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Poll: Lugar Trailing Mourdock By Five Points (Whoo Hoooooo)
http://www.wfpl.org ^ | APRIL 26, 2012 | PHILLIP M. BAILEY

Posted on 04/28/2012 5:27:22 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Longtime Indiana Senator Dick Lugar is trailing state Treasurer Richard Mourdock by five points in the closely watched Republican primary, according to a new poll on behalf of Citizens United.

The survey shows Mourdock leading with 44 percent and Lugar at 39 percent, with nearly 17 percent of voters still undecided. Lugar supporters point out that Citizens United is backing Mourdock in the May 8 primary, however.

Both candidates have seen their favorable numbers plummet and the nastiness is expected to increase with less than two weeks left.

From Politico:

The Club for Growth has just reserved another $421,000 of TV time to batter Lugar, charging in a new spot that he is “clinging to power, throwing mud.”

Meanwhile, the pro-Lugar American Action Network is on the air with an ad attacking Mourdock’s “reckless” mismanagement of state money as treasurer.

In recent days, the Lugar campaign has also launched a series of attacks against the Tea Party challenger, claiming Mourdock failed to report several owned properties while highlighting that he once supported the Fairness Doctrine.

(Excerpt) Read more at wfpl.org ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: dicklugar; gope; indiana; norinos; richardlugar; richardmourdock; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 04/28/2012 5:27:28 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Dick Lugar missed his opportunity to retire gracefully after many years service to Indiana. He proved to be a fool for over staying...
2 posted on 04/28/2012 5:29:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I sure hope this happens.


3 posted on 04/28/2012 5:32:15 AM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
You still have the very negative effect Romney will have on this primary ~ he depresses Conservative turnout substantially and that's going to eat away at Mourdock's lead like nothing else.
4 posted on 04/28/2012 5:34:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

A fire hydrant has more personality than Lugar...kick this RINO to the curb, and shame on anyone that would cast a vote for him...


5 posted on 04/28/2012 5:35:49 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: samtheman

This poll was done before Sarah endorsed and Lugar lost the backing of of his major Super PAC backer.


6 posted on 04/28/2012 5:35:49 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

We need to make sure he is defeated and ensure the elitists stay out of the way !


7 posted on 04/28/2012 5:38:42 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: muawiyah

I beg to differ. You should see the number (100’s) of Mourdock yard signs and the number of retire Lugar signs. As of today I have only seen 3 houses with Lugar signs.

Granted, this is Hamilton county we are talking about, but several hundred to 3?


8 posted on 04/28/2012 5:38:49 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
The Mittbots engage in voter suppression. They will succeed beyond their wildest dreams in Indiana and other states holding primaries on the 5th.

I"ve been telling you guys you can't support or ACCEPT a Romney candidacy without giving it all up down the ballot ~ in both the primary and in the general election.

Romney is simply poison on a Republican ballot anywhere!

9 posted on 04/28/2012 5:42:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Still don’t agree. My apolitical neighbors were over last night. I asked them what they thought. “Lugar has to go.” I then asked will you vote in the primary this year. The response: a very enthusiastic “Hell yes we are voting. We said Lugar has to go.”

The on the ground sentiment here in Indiana is very very anti Lugar, and very tepid support from the pro Lugar people. Lugar is toast.


10 posted on 04/28/2012 5:50:09 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: muawiyah

In addition, what difference does voting in the presidential primary for the presidential nominee ever make in Indiana. Can you remember even once that Indiana had any impact on the nominee?


11 posted on 04/28/2012 5:53:32 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Yeah...send his old a** packing! I can say this cause I’m getting pretty old myself!


12 posted on 04/28/2012 5:56:06 AM PDT by Cricket24 (NO MORE RINO'S....That means you Romney)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
How much do you want to bet that the same GOP-E folks demanding we fall in behind Mitt Romney will be trashing and backstabbing Mourdock if he knocks off their beloved RINO Lugar?

To them, not maintaining a residence in the state you represent isn't a flaw, it's sound financial planning. Why waste money putting on airs when you have become a Beltway animal anyway, and we all know that some animals are more equal than others. The hicks back home should be grateful for all of the influence Lugar has amassed. But nooo, they think that principles matter. Well, the upstart will just have to be made an example of, just like they did with so many upstarts in 2010. Can't have the order of thins upset now, with all that money and power in DC.

13 posted on 04/28/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Lugar’s biggest sin was allowing Obama to put his name on the Nonproliferation bill back in 2007. That was the one legislative success that Obama could point to during his 2008 campaign. I have no doubt that Lugar probably did 90% or more of the work while Obama just voted “present”.


14 posted on 04/28/2012 6:02:41 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: dirtboy

“How much do you want to bet that the same GOP-E folks demanding we fall in behind Mitt Romney will be trashing and backstabbing Mourdock if he knocks off their beloved RINO Lugar?”

Nothing. It’s guaranteed to happen. This cuts both ways though. We are dismantling the GOP-E. Lugar plays a big role in the GOP-E. Taking him down is a warning to the rest of the GOP-E. We are coming for you next. Romney is a battle. We lost that one. At this point do we turn tail and run? Hell no. We are at war with the GOP-E. It is going to take a while to take it down, but I am not turning tail, and neither should any of you.


15 posted on 04/28/2012 6:12:11 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

If this is true, it is truly a blessing. Originally coming from Indiana, I’m shocked at the apostacy of Lugar over the years.


16 posted on 04/28/2012 6:15:20 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

There is a post elsewhere (maybe instapundit?) that the pro-Lugar Super PAC is ending their support.

Right now before the election, they must have no hope for him and are unwilling to throw good money after bad.


17 posted on 04/28/2012 6:22:34 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: muawiyah
Well, what you say is simply baloney. I voted for Newt, I gave to Cain, but I attend major Republican events here in OH and there is NO sign of what you say about "suppression." Simply hogwash. We have a guy, Josh Mandel, with ZERO name recognition already within MOE of incumbent Sherrod Brown. It's one thing not to like Mitt. It's another to spread disinformation about the "impact" on voting at all levels. Not true, and the IN senate race is just another example.

Here's another: Chris Stewart, conservative in UT 2, just won his primary without a runoff and is easily the next Congressman.

18 posted on 04/28/2012 6:33:50 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: muawiyah

All the Romney trash talk from Freepers, stating they would not support Romney, but would heavily support down ticket conservatives goes right out the window with this poster’s comment. His remark that many conservative will sit in their hands in this “Lugar” primary vote rings solidly of an troll “Obamabot”. LMG, “Lugar Must Go”. By the way poster, Mitt Romney is not running for the Senate. as these two gents are. Palin, Momma bear, Ya right on the money!!!


19 posted on 04/28/2012 6:35:14 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, political ly!!!)
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To: dirtboy

This Mitt hate needs to stop. The fact is, the conservative groundswell is everywhere and isn’t abating, regardless of what Mitt does or doesn’t do. In OH, Josh Mandel-—virtually an unknown, is now running within MOE of incumbent Senator Sherrod Brown; in UT 2, Chris Stewart, and conservative, just won without a runoff for what will be a safe seat. Almost everywhere you look there is excitement about GETTING OBAMA AND THE DEMS OUT, and if you can’t get behind Mitt, fine, but you better damn well get behind getting Obama out.


20 posted on 04/28/2012 6:36:31 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: muawiyah

Nah, we’re used to the race already being decided by the time we vote. The opportunity to FINALLY get rid of Lugar will probably increase turnout.


21 posted on 04/28/2012 6:41:48 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: nodumbblonde

Exactly!!!!!


22 posted on 04/28/2012 6:42:37 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: nodumbblonde
In your dreams ~ this Romney character serves to suppress the vote and demoralize Conservatives like nothing ever seen before.

He chases people away.

23 posted on 04/28/2012 6:49:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dirtboy

“...just like they did with so many upstarts in 2010.”

You know I’m tired of hearing this.

I’m tired of hearing it from the left, from the MSM and from the right.

OK, not every “tea party” candidate won in 2010 but I don’t think I’m wrong when I say MOST of them did win.

Oh my goodness, if I ever hear O’Donnell, Angle and the guy from Colorado’s name linked together like Tinkers, Ever, Chance again I’m going to scream. (Full disclosure, I gave Sharon Angle more money then I’ve ever given any other pol, and I pretty much killed myself campaigning for Anna Little in NJ, so my bona fides are good.)

What about Rubio and Rand Paul and hundreds (thousands?) of state legislators whose names will never be known?

We need to TAKE over the GOP. OK, so, we didn’t get it done this time in terms of the presidential nominee.

Let’s face a fact, please dear Lord let us face it together: this was not because of some nefarious doings on the part of what I see is to be called the GOP-E (which is good, btw). It is because the conservative “not-Romney” votes were split among too many candidates, because Rick Perry fell on his face, because Pawlenty folded like a cheap camera, because no really strong conservative ran, because no conservative who ran was really strong, and the number one reason Romney’s the nominee - he got the most votes.

I’m tired of all this obscurantism on our side. We’ve won many, we’ll lose a lot, many contests will end in a middling muddle.

WE’VE GOT TO KEEP FIGHTING!

That’s what the Left does, that’s what they’ve done for hundreds of years. From the French Revolutions to Elizabeth Warren, every day they fight what they see as the good fight.

Win or lose, every morning they wake up and ask “what can I do for THE CAUSE today?”

They don’t moan and groan that Clinton was a piker and a whore monger, that Edwards was a despicable man and a whore monger and that Obama, although not a whore monger, is a disaster; they just keep slogging on.

And via that slogging they have brought Western Civilization to the brink of disaster, time and time again. And again, now.

So, forget about O’Donnell and Angle and forget about Romney too.

To paraphrase Alinsky, find a fight that you’ll enjoy and FIGHT IT!

Quit carping.

The fate of the free world depends on it.


24 posted on 04/28/2012 6:52:01 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I’ll bet we see Lugar fight like a crazed tiger against his Republican primary challenger, the same way McCain did.

Then, if he’s re-elected, it’s back into kissy-kissy-with-the-enemy mode.


25 posted on 04/28/2012 6:53:34 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Speaking of trolls, you are making excuses for tolerating Romney in the Republican party.

He's simply not tolerable and the track record he's left in primary voting to date is simply unconscionable. This guy, when he has no competition at all, shows no more than 10% support among Republicans.

Where he has competition (with funding to counter his negative ads) he's 20% at best and that's with heavy turnout among Mormons and Pentecostals (whose affinity for Romney is totally beyond any rational standard ~ gack!). Currently he's running BEHIND the voting levels he attained in 2008.

Having signs in yards in Hamilton county doesn't get Lugar out of the Senate. You need voters on the ground in the voting stations and the Romney effect drives people away.

26 posted on 04/28/2012 6:54:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You’re wrong. Let’s check back late on May 8th and see how it went.


27 posted on 04/28/2012 6:57:20 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: jocon307
Getting the "most" votes doesn't turn you into a Conservative choice ~ when that "most' is normally between 22% and 30%.

Your boy Romney is a minority candidate with tarnished credentials. Even as an elected Republican official he made campaign donations to Democrats. YOU CANNOT be a Republican and behave like that.

28 posted on 04/28/2012 6:58:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
Let’s face a fact, please dear Lord let us face it together: this was not because of some nefarious doings on the part of what I see is to be called the GOP-E

BZZT! Wrong.

Romney was an incredibly weak front-runner. He didn't win as much as he destroyed every other alternative who did not self-destruct first. And the GOP-E sat back and let him, even though that approach makes reconciliation almost impossible.

And I did not say the GOP-E sandbagged all Tea Party candidates, just the ones who took out their favored RINOs. They could have just said nothing, that would have been the class, party-unity thing to do. But they actively sandbagged those candidates. So guess what? They can stuff their calls for party unity. They have to figure out how to undo what Romney has brought forth, they let it happen, they have to clean up the mess. Simply waving the party unity flag ain't gonna work this time, because they trampled all over it last time.

29 posted on 04/28/2012 6:59:07 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Like Ted Stevens and Arlen Specter, over thirty years in the senate is not enough. Lugar and hopefully Hatch are going to be sent packing!


30 posted on 04/28/2012 7:00:58 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Since the GOP won’t give us the conservative candidates we’ve been begging them for, we’ll just do our best to hamstring them with conservatives down ticket.

There are times in the past I haven’t voted in the primary because everything has already been decided (including local spots) . Getting rid of Lugar and a couple of local races are my sole incentives this time around.


31 posted on 04/28/2012 7:02:41 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

It is the same here in Tippecanoe County. Lots of Mourdock signs and up very early; just a few Lugar signs showing up in the past week.

Mourdock voters are VERY motivated.


32 posted on 04/28/2012 7:03:09 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: jocon307

Legal Insurrection has that information, too.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/04/pro-lugar-superpac-pulls-out-of-race/


33 posted on 04/28/2012 7:06:35 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
http://davidmcintosh.org/freedomworks-pac-endorses-mcintosh-david-mcintosh-is-the-clear-choice-for-limited-government-voters/ ~ and while one part of the TEAPArty is running against Lugar because of his state residency problem they were supporting David McINtosh who really lives over here in nearby Arlington Virginia.

Do you suspect that your mixed-message across Indiana is going to get a high level of TEAParty and Conservative turnout?

You add the penumbra of gloom and doom surrounding the Romney presence on that ticket, and it's a loser.

Lugar, who I don't support, will squeeze in like liquid plummer and then you'll be out there campaigning this Fall for a Farleftwingtard AND a non-Republican!

I"d think by now somebody would figure out how to coordinate the interests and positions of the coalition to keep this sort of nonsense from happening.

34 posted on 04/28/2012 7:15:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Your boy Romney...”

Believe me, Romney is not “my boy”. Pawlenty was my boy, Bachmann was my girl, Perry was my boy and I guess Santorum was my best boy because I gave him $$ too.

I certainly am not going to tout Romney here on these threads in defiance of our wonderful leader, Mr. Robinson.

My point is not about Romney or any other candidate, past, present or future.

My point is about the attitude of “we can’t win”, “they’re all against us”, “the man is keeping us down”, etc.

And I reject that view.

My grandmother did not travel the treacherous seas of the North Atlantic to come to America and GIVE UP.

Win some, lose some, KEEP FIGHTING!!!!

That is my point.


35 posted on 04/28/2012 7:16:38 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: muawiyah

No one I know gets all excited about heading to the polls to cast a vote in a presidential primary that’s already been decided. We go specifically for down ticket races.

I don’t care if the GOP was running Satan himself in the top spot, I wouldn’t miss this vote for anything! I’m practically giddy at the thought and I can’t say that about any other primary in my lifetime.


36 posted on 04/28/2012 7:16:49 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: nodumbblonde

Agree completely, NDB. I am also giddy at the thought of voting in the primary this year. Mr. Mourdock is the real deal.

For several election cycles, Lugar has run unopposed in both the primary and the general elections. Just adds to the excitement.


37 posted on 04/28/2012 7:22:36 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: nodumbblonde

You are in a distinct minority but even you will feel dirty seeing Mitt’s name on the ballot.


38 posted on 04/28/2012 7:27:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
Pawlenty was the first Republican to get bowled over by Romney (he then enthusiastically endorsed him) ~ and MIchelle dabbled in Democrat politics early in life. Worse, she's near to endorsing Romney ~ showing once again the problem we have with these 'almost pentecostals' when it comes to Romney. They just swoon over the guy.

You need some real Conservative heroes. These guys ain't it.

39 posted on 04/28/2012 7:35:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
BTW, when it comes to "My point is about the attitude of “we can’t win”, “they’re all against us”, “the man is keeping us down”, etc. .....And I reject that view." I didn't say that.

You might imagine that's what you are seeing, but what I"m saying is that we cannot give up keeping Romney off the ballot BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE because his mere presence is destructive.

Just standing there Romney destroys the Conservative vote that would otherwise put TEAParty candidates into office.

40 posted on 04/28/2012 7:39:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“You need some real Conservative heroes. These guys ain’t it.”

I’m not trying to be overly contentious, but that is not my fault, nor is it Mitt Romney’s fault.

The field, this time, was wide open.

And even if it is not so wide open in the future, I’ll be open to all comers.

Sarah Palin CHOSE not to run, for example. Did somebody twist her arm behind the scenes? I don’t think so, because I think that if they had she would have let the world know.

This is a self-selected contest, an all volunteer army.

Being a nice Irish Catholic girl I don’t get your dig about the ‘almost pentecostals’ but that’s OK.

This is not an election for Pope of the US.

People don’t like Romney, I get it. I’m not crazy about him either.

But, we need to see when the conflict is on our own side.


41 posted on 04/28/2012 7:48:14 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: muawiyah

I frankly don’t care about Mitt’s name on the ballot. That ship has sailed (as usual). I’m gonna give his name a glance and smile broadly to myself as I cast my vote for a Senator that’s not a clone of him and the rest of the Washington elite that shoved McCain and Romney down my throat.

And, hopefully, someday I can beam with pride as a Senator from the great state of Indiana casts a vote against whatever nonsense the liberals are proposing. Between Evan Bayh and Richard Lugar, I’ve been ashamed of my state’s Senators for most of my life.

Sometimes in life you have to fight like a girl. I may not be able to take you down with a roundhouse punch, but I will kick you in the plums, bite, scratch, pull hair, poke you in the eye and generally fight dirty. This is my kick to the GOP’s plums.


42 posted on 04/28/2012 7:55:27 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: nodumbblonde

You should have been around back in the days of Vance Hartke and Birch Bayh ~ things improved under Lugar and Evan Bayh.


43 posted on 04/28/2012 8:03:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MustKnowHistory

It really IS exciting! Now that ol’ Dick doesn’t have the immunity necklace, it’s time for a blindside! :-D


44 posted on 04/28/2012 8:04:31 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: muawiyah

My grandma thought Birch Bayh walked on water for some reason. Looking back, I really don’t understand it but she’s been gone for years so now I can’t ask. We’ve come a long way! :-)


45 posted on 04/28/2012 8:08:50 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: jocon307
We had 10 official candidates. 7 of them were not Really Republicans, nor were they Conservatives.

What that did was divide the vote for the purpose of bringing Romney up to the #3 or #4 position early in the cycle.

The party has been cracking down on minority candidates at the state level by erecting onerous nominating petition requirements. All that has done is give the minority groups an edge over the more nebulous "movement" members of the Republican coalition.

"near pentecostal" kinda' includes all the graduates from Oral Roberts or Regents universities ~ they all fall into line with Romney.

If you know any RCs who graduated from either school you might ask yourself "Now how did that happen"?!

46 posted on 04/28/2012 8:09:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nodumbblonde
I met Birch numerous times; even had long discussions with him on transcontinental flights ~ he was a nice guy and he knew how to win elections. He could say "union" and "parity" simultaneously.

He met and married one of my not very distant cousins, so Evan is a relative of sort.

Never hung around with them socially but if I"d attended all the various family reunions over the years I'd met all of them over fried chicken and hickory nut pie fur shur.

Worse, I had a date once with Sandy Hartke. GAD! Got away from her fast ~ didn't she end up having 12 kids or something?

These people were all pretty typical of the sorts you meet all over Indiana and at one time the German Americans (43% of the state's population) were the Democrat party ~ more recently I think they've begun dominating the Republican party.

47 posted on 04/28/2012 8:14:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

End of dialogue. Cutting your nose to spite your face makes little sense. Have a wonderful, healthy, happy life. ABO!!! “Anybody But Obama”!!!


48 posted on 04/28/2012 8:26:34 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, political ly!!!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Then why would you cut off your nose by tolerating Romney?


49 posted on 04/28/2012 8:36:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

12 kids!?!?! Too funny!

Thanks for the info. Maybe that’s what the attraction was for her: He seemed like just a normal guy. She was born in unfathomable poverty (back when “poor” really meant POOR) and lived most of her young adult life in the same circumstances. My Dad grew up in the UP of Michigan in an actual tar-paper shack and remembers her skipping meals so he could eat instead.

She despised “uppity” and pretense in anyone but I think she was jaded enough to see it where it didn’t always exist. I think he even made a campaign stop in our little town so that would have really impressed her!

Whodathunk a fellow Freeper could have helped me figure out my Grandma? Lol!


50 posted on 04/28/2012 8:41:52 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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