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New Secret Service rules on alcohol, unsavory bars
http://news.yahoo.com/secret-rules-alcohol-unsavory-bars-233826181.html ^ | 4/27/12 | ALICIA A. CALDWELL, LAURIE KELLMAN

Posted on 04/27/2012 5:27:01 PM PDT by Libloather

New Secret Service rules on alcohol, unsavory bars
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and LAURIE KELLMAN | Associated Press – 20 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Seeking to shake the disgrace of a prostitution scandal, the Secret Service late Friday tightened conduct rules for its agents to prohibit them from drinking excessively, visiting disreputable establishments while traveling or bringing foreigners to their hotel rooms.

The new behavior policies apply to Secret Service agents even when they are off duty while traveling, barring them from drinking alcohol within 10 hours of working, according to a memorandum describing the changes obtained by The Associated Press. In some cases under the new rules, chaperones will accompany agents on trips. The embattled Secret Service director, Mark Sullivan, urged agents and other employees to "consider your conduct through the lens of the past several weeks."

The Secret Service said it would conduct a training session on ethics next week.

Sullivan said the rules "cannot address every situation that our employees will face as we execute our dual-missions throughout the world." He added: "The absence of a specific, published standard of conduct covering an act or behavior does not mean that the act is condoned, is permissible, or will not call for — and result in — corrective or disciplinary action."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alcohol; bars; hookers; secretservice; sourcetitlenoturl
New rules. Think Commiecare™. My best guess - 'unsavory' begins when one of these clowns show up. Oh, and be sure to blame the bar.


1 posted on 04/27/2012 5:27:12 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
The new rules are that all the supervisors going overseas with the teams must be GS15's rather than GS14's.

As is always usual in these cases the bosses get promotions!

2 posted on 04/27/2012 5:33:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Libloather

Never, EVER went to a savory bar in my life ... never.


3 posted on 04/27/2012 5:33:26 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Libloather

The Secret Service will have chaperones? That’s gonna put a crimp in the old prom.


4 posted on 04/27/2012 5:35:05 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6; Liz; AT7Saluki
In some cases under the new rules, chaperones will accompany agents on trips.

Because they, as we all know, are children.

5 posted on 04/27/2012 5:39:05 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather

Common sense and integrity is not something you train for... you either have it or you don’t.

Common sense is defined by Merriam-Webster as, “sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts.”

Perhaps it’s just me, but I would have thought that might have been a job prerequisite.


6 posted on 04/27/2012 5:40:47 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Libloather

“The new behavior policies apply to Secret Service agents even when they are off duty while traveling, barring them from drinking alcohol within 10 hours of working...”

That should solve everything and protect the president. As a secret service mercenary in the gig for fat weekly paychecks and a huge retirement bonus, I can hit the bimbo bars from 4 pm until 10 pm, get drunk on my azz and report for duty at 8am.


7 posted on 04/27/2012 5:41:19 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Libloather

Back when Barry was on his Canadian built bus tour last summer, one of his SS guys got an off-duty OWI bust in Decorah, Iowa...


8 posted on 04/27/2012 5:43:40 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: knarf

If you feel that you have to drink and visit unsavory bars, stay on the WH grounds.


9 posted on 04/27/2012 5:44:32 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Libloather
How STUPID. Now they have publicly said a place where they will not go.

ONLY THEORIZING HERE: If al Qaeda or al Shabaab or Abu Sayyef were brilliant, they would now, outside of safe houses if under observation, have their operational planning sessions in VIP rooms, etc. in sordid strip joints and seedy whorehouses then, throughout Asia and Europe, Africa, Latin America (which they do anyways--i.e. the 19 in Maryland before 9-11, or they could do--allowed to do so by any radical imam's taqiyya-based fatwa's for the greater "jihad good") if they ever wanted to activate a cell to do damage to a visiting high level VIP team or CODEL (Congressional delegation). The USG has just said, and made public, an area or areas of safe haven for foreign threats.

Just like the TSA is run (an international joke in the eyes of their security colleagues around the world) these stupid federal bureaucrats living in a bubble don't think things out, they haven't played chess or read Sun Tzu a day in their lives. I guess next they will forbid the CIA or FBI from monitoring these places...

10 posted on 04/27/2012 5:49:10 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Gator113
Common sense and integrity is not something you train for... you either have it or you don’t.

Agreed, I think this is just a sign of the decaying society we live in.
11 posted on 04/27/2012 5:49:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s not the Secret Service’s job to conduct law enforcement operations in foreign countries. If intelligence was gathered that there was a possible threat to the POTUS (or anyone else under SS protection), they would inform their own agents of the threat and alert the government of the country in which they were visiting.

The Secret Service wouldn’t go on a thunder run to kick in doors in someone else’s country—that’s not their job.


12 posted on 04/27/2012 5:52:56 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: knarf

Well...yeah! What would be the purpose?


13 posted on 04/27/2012 5:53:33 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: knarf
LOL! Yep, if the bathroom didn't smell like you were standing in a urinal instead of in front of it ... no place for me.
14 posted on 04/27/2012 5:54:13 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Libloather
In some cases under the new rules, chaperones will accompany agents on trips.

Those chaperones are usually called commissars.

15 posted on 04/27/2012 5:54:54 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Libloather
Remember the 11th commandment, Don't Get Caught.

16 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:03 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Greysard

Those chaperones are usually called commissars.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Yes, from the ‘movies’, the USSR and German Subs all had at least one ‘party member’ as part of the crew.
You know, the S/A on a Uboat that insisted on a few “Heils” per watch and basically spied on the crew.
Kurt Jurgens “The Enemy Below” ‘solved’ that fanatics whimseys by placing his towel over the swastika

Of course when they had to shoot old laundry and ‘dead’ crewmen out the tubes to ‘fool’ the enemy, the ‘party’ man was more than likely 1st choice amongst the crew...etc...


17 posted on 04/27/2012 6:07:41 PM PDT by xrmusn (#6/98# Let's start from scratch by voting ALL incumbents out.)
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To: Libloather

This is gonna really piz some people off. LOL


18 posted on 04/27/2012 6:10:09 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Anyone not wanting an ID or purple thumb to vote isn't worthy of voting privilege.)
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To: Libloather

Who drinks a beer with their pinky out?


19 posted on 04/27/2012 6:10:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Greysard
Zampolit.

/johnny

20 posted on 04/27/2012 6:13:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Libloather

Just how is a Secret Service Agent supposed to know what an unsavory bar looks like, or how much alcohol is an excess for that particular individual? Somebody will get a multi-million dollar Federal contract to conduct training.


21 posted on 04/27/2012 6:20:27 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: sergeantdave

We had a 12 hour no alcohol before going into the detention center at GTMO.

What is the flight rules, no alcohol within 100 feet of the plane and no smoking 12 hours before flight?


22 posted on 04/27/2012 6:21:24 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Libloather

I see. They make new rules when the problem was that they didn’t follow the old rules. Makes sense???


23 posted on 04/27/2012 6:58:50 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: knarf

The “Off-Limits” lists were always good bar guides when I was in the service. Especially handy when assigned to a new base.


24 posted on 04/27/2012 7:01:19 PM PDT by 386wt
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To: xrmusn
Those chaperones are usually called commissars.

Also called "minders".

25 posted on 04/27/2012 7:23:24 PM PDT by Rapscallion (For English press "3", or "4". Whatever.)
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To: knarf

I used to hit twenty or thirty “unsavory bars” a night, one night in six...

Shore patrol in Olongopo City, Subic Bay, the Philippines. We lieutenants of the visiting Marine Battalion Landing Team accompanied the regular Navy Shore Patrol on their rounds to keep an eye on our troops. It was a good idea. Kept our guys from giving the Navy SP to much trouble.

Three blocks outside the gate, both sides.

PT Barnum would have loved it. What a circus/zoo.

Always said that this was one place just waiting for the wrath of God.

Sure enough, 15 years later Mt Pinatubo dumped several feet of ash on Olongapo.

Me? I spent my liberty at the base gokart track. I figured that was the best way to stay out of trouble. As I look back 35 or so years later, it was a wise decision.


26 posted on 04/27/2012 7:39:09 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Libloather

I would think that any bar with Hillary, the Food Stamp President or any of the administration would be deemed to be unsavory!


27 posted on 04/27/2012 7:40:12 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Libloather

Glad to see the SS is tightening up. Heck, in aviation we went to 8 hrs from bottle to throttle instead of 8 feet years ago!


28 posted on 04/27/2012 7:45:58 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: muawiyah

I want the job as their GS15 chaperone! :)


29 posted on 04/27/2012 8:29:38 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Libloather

“Hey, brown sugar jus wake me up at 4am for your American Green. I be on duty tomorro”


30 posted on 04/27/2012 8:43:04 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Yes, but they are tasked with advance work and that is (including) counterintelligence, countersurveillance, discussion of the local protection environment, grasp of known cells and threats, and cooperation with the local agencies either US Embassy or local government. I can also imagine the SS at a G-20 summit. 90% of the protective guys off duty from various countries, minus Arab states maybe, will be going out for a beer to bond in a friendly country, discuss cooperation, etc. but the US guys just might have to whine down to the front desk/lobby "sorry, we might not be able to attend tonight, as we can't just seem to find our CHAPERONE." (LOL).

Also, anyone wanna guess this "chaperone" is going to look like Janet Reno, Janet Napolitano or Sandra Fluke?

31 posted on 04/27/2012 8:43:45 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Libloather

Closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped.


32 posted on 04/27/2012 8:44:07 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: sergeantdave
I can hit the bimbo bars from 4 pm until 10 pm, get drunk on my azz and report for duty at 8am.

"As long as I get 1 hour of sleep.......*snap fingers* I'm cool."

33 posted on 04/27/2012 8:46:36 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Libloather

Years ago when I was in the Navy and stationed in the Philippines, the first places we’d go were the bars designated “off limits.” Great places, great cold beer, great hot women!


34 posted on 04/27/2012 8:53:07 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: dfwgator
LOL. This whole thing will flop, like the jack*ss idea of kids on milk cartons, scaring the hell out of other kids all over America (Mommy, am *I* going to get kidnapped and killed by a bad man like that boy on the Borden's milk pack?"), or aspirin bottles that no way can an 85-year-old with arthritis living alone get opened. Stupid solutions borne out of stupid ideas and reasoning.

Hey, what if an SS agent is "gay" or "lesbian", and openly goes to a local "gay bar" off-hours. If that was considered by his chaperone later as a "disreputable establishment", could not the USG become the defendent in a sexual orientation discrimination suit? Oh, I am sure the White House would overlook THOSE kinds of outings (extra curricular activities).

35 posted on 04/27/2012 8:54:27 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Libloather
Secret Service director, Mark Sullivan said the rules "cannot address every situation that our employees will face as we execute our dual-missions throughout the world." He added: "The absence of a specific, published standard of conduct covering an act or behavior does not mean that the act is condoned, is permissible, or will not call for — and result in — corrective or disciplinary action."


36 posted on 04/27/2012 9:46:54 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Rembrandt
"Years ago when I was in the Navy and stationed in the Philippines, the first places we’d go were the bars designated “off limits.”"

Really? I was in Subic numerous times in the mid 70's-80's and never heard of an "off limits" bar. Remember Jolo's at the end of Masaysay, and another one to the left on the cross street? Some pretty nasty stuff - think stacks of coins. Double bullets were your friends before arriving home, har. Great times.

37 posted on 04/28/2012 8:26:38 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

“”Years ago when I was in the Navy and stationed in the Philippines, the first places we’d go were the bars designated “off limits.””

Really? I was in Subic numerous times in the mid 70’s-80’s and never heard of an “off limits” bar. Remember Jolo’s at the end of Masaysay, and another one to the left on the cross street? Some pretty nasty stuff - think stacks of coins. Double bullets were your friends before arriving home, har. Great times.

Well, that’s all good and I’m happy that things were so rosy when you were in the PI.

I was in the PI from 1968 - 1970. There were typically three off-limits bars including the Top Three and the East End..I forget the other one.


38 posted on 04/28/2012 8:16:14 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Rembrandt
- think stacks of coins.

hehehehehe....that brought back memories with images...thank you!

39 posted on 04/28/2012 8:24:47 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Are you behind a "Blade of Grass?")
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To: Rembrandt

I was at Clark AB, 1961-62. There were a few Off Limits joints in Angeles, and they were Off Limits for a reason. If you went in some of these dives, you might not come back out. Spent some off-duty time in Angeles, just for a change of scenery. That was an interesting ride from Angeles to Olongapo and back on the Philippine Rabbit.


40 posted on 04/28/2012 8:26:53 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Libloather; a fool in paradise

That’s how it always works: one sucker spoils it for the rest of them. All for $47 dollars.

I have countless stories from the corporate jungle about such incidents. You gotta protect what you can get away with.


41 posted on 04/28/2012 8:27:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Ax

S/B Spent some off-duty time in Olongapo.


42 posted on 04/28/2012 8:28:42 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Rembrandt
"Well, that’s all good and I’m happy that things were so rosy when you were in the PI.

Yup, very rosy, thanks. So sorry I wasn't in country getting my limbs blown off or got deaded.

If you look around this site and especially under VetsCoR, you'll see that I've tried to make up the difference. I'm also a current financial supporter of the Wounded Warriors project and ride with the Patriot Guard Riders to honor our home-coming military dead and Veterans who pass on.

However, with all my limbs and sanity in tact, I guess my 11 years Aviation Navy doesn't count nor does my last decade of supporting military/vet causes. Get bullets whizzing by or blown up from an IED - good. Don't get sunk on a ship - bad.

43 posted on 04/29/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

“Yup, very rosy, thanks. So sorry I wasn’t in country getting my limbs blown off or got deaded.

If you look around this site and especially under VetsCoR, you’ll see that I’ve tried to make up the difference. I’m also a current financial supporter of the Wounded Warriors project and ride with the Patriot Guard Riders to honor our home-coming military dead and Veterans who pass on.

However, with all my limbs and sanity in tact, I guess my 11 years Aviation Navy doesn’t count nor does my last decade of supporting military/vet causes. Get bullets whizzing by or blown up from an IED - good. Don’t get sunk on a ship - bad.”


I have no idea what your problem is, but I’m glad it’s your problem and not mine!


44 posted on 04/29/2012 7:20:24 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: blueunicorn6
"The Secret Service will have chaperones?"

That's the job to have. Ho rules on them.

45 posted on 04/29/2012 7:24:36 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Any Republican. Just NO Obama.)
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