being called a racist. Voters will show up in November and vote the Marxist out in a landslide. Despite being called a RINO in FReeperland.

25 posted on 04/26/2012 12:38:47 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: SeekAndFind

at this stage in the game, any map or chart that Karl produces is done for the purpose of raising money for the GOP.


26 posted on 04/26/2012 12:39:38 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: backwoods-engineer

Take over the Senate.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 12:39:47 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Deb
...called a RINO in FReeperland

Kinda sounds like a blues ballad song title.

28 posted on 04/26/2012 12:40:44 PM PDT by KC Burke (Newton's New First Law, Repeal and Restore!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shut up Karl.


29 posted on 04/26/2012 12:42:36 PM PDT by DManA
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To: CommerceComet
The only good thing about this election is that either Obama or Romney is going to lose.

The bad thing is that the country loses no matter which wins.

30 posted on 04/26/2012 12:42:36 PM PDT by Ingtar (When I donate to FR, it does not take the money and run as every politician I donate to does)
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Romney has not even secured the GOP nomination yet.
so this is all just conjecture.

2. Tokyo Rove is an idiot.


31 posted on 04/26/2012 12:42:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kidd

RE: Rove is delusional to think Romney would lose NH

We should remind ourselves that NH is filled with neighboring
Massachusett type libs who caused NH to vote for Obama in 2008.


32 posted on 04/26/2012 12:43:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone posted a link to a YouTube video of election night 1980. Uncle Walter was marveling at the lopsided defeat of his man Jimmah. Mentioned that a poll taken the weekend before the election showed a dead heat with Reagan having a slim 3% lead.

So anyone tells you he can predict what’s going to happen in November, that man is a fool.


33 posted on 04/26/2012 12:45:53 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope Rove is wrong. One place where I KNOW he is wrong is SC! THERE IS NO WAY SC is a toss up.....As a proud South Carolinian I think most of SC would rather secede again than to have Obama as President another 4 years.


34 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:10 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Georgia Girl 2

And will probably be on Hannity’s show any minute now to explain to us why we’re the delusional ones.


35 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:10 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Karl Rove's Early Electoral Map: OBAMA WINS

So Rove is publicly acknowledging he backed a loser, when he was saying Romney was the only one "electable". Does he think this prognostication is going to somehow improve his credibility? That is odd to say the least.

36 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:26 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: fhayek
"Texas leans Romney?"

Yeah, a reality check there, right? Romney needs to come up with a good Southern conservative.

37 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:45 PM PDT by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: KC Burke

#1 with a bullet, baby!!


38 posted on 04/26/2012 12:47:45 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

wishfull thinking.

Romney can’t win with out the right wing. Many of us have said no eff’n way..

The Obama attack machine has not opened fire on Romney yet.

Romney can not outspend Obama like he did in the primaries.

Romney if lucky, will squeak it out with a win. But most likely will loose.

I can hear Obama now. “Romney supported almost all of my plans. Even HE supports me!”


39 posted on 04/26/2012 12:50:40 PM PDT by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: SeekAndFind
True, but that was when Obama ran against McCain.

New Hampshire is quintessential Romney.

40 posted on 04/26/2012 1:02:27 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Peter from Rutland

Rove may be factoring in Demonrat vote fraud (to include under counting of military votes) which is likely to reach unprecedented dimensions this time around. The Osama Obama campaign has an army of 300,000 plotting it right now.


41 posted on 04/26/2012 1:02:49 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: USS Alaska
This is going to be a landslide election and the demonRATS are going to lose so many other seats that the media will be in shock.

Absolutely agree with you. For one thing, unemployment will still be above 8% in November. Obama will lose in a landslide approaching Reagan/Mondale proportions. It's going to shock the wine and cheese crowd on the upper west side of Manhattan.
42 posted on 04/26/2012 1:03:30 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama wins unless we send money to Karl.


43 posted on 04/26/2012 1:06:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Business Insider is an idiot, followed closely by those who are posting pissed at Karl Rove. All Rove has done is take an average of current state-by-state public polling to come up with this map. He isn't predicting anything for election day, and the numbers aren't his anyway, since he just lifted them from others.

Anyone who scoffs at Texas being just a "lean" for Romney shouldn't blame Rove. Again, he's just taking current public polling figures, and if the average is a difference between Romney and Obama of only 5-8%, then that state is a "lean." If the polls have a difference of less than 3%, it's a "tossup." These just show that Romney has his work cut out for him not just to win the tossups, but to secure his own leaners and take away Obama's.

And anyone who thinks Romney has a shot at winning New York is smoking some wacky weed.
44 posted on 04/26/2012 1:07:15 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: NTegraT

I can’t even fantasize our republic surviving a second B Hussein term, but unlike NTegraT, I refuse to be petrified. Lincoln reportedly recognized before the 1860s hostilities began, that the animosity had reached the point at which it could not subside until one side or the other prevailed. Could the animosity have been worse then than it is now? I refuse to be petrified, so I practice a lot. Expensive, but “important, if (please “No,” God) needed.


45 posted on 04/26/2012 1:08:54 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever thet go; others, whenever.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Smooth move, Rove. Sheer genius. The tea party rebellion was roaring to go and we could have elected ANY conservative Republican and you engineered a RINO defeat.


46 posted on 04/26/2012 1:11:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rove's job is to raise money for American Crossroads, which would be more difficult if it looks like Romney is a shoo-in.

He's basing the map on the RCP polling, most of which wasn't completed before Romney clinched the nomination, and much of which includes "registered voters", "adults" and "sentient creatures".

I would crawl over burning coals to vote against Obama, even if the Republican nominee were Chumlee from "Pawn Stars" or Snooki from "Jersey Shore". It doesn't matter, I'm voting against Obama. Romney isn't my favorite, but "ABO".

47 posted on 04/26/2012 1:11:57 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not gonna happen. I don’t think it will be close. Romney will crush Obama.


48 posted on 04/26/2012 1:14:16 PM PDT by Justice4awe
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To: drjimmy

It is early and this thing has NOT even started..... rove is simply putting out a SHOCK message to Republicans to get them to GET UP and get focused. I hope those here at FR are as well because this American can NOT let his family live through another 4 years of this demise. One last note... SUPREME COURT. That is your grandchildren and great grandchildren you are protecting.


49 posted on 04/26/2012 1:15:00 PM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is the starting map, I’m sure, that Romney’s team also put together.

This is not the “end” map either team believes will transpire.

Exactly, so many on the thread are missing this. Plus, read the whitepaper, the predictions are according to the latest polling average in each state. This isn't Rove bringing out his crystal ball, this is a graphical representation of the polls as they are showing right now.

Stop panicing (or celebrating, for the masochists).

50 posted on 04/26/2012 1:15:19 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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