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Obama Makes the Wrong Call on Oil Speculation (Speculator are NOT to blame for rising oil prices)
Fiscal Times ^ | 04/27/2012 | By BRUCE BARTLETT

Posted on 04/27/2012 4:55:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: DMG2FUN

Speculators have an easy bet with Democrats in charge of any of the 3 parts of the legislative branch of government, gas supply will be down, making prices go up.


41 posted on 04/28/2012 7:25:34 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I think you need to go back to square one and learn how speculation works. Here’s a good start:

http://money.howstuffworks.com/oil-speculation-raise-gas-price.htm

People who deny that speculation raises the price of oil beyond its actual worth are basically living under a rock.


42 posted on 04/28/2012 9:32:27 AM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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I think you need to go back to square one and learn how speculation works.

That's funny. Beyond it's actual worth? That's even funnier.

43 posted on 04/28/2012 11:01:56 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: flintsilver7
Man, that link is hilarious!

The CFTC was established by Congress in 1974 specifically to prevent speculation from artificially inflating the price of commodities.

No it wasn't.

The CFTC's mission is to protect market users and the public from fraud, manipulation, abusive practices and systemic risk related to derivatives that are subject to the Commodity Exchange Act, and to foster open, competitive, and financially sound markets.
Source

In fact, at that source, the words inflate, artificially and inflating aren't even there.

But a speculator with the capital to purchase a sizeable number of futures derivatives at one price can actually sway the market.

But a speculator with the capital to sell a sizeable number of futures derivatives at one price can actually sway the market.

A speculator purchasing vast futures at higher than the current market price can cause oil producers to horde their commodity in the hopes they'll be able to sell it later on at the future price.

Or it can cause oil producers to sell their commodity now in the fear they'll have to sell it later on at a lower price.

If they want to sell it in the future, at the "futures price", all they have to do is sell a future.

As a result of speculation among these and other major players, an estimated 60 percent of the price of oil per barrel was added; a $100 barrel of oil, in reality, should cost $40 [source: Engdahl].

I don't know about you, but if I have a product that is "only worth $40" and it's selling for $100, I'm going to go all out to produce more now and I'll be selling those ridiculously priced futures contracts by the tankerful. In reality, I'd clean up.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

44 posted on 04/28/2012 11:42:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I’m sorry, are you under the impression that there are an equal number of long and short positions being held in the oil futures market? The reason speculation has such an effect is because closed long positions, which should theoretically drop the price of oil, are immediately replaced with new long positions.

Yes, it is theoretically possible that speculators could drive the price down. The problem is that history does not show that speculators have ever done this. The speculation market by definition is a zero-sum game. Its effect on the spot price of oil, however, is *not* a zero-sum game.

Global oil demand and global oil supply have mirrored each other for more than 30 years. The oil-producing nations now are as unstable as they have been. The instability, in other words, is nothing new. Yet we have seen massive fluctuations in the price of oil despite this. If speculation has no role, how do you explain this?


45 posted on 04/28/2012 1:01:53 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: flintsilver7
I’m sorry, are you under the impression that there are an equal number of long and short positions being held in the oil futures market?

I’m sorry, are you under the impression that you can be long a futures contract without a short on the other side? LOL!

46 posted on 04/28/2012 1:13:18 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: flintsilver7

“People who deny that speculation raises the price of oil beyond its actual worth are basically living under a rock.”
I would rather see the price of gas go up because of speculation. Then by leftist aka progressive epa laws.


47 posted on 05/04/2012 10:32:22 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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