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2 House Democrats Defeated After Opposing Health Law (Jason Altmire and Tim Holden)
NY Times ^ | April 25, 2012 | JONATHAN WEISMAN

Posted on 04/26/2012 6:17:29 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON — The defeat of two conservative House Democrats by more liberal opponents in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary illustrates the strong hold the new health care law still has over committed Democratic voters and foreshadows an even more polarized Congress next year in the aftermath of the latest round of redistricting.

Representatives Jason Altmire and Tim Holden both lost in primaries to opponents who joined together with activist groups to pummel the veteran lawmakers over the opposition to the new health care law and climate change legislation — positions they had used to their advantage in the past to show their independence from President Obama and the Democratic Party.

“A lot of us thought of his record as his strength,” said Hugh M. Reiley, the chairman of the Schuylkill County Democratic Party, referring to Mr. Holden. “He was not falling prey to all that party bickering. He was able to reach across the aisle.”

“Last night, the Democratic Party became more liberal,” he added.

While Republicans have seized on the health care law as a political weapon to employ against the president and Congressional Democrats, many Democratic voters and party activists see it as a major achievement and are poised to punish Democrats who fought it. The results on Tuesday also suggest health care could be a major rallying cry if the Supreme Court overturns all or part of the law this summer.

Mr. Altmire, who lost to a fellow incumbent, Representative Mark Critz, after they were thrown into a new district together, was able to ride his health care opposition to re-election in 2010. That position...

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In eastern Pennsylvania, state Republicans stuffed the Democratic cities of Scranton and Wilkes-Barre into Mr. Holden’s formerly conservative-leaning seat. The result: A 10-term congressman and founding member of the centrist Blue Dog coalition...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: jasonaltmire; timholden
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This is good news! The rats moved to the right in 2006 and 2008 when they picked House and Senate candidates. Now they're going back to the left!!!
1 posted on 04/26/2012 6:17:35 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Born Conservative; airborne; smoothsailing; Dr. Scarpetta; martin_fierro; Coop; Tribune7; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/26/2012 6:20:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

LOL two conservative house democrats...


3 posted on 04/26/2012 6:25:49 PM PDT by wild74
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To: neverdem

What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?


4 posted on 04/26/2012 6:27:21 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: neverdem
The defeat of two conservative House Democrats.....................

ROFLOL....!!! Is there such a thing?

No...there isn't anymore.

5 posted on 04/26/2012 6:29:37 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat?

The ultimate oxymoron.

6 posted on 04/26/2012 6:31:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: neverdem

The people of Pennsylvania who voted out anyone for opposing Obamacare must be mentally defective.

Or on the Dole.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 6:34:33 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat?

It's ok to abort the child but not to kill it after birth.

8 posted on 04/26/2012 6:34:41 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: neverdem
Absolute loyalty to the Marxist principles of the DemoRat party will be enforced.

No Exceptions.

9 posted on 04/26/2012 6:36:10 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: neverdem

The dems are just follwing Zero’s lead and eating dogs, in this case blue ones.


10 posted on 04/26/2012 6:37:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?

..that's a rat who leaves you enough money to make a phone call...collect

11 posted on 04/26/2012 6:41:00 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: neverdem

I’m hoping this is a good thing. Holden was kinda conservative. Definitely from a conservative leaning area. It might go repub this fall.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 6:45:56 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: wild74

“LOL two conservative house democrats...”

I’ve never heard of that species before either.


13 posted on 04/26/2012 6:48:47 PM PDT by max americana
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To: neverdem
democrat-guide
14 posted on 04/26/2012 6:53:23 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: neverdem
Pennsylvania is due to lose one congressional seat as a result of the once-per-decade redistricting process, and the Republican-controlled state legislature combined the seats represented by the two Democrats, creating a new 12th District.

Sounds like they were gerrymandered into Democrat majority districts. No loss to us.

15 posted on 04/26/2012 6:57:39 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Venturer
The people of Pennsylvania who voted out anyone for opposing Obamacare must be mentally defective.

The winner Critz basically opposed Obamacare too although he voted against repeal. I don't think that was really an issue in this race, sounds more like spin.

16 posted on 04/26/2012 6:58:59 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: neverdem
Jason Altmire is one of the biggest lying weasels to ever sit in the PA House. His campaign commercials were laughable.
17 posted on 04/26/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Sorry,no tag line today.)
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To: neverdem
Critz was the district director for the 12th's longtime congressman, John Murtha. Following Murtha's death, Critz won the May 2010 special election with 53% of the vote to complete Murtha's term. Critz was sworn in on May 20.[3] Critz won a full term in November 2010 to represent the 12th District in Congress........from wiki

A Murtha crony

18 posted on 04/26/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (If You Don’t Look Like Obama’s Son, No One Cares)
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To: stevio

Yes, it could make the GOP alternative more popular in November. Primaries are squirrelly things at best, with their pitiful turnouts. What happened here sounds more like it reflected activism than it reflected the broad desire of Democrat voters.


19 posted on 04/26/2012 6:59:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Venturer
The people of Pennsylvania who voted out anyone for opposing Obamacare must be mentally defective.

Pennsylvania has closed primaries, so only Democrats voted in these particular races. So of course they're all mentally defective, THEY'RE DEMOCRATS!!! :o)

20 posted on 04/26/2012 6:59:53 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: neverdem

Not exactly. They “Faked” to the right with Blue Dog canidates in a calculated move to get Nancy Pelosi control of the House. The party never moved an inch to the right in ideology....I’m sure these “Conservative” Democrats were told who REALLY runs things in DC when they arrived the first day. Kind of like how the TEA PARTY Congressman are probably told by Establishment GOP’ers like Boehner the first day how things work.


21 posted on 04/26/2012 7:09:03 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem, and voters!


22 posted on 04/26/2012 7:15:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?

From your lips to God's ear.

Around here they wear the label "RINO."

23 posted on 04/26/2012 7:15:39 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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To: Osage Orange
Conservative Democrat
Dodo
Quagga
Passenger Pigeon
Tasmanian Tiger
Wooly Mammoth

You get where I am going...
24 posted on 04/26/2012 7:15:58 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: neverdem; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita

Interesting that the MSM is talking about the plight of centerist ‘Rats.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 7:18:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Venturer

Meanwhile, the drumbeat of Dictator Obama grows louder:

regulate -— control -— destroy -— Regulate -— control -— destroy -— REgulate -— control -— destroy -— REGulate -— control -— destroy -— REGU


26 posted on 04/26/2012 7:31:27 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ..

That’s an interesting spin.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 7:49:40 PM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: neverdem
By winning the house, senate and gubbernors seat in 2010, which was also the year of the census, and since we in PA lost a congress critter, we re-aligned the districts so that one demonRAT will be gone for sure and the second one will be in a rough general election.

A double two-fer, like putting four feral cats in a gunny sack with a little gasoline, put a rope around the top and suspend it from a tree limb.

When they are done squealing you can light it {or not}, but it can be served in the white hut {doggy substitute} over white rice and green chile peppers.

28 posted on 04/26/2012 7:50:33 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Venturer
The people of Pennsylvania

In PA we have closed primaries, demonRATS can only vote for demonRATs, pubbies for pubbies and all others {independents, greenies, etc...} stay home.

I was and Independent for over two decades and only registered so I could vote in the primary elections.

I switch parties depending whether I want to vote for or against some one.

The down side is your name shows up on both party lists and you get crushed with phone calls, junk mail, door knockers from both parties.

29 posted on 04/26/2012 7:56:44 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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The party never moved an inch to the right in ideology....

Most of the party leadership never moved an inch to the right in ideology. Don't forget Harry Reid needed the NRA's emdorsemeent in 2010. They got candidates who were pro Second Amendment or pro life as needed starting in 2006. Bob Casey is a pro life example. In early 2009, 64 rats in the House sent a letter to Holder about renewing the so called assault weapons ban. They told him to pound sand. So we got Fast & Furious. Since they took Congress in 2006 what serious gun grabbing has been done?

30 posted on 04/26/2012 8:12:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Sooth2222

Actuallly, while the new PA-12 combined districts held by two Democrats (Altmire’s PA-04 and Critz’s (and formerly Murtha’s) PA-12), neither was a heavily Democrat district. In fact, John McCain arried both districts, and the new PA-12 gave him 54% of the vote (around 10% more than in PA as a whole), making it a very winnable district for the GOP. Our nominee is Keith Rothfus, who came within around 1% of defeating Altmire in 2010 and who should be favored to beat Critz this November. http://www.keithpa4.com/


31 posted on 04/26/2012 8:19:03 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: wild74

Yes, LOL, because it’s a fiction....these two probably only voted against it because they were up for election. The Democrats often permit their most vulnerable members to cross the aisle when elections are coming that way they can claim to be conservative when conservative will be the winning issue. But the funny thing is the Democrats have no loyalty and the liberals kicked their rears out. It’s going to be fun to see where this goes in the general election.


32 posted on 04/26/2012 8:37:54 PM PDT by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: neverdem

So in short, two Democrats were replaced with two more Democrats.

Shocking...


33 posted on 04/26/2012 8:43:37 PM PDT by DB
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To: stevio

Good point.

By the way, were these winning candidates supported by that group that is backing all those who are challenging incumbents?


34 posted on 04/26/2012 8:56:18 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: tflabo
"What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?"

By my count, in just three years and change, Obama & Pelosi are responsible for 2/3rd's of the Blue Dog Coalition voted out.

They went from agenda-setting to wielding little to no power over Democrat Congressional policy in less than half a decade.

35 posted on 04/26/2012 9:40:22 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: neverdem
Tim Holdens new district changed from farm country to picking up Allentown and Bethlehem, two heavy union towns, with heavy unemployment.

He was good at getting spending money to spread around. Not gonna lose sleep over his demise.

PA is turning into a refuge for society's refuse.

36 posted on 04/26/2012 9:43:08 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Venturer

Keep in mind folks this was a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY that they lost, not a general election. The dems were battling to be the candidate, and when pandering to democratic leftists, the one who goes more communist wins. In the general election it will be a different story.

Its been amusing watching the democratic primaries actually, because when its time for the general, the Republican need only run the democratic guys own ad against them. What will get you votes from the communist block won’t win you a general election.


37 posted on 04/26/2012 10:02:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: tflabo

“What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?”

Well, going by the primary results, if they werent before tuesday, they are now. I dont consider this good news unless the leftist Dems are defeated.


38 posted on 04/26/2012 10:02:59 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: neverdem

Since they took Congress in 2006 what serious LIBERTY grabbing has been done?

A LOT!


39 posted on 04/26/2012 10:06:54 PM PDT by WOSG (Anyone But Obama)
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To: stevio
This isn't really good news. Holden was fairly conservative. Cartwright will breeze to a win in November and he is hard core leftist democrat. That was expected.

The district is now heavily D but the trade off was a safer district for Barletta (R). Plus Holden was pitted against another incumbant D so its one less democrat but Cartwright will vote lockstep with Pelosi.

40 posted on 04/27/2012 3:10:07 AM PDT by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?

One who doesn't "champion" any of the usual atrocites, but who still votes for every one of them.

41 posted on 04/27/2012 3:32:33 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Sooth2222

Critz could be beaten. (Neither Critz nor Altmire won by much last time out). Cartwright is safe.


42 posted on 04/27/2012 4:23:34 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: firebrand

I don’t know the answer to your question


43 posted on 04/27/2012 5:35:28 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: NEPA

You probably know better than me since your screen name is NEPA. My experience with people from that district is they are truly blue-dog democrats. Hopefully this will wake them up. Barletta won from a similar demographic district.


44 posted on 04/27/2012 5:42:13 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: airborne

“Tim Holdens new district changed from farm country to picking up Allentown and Bethlehem, two heavy union towns, with heavy unemployment.”


No, Allentown and Bethlehem are still in Dent’s PA-15. Holden did get nearby Easton, though, plus Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, and the union vote in those cities cost him the nomination.

Holden was one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress (particularly on social issues), and while he was unacceptably liberal on economic issues for the majority-Republican district he used to represent, he would have been a Godsend in the redrawn, heavily Democrat PA-17.


45 posted on 04/27/2012 6:11:02 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: NEPA

“Plus Holden was pitted against another incumbant D so its one less democrat”


Actually, PA only lost one CD in the 2010 Census (after having lost two in 2000), and the only incumbents pitted against each other in PA were Altmire and Critz in Western PA. (2002 PA redistricting did pit two pairs of Democrat incumbents against each other, Murtha and Mascara in Western PA and Hoeffel and Borski (the latter of whom decided to retire) in Montco and NE Philly; it also pit a Republican against a Democrat in Dauphin, Lebanon and Schuylkill Counties, where unfortunately Republican George Gekas literally was caught napping (in his car in a Capitol parking garage) and Holden beat him.)


46 posted on 04/27/2012 6:18:42 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: stevio

“Barletta won from a similar demographic district.”


True, but Barletta beat the scandal-plagued Kanjorski in a PA-11 that included a lot of GOP and marginal precincts and had given President Bush 47% in 2004; the new PA-17 is quite a bit more Democrat than the old Kanjorski district.


47 posted on 04/27/2012 6:22:11 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: tflabo
What’s a ‘conservative democrat? Some sort of extinct species?

From the left-wing media perspective, a Dem who is not as left-wing as the average dem is a "conservative democrat", and a Marxist dem is just a Democrat.

On a Republican side, you have "moderate Republicans" (those who vote with Dems on important issues), and the "Radical Right".

48 posted on 04/27/2012 6:40:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

You’re right. I get confused with all the redistricting. Either way Holden would be better than Cartwright and that redrawn district has no chance of ever being republican.

The area is fairly conservative on social issues but big time left on fiscal. Actually that describes Casey senior. He’s thought of as being conservative because he was so pro life but actually he was pretty liberal on fiscal issues. A typical Scranton democrat.

I don’t think unions are that influential around here anymore. At least not numbers wise although they can pool their money and make an impact.


49 posted on 04/27/2012 7:00:38 AM PDT by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: HamiltonJay
Keep in mind folks this was a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY that they lost, not a general election. The dems were battling to be the candidate, and when pandering to democratic leftists, the one who goes more communist wins. In the general election it will be a different story.

Its been amusing watching the democratic primaries actually, because when its time for the general, the Republican need only run the democratic guys own ad against them. What will get you votes from the communist block won’t win you a general election.


Worth repeating word for word.

Also;
Question: "WTF is a conservative democrap?"
GOP-e Answer: A democrap slightly to the left of the "severely conservative" Willard
50 posted on 04/27/2012 7:36:01 AM PDT by kevcol
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