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Carriers Desperately Seeking Windows Phone
PCWORLD ^ | Apr 27, 2012 8:20 pm | Matt Hamblen

Posted on 04/28/2012 7:34:50 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

AT&T and Verizon Wireless want Windows Phone smartphones to succeed in the U.S., partly to provide leverage against Apple's demands for subsidies and other concessions required for selling the popular iPhone.

AT&T recently began selling the Nokia Lumia 900 with the Windows Phone 7 operating system for a competitive $99.99 price. Meanwhile, Verizon Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo recently told Reuters that Verizon is "really looking at the Windows Phone 8.0 platform because that's a differentiator."

Both carriers need a strong competitor -- like Windows Phone -- to go up against the iPhone and Android phones, analysts said. The wireless carriers could then tell Apple that they can sell quality smartphones that don't cost the carriers as much as the iPhone to subsidize. The iPhone sells well but also eats into carrier profits because of the subsidy and related costs.

"Mobile operators are sick of taking orders from Apple, [which is one] reason why carriers like AT&T and Verizon are backing Windows Phone," said Yankee Group analyst Katie Lewis in a blog posted Wednesday. "IPhones are occupying an increasingly dangerous share of operators' smartphone sales," she wrote.

In 2011, iPhones were half of AT&T's smartphone sales -- totaling about 16 million iPhones -- while Verizon has seen a strong surge recently in the same direction, Lewis noted. "The companies' fears of an Apple takeover are growing stronger," she added, partly because customer surveys show an increase in future buyers interested in owning an iPhone.

Apple's demands for subsidies in order for a carrier to sell an iPhone are legendary. U.S. carriers heavily subsidize all smartphone hardware, primarily to entice new customers to buy a two-year service contract that costs more than $1,700 over that period.

(Excerpt) Read more at pcworld.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; iphone; microsoft; windowsphone7
So far, there has been only one Windows Phone 7 phone on Verizon(the HTC Trophy) and that was launched nearly a year ago, as compared to literally dozens of Android handsets. Nothing since then. Not even one handset from Samsung, the biggest cell phone maker( and second biggest smart phone maker) on the planet.
1 posted on 04/28/2012 7:35:02 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
The Slimes has a similar story:

Why AT&T and Verizon Are Rooting for Windows Phones
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/carriers-windows-phone/

2 posted on 04/28/2012 7:38:32 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I have the iPhone - three in fact in the family. We love it. However, Apple is very unflexible and circuitous about loading files (pictures, CD media, and documents) on it. If you stay with an iPhone you are at Apple’s mercy and mostly locked into iTunes. I realize there are work arounds, etc. but they aren’t as simple as connecting the phone and moving files to/from your computer. Especially without that damned iTunes program.


3 posted on 04/28/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SmokingJoe

I can’t remember where I read it, but some expert out there somewhere is predicting Android will take a bigger hit than Apple when windows phones really get rolling. The reasoning was that of the three, only google/chrome/android do not have and do not have plans for a unified desktop/smartphone operating system.


4 posted on 04/28/2012 7:50:52 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: SmokingJoe

My LG is mal functioning. My son has told me to get an iphone. I am with ATT. What do you recommend?


5 posted on 04/28/2012 7:51:57 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SmokingJoe

Intel just released their first proc. for cell phones (and other similar devices) referred to as “Medfield”; first phones utilizing this beastie are now being sold in India (Lava Xolo X900). This is an Android phone, but I bet it’s just a matter of time before you see them in Windows phones.

Intel muscle with MS’s new OS will be very, very powerful indeed. Worth watching.


6 posted on 04/28/2012 7:53:32 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m using a Nokia Lumina 900 Windows phone. So far, I love it. Finally gave up on an old Blackberry, and the transition has been pretty painless. And - I got if for $19 on Amazon with ATT service.


7 posted on 04/28/2012 7:55:17 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: SmokingJoe
"Mobile operators are sick of taking orders from Apple, [which is one] reason why carriers like AT&T and Verizon are backing Windows Phone," said Yankee Group analyst Katie Lewis in a blog posted Wednesday. "IPhones are occupying an increasingly dangerous share of operators' smartphone sales," she wrote.

Careful what you're wishing for, there. You just might get it, lol.

8 posted on 04/28/2012 8:01:43 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Gaffer
A FRetrospective:

84: Dad gives me his old II+
87: All my savings for a 512
89: All my savings for an ImageWriterII
92: A used Classic II.
94: Dad helps me buy a Powerbook 150c.
97: Apple screws up and sells me the 1400c JUST BEFORE they release the G4. I'm pissed.

WINDOWS...

99: I give in and buy a USED G4.
99: Another USED G4

WINDOWS for a whole decade...

2010: iphone
Two days ago: iphone G4S.

I guess I have punished Macintosh enough for sticking me with that 1400c. Heck I've spent ten times as much on McIntosh audio stuff than I have on Macintosh computer stuff since I was a youngster, and I must admit my life would not have been the same - and not nearly as rich - without "Mac."

NEVER DID GET THE CHANCE TO PUNISH VERIZON FOR SCREWING ME REPEATEDLY, MONTHLY, OVER THE YEARS.
9 posted on 04/28/2012 8:04:05 AM PDT by golux
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To: SmokingJoe

I have a Windows7 phone through T-Mobile and couldn’t be happier.


10 posted on 04/28/2012 8:04:56 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: SuzyQue

I wish US Cell. had the Lumia 900. I’d give it a try.


11 posted on 04/28/2012 8:07:01 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Even through Amazon? (I’m not sure how that works with other carriers).


12 posted on 04/28/2012 8:18:59 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: SmokingJoe

Why would they want Windows Phone to succeed (which is unlikely) as a competitor to Apple, when they already have Android?


13 posted on 04/28/2012 8:22:14 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SmokingJoe
The rest of the article tells the real story:
For example, the iPhone doesn't include a carrier's logo on the exterior, while most Android phones and others will prominently show the carrier's name above the manufacturer's name, Llamas said. Once turned on, an iPhone relegates the carrier's name to a narrow banner at the top of a home screen along with the number of bars of network reception, while many other phones have a carrier's logo splashed on a separate screen during the booting process. Carrier-branded apps prevalent on many smartphones, including the Lumia 900, are buried in iPhones.

Apple does the same with their computers, too. When you buy a Mac, it's not pre-loaded with tons of useless crap and icons. And it doesn't have 20 stickers on it.

14 posted on 04/28/2012 8:26:34 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Dudoight

Have you tried a reconditioned IPhone from ATT? You can get a refurbished 3GS for .01, plus shipping and activation. Only available online.


15 posted on 04/28/2012 8:47:21 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Dudoight
My LG is mal functioning. My son has told me to get an iphone. I am with ATT. What do you recommend?

Get an iPhone. You will never look back. I am on my third iPhone, and have loved every one. I upgrade about every two years, not because I have to but because I want the increased speed and new features.

Use a case and a screen protector. The secret of the ages is that even if the phone is beyond the time of its extended warranty, I have had Apple replace them free, if they are in very good condition.

16 posted on 04/28/2012 9:13:40 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Big Giant Head

IPhone ping.


17 posted on 04/28/2012 10:22:17 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: Dudoight

My android malfunctions also.

I finally broke down and got an Apple iPhone.

I absolutely love it. For example, I just dictated this post on my cell phone.


18 posted on 04/28/2012 10:49:26 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember

Thanks to all of you...I will arrange for an Iphone without hesitation.

Cheers!!


19 posted on 04/28/2012 11:03:18 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: CurlyDave

Thanks for the additional recommendation that I use a case and get a screen protector. I think my LG is malfunctioning because of a screen.dispositioning.

I didn’t know about screen protectors!!


20 posted on 04/28/2012 11:05:55 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

I like the Zagg screen protectors. A little pricey at first, but lifetime free replacements. They have ones a little undersized to fit phones in cases, which is what you want.


21 posted on 04/28/2012 11:48:34 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SmokingJoe

Windoze Phone = Cheap Plastic. Loaded with bloatware. Viruses abounding. Why buy a knockoff when you can buy the real thing? Ever? Windoze will only hurt Droid, the other cheap plastic knockoff. iPhone will continue to innovate, create and dominate.


22 posted on 04/28/2012 12:12:58 PM PDT by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Waywardson

In a thread with some pretty stupid posts from the usual mindless, unthinking, Apple fan-girl zombies, yours easily takes the prize for sheer idiocy, and lack of any sense whatsoever. Congratulations, mate!


23 posted on 04/28/2012 5:32:35 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: B Knotts
When you buy a Mac, it's not pre-loaded with tons of useless crap and icons

Apart from useless crap from Apple? When did a cell phone carrier's logo (the guys that actually provide you with the phone service), become "useless crap" then? Answer: When Apple decided to make a power grab for themselves and fatten their bottom lines.

24 posted on 04/28/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: RegulatorCountry
Careful what you're wishing for, there. You just might get it, lol. “

They should be so lucky. No one, but no one, even comes close to Apple when it comes to dictating policy to others about their products. The phone companies now know that, after their bitter experiences with Apple.

25 posted on 04/28/2012 5:40:41 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Waywardson

I don’t know. All I use a phone for is texting, emailing, browsing, and of course calling. I compared an iPhone and a Droid (HTC Thunderbolt). Chose the Droid because I liked the slightly bigger screen for browsing. If it meets all my needs, what does it really matter if it’s a “cheap plastic knockoff”?

My 2006 Ford Five Hundred is, I’m sure, a “cheap plastic knockoff” of some better car somewhere, but it gets me from here to there in comfort and it’s paid off. So again, what does it really matter, except to me?


26 posted on 04/28/2012 5:42:35 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SmokingJoe
entice new customers to buy a two-year service contract that costs more than $1,700 over that period.

With high speed wi-fi being turned on everywhere will we need wireless carriers so much in the future? Computer technology generally gets 10% cheaper every year but carriers are not passing that on, instead opening expensive brick and mortar retail stores everywhere. Carrier hirelings act a lot like government hirelings. It's become an expensive bloated industry that needs to go.

27 posted on 04/28/2012 5:53:41 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: SmokingJoe
Again, careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

As an object lesson, the wildly successful Apple Store had its genesis not in any strong desire on the part of Apple to get into retail, it came of necessity due to existing players in the retail channel treating them poorly.

A tightly controlled user experience is part and parcel of just why Apple products work so well and in turn sell so well. Bellyaching about one’s top selling products in a public way is potentially counterproductive.

This is especially so when dealing with a company with the market cap of Apple, and when dealing with a company that has made a mantra out of improving their user experience, middlemen be damned. Look to the music industry, largely disintermediated now, their high margin CD business rendered practically irrelevant.

Look no further than Adobe dragging its feet on Flash compatibility with the touchscreen interface, only to be unceremoniously dumped for HTML 5. I can tell you, being an iPad user with no add on app for Flash, that content relying upon it is getting very infrequent. Adobe killed their own cash cow.

It can happen again, and I can't think of too many cell carriers that engender any sort of affection or attachment whatsoever, unlike Apple.

Do you see what I mean yet?

28 posted on 04/28/2012 6:12:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Reeses
With high speed wi-fi being turned on everywhere will we need wireless carriers so much in the future? “

Yes, because there are(and still will be) vast tracts of this country outside the cities that are not covered by wifi.

Computer technology generally gets 10% cheaper every year but carriers are not passing that on”

Try a no contract phone with MetroPCS, T-Mobile, Cricket, Virgin Mobile, NET10, TRACFONE (11), Jitterbug, etc. You'd be surprised how really cheap they are.

29 posted on 04/28/2012 6:12:44 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: RegulatorCountry
Again, careful what you wish for, you just might get it.”

Again, the phone companies should be so lucky. Every single phone company that has the iPhone, has lost market value since they got the iPhone on their networks, due to the massive amounts they have to pay Apple(Apple reportedly collects as much as massive $600 per iPhone user in royalties from the carriers, on top of the hardware profits from the phones).

As an object lesson, the wildly successful Apple Store had its genesis not in any strong desire on the part of Apple to get into retail, it came of necessity due to existing players in the retail channel treating them poorly”

I love my service(and the great rates) from T-Mobile. Significantly, they don't carry the iPhone.

A tightly controlled user experience is part and parcel of just why Apple products work so well and in turn sell so well”

The widespread Mac botnet and the notorious antennaegate scandal with the iPhone 4 beg to differ.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Mac-Botnet-Infects-More-Than-600000-Apple-Computers-699749/

http://mashable.com/2012/02/18/antennagate-iphone-settlement/

“Do you see what I mean yet?”

Nope.

30 posted on 04/28/2012 6:29:07 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

My goodness, accusations of a botnet, gasp! That’ll have them screaming back to Redmond. /s


31 posted on 04/28/2012 6:33:17 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SmokingJoe

I said “a Mac.” Compare a MacBook to a laptop with Windows pre-installed that you buy from Best Buy. All kinds of garbage pre-installed on the Windows laptop, and a bunch of tacky stickers all over it. The MacBook is clean, and unencumbered by junkware.

And there is no reason for the cell service provider to have their logo on the phone. You should be able to change carriers, anyhow.


32 posted on 04/28/2012 6:55:37 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Dudoight

I have my iPhone in an OtterBox Defender. Screen protectors do interfere a bit with some functions of the iPhone, like the thing that detects when you have the phone up to your face, disabling the phone buttons (like mute), but all-in-all, I like it.


33 posted on 04/28/2012 7:03:38 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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