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Economic Nostradamus: We Are Literally Witnessing A Collapse
SHTF Plan ^ | 4-28-2012 | Mac Salvo

Posted on 04/28/2012 10:36:01 AM PDT by blam

Economic Nostradamus: We Are Literally Witnessing a Collapse

Mac Slavo
April 27th, 2012

With the Presidential election cycle in full swing our incumbent administration, the media, and their financial pundits continue to maintain that the US economy’s green shoots have blossomed into fields of golden sunflowers. Despite what we’re being told, however, the actual data tells a stunningly different story.

Richard Yamarone, a senior economist for Bloomberg Brief, has been called an economic Nostradamus for his prescient forecasting of the 2008 financial crisis, and now he’s warning that the worst is not over. In a recent interview with King World News he suggests that not only is the economic outlook a barren desert devoid of any existence of green shoots, but we have a front row seat to witness the collapse of life in America as we know it:

King World News Interview via SGT Report:

I think people are just running out of money. We have contracting, real disposable incomes. Most of the job creation that we have is from minimum wage type jobs.

you are actually seeing this collapse, contracting on a real basis, of real disposable personal incomes. If you don’t have the money, you can’t facilitate expenditures. So that’s the core of the problem. That’s what’s really going on in the US economy.

You don’t listen to what all of these bigger numbers coming across the screen tell you. You talk to the people who are running the country. 99.7% of all employer firms in this country are small businesses. So when they speak, you have to listen.

You have to listen to what the small businesses are telling you and right now they are telling you, ‘Hey, I’m the head of a 3rd or 4th generation, 75 or 100 year old business, and I’ve got to shut the doors’ or ‘I’ve got to let people go. And if I’m hiring anybody back, it’s only on a temporary basis.

In this current recession, we are not even close (to getting the jobs back) and that’s 50 months and counting.

The fact of the matter is that meaningful jobs won’t be returning any time soon. Recent (un)employment data indicate that cumulatively we are losing jobs each and every month. And, those jobs that do become available are minimum wage jobs that are insufficient to offset the income loss we’ve experienced since 2008.

The bottom line is that if people don’t have money, they can’t consume to keep the economy going. This leads to a vicious negative feedback loop that forces small (and large) business employers to lay off workers, which takes even more money out of the economy, which subsequently leads to more business closures and cutbacks.

As evidence of this effect we need look only at the most recent Gross Domestic Product (GDP) data which indicate that, while the economy is still officially growing, it’s doing so at a snail’s pace of just 2.2%. That’s the official government statistic, so of course it’s loaded with fuzzy math that fails to account for one very critical piece of information – inflation. According to John Williams of Shadow Stats, if we accounted for inflation and calculated GDP as it should be done, without government up-side distortions, our economic growth has not only slowed, it’s actually contracting at a rate of negative 2.2%. By all accounts, even though the mainstream narrative is one of growth, recovery and increased consumer spending, the US economy is and has been in a recession since 2005.

Consider that food stamp rates have doubled over that period to 48.5 million participants (that’s one in six Americans!) and that we have an unofficial machination-adjusted unemployment rate in excess of 22% and one thing becomes absolutely clear: the average Joe Sixpack is broke, hungry and dangerously close to ripping to shreds the remainder of our country’s social safety nets.

Every piece of official data the government and their mouth pieces throw at us is and has been fabricated for the better part of a decade. Inflation is four times higher than Ben Bernanke will admit. Foreclosures continue piling up and the shadow inventory of foreclosed homes is now in the multiple millions. Real estate prices are still falling, with even ‘new’ buyers who purchased homes after the 2008 collapse and thought they were getting a deal now underwater on their mortgages.

To top it all off we have the price of essential goods like food and energy going through the roof as a result of easy Fed money to banks and investment firms that has nowhere to go but stock and commodities paper markets. While all those freshly printed Federal Reserve dollars have yet to make their way to consumers in any significant way, we’re already seeing the initial effects of our monetary policies and they’re have a devastating impact on consumer gas prices and grocery store trips.

We’ve oft opined that the collapse that so many naysayers believe will never happen is, in fact, happening right here and now. The data suggests it likely occurred well before global stock markets melted down in 2008.

The aforementioned handful of data (there’s plenty more where that came from – we haven’t even gotten into the European debt debacle or the coming Japanese and Chinese economic meltdowns) is providing us a clear picture of where we’ve been and where we’re headed.

We are literally witnessing the collapse of our entire borrow-and-consume paradigm, the aftereffects of which will not be pretty, complete with hyperinflationary depression, riots, starvation and bloodshed.


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Well.....

It looks like we are (still) doomed. (WAD)

1 posted on 04/28/2012 10:36:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

We are literally witnessing the collapse of our entire borrow-and-consume paradigm, the aftereffects of which will not be pretty, complete with hyperinflationary depression, riots, starvation and bloodshed.

Well, at least we have that to look forward to,
it won’t be dull.


2 posted on 04/28/2012 10:44:59 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 444Flyer

2read


3 posted on 04/28/2012 10:46:56 AM PDT by 444Flyer (~Leaning on the everlasting arms~ (Deuteronomy 33:27) (John 3) /// Thailand? Rev. 20:1-3)
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To: blam

We may be getting to the point that tariffs alone, will not bring back American manufacturing.

We may need to start considering, actual blockades, against protectionist trade opponents.

One way or the other, sending US factories elsewhere, is destructive and dangerous.


4 posted on 04/28/2012 10:49:10 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: tet68
We are literally witnessing the collapse of our entire borrow-and-consume paradigm,...

I just find it hard to believe that such a perfect paradigm by design hasn't worked.

5 posted on 04/28/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: tet68

What no do over ?


6 posted on 04/28/2012 10:50:29 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: blam

Not a problem.

Simply import millions of Chinese to sop up the foreclosed homes at a fair price, reducing the supply and increasing the average price to where no one is underwater.

It will rebalance our trade deficit with China and allow the rest of us to get out from under our over-inflated mortgages and move elsewhere...


7 posted on 04/28/2012 10:51:29 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1194 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: blam

I know kids who have applied for sub $40k jobs with a hundred applicants.

I also know my small business is getting harder and harder each day to keep running. The attitude of fees has come to us. We are being charged by third parties who do invoices for our clients to submit our invoices. We are being charged thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to participate in safety surveys and monitoring programs mandated by our clients who are mandated to do this by the Feds... it all just rolls down the hill. These programs are redundant to reporting and programs we already do. No regulations retire, they just get added on to the ones already there no matter the duplication or similarity.

On top of this IRS has declared open season on S Corporations. I know some who get audit or inquiry notices weekly from the IRS. They keep jabbing away until something sticks. Many just pay the claims instead of fighting it. Paying takes less time and less money and IRS knows it. The process is nothing but extortion.

I’m sure most of us break laws every day. There is no good way to keep up with it all. Then there is the specter of obastard care and all it brings to us.

Business in particular and small business in particular has a target all over it by this marxist administration.

I do think we are doomed.


8 posted on 04/28/2012 11:06:15 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: blam

Yet our ruling class keeps piling on regulations and taxes...

And voters keep voting for them...

Suicide.


9 posted on 04/28/2012 11:13:41 AM PDT by DB
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To: Sequoyah101
... On top of this IRS has declared open season on S Corporations. I know some who get audit or inquiry notices weekly from the IRS. They keep jabbing away until something sticks. Many just pay the claims instead of fighting it. Paying takes less time and less money and IRS knows it. The process is nothing but extortion....

Ah ... a variation on the Corzine model of balancing the budget in NJ.
10 posted on 04/28/2012 11:14:59 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Sequoyah101
On top of this IRS has declared open season on S Corporations.

The pathological hatred of small business by the Federal Government seems boundless. I guess it's the logical result of Marxists taking over much of the bureaucracy for the last fifty years.

Not a word from our so-called "representatives" in objection to such IRS practices, either. That's where "War on Everything" policy positions lead you - you have to shut up when those Wars eventually get declared on real Americans, or you'll get called a hypocrite by your Democratic opponent and you might even lose!

11 posted on 04/28/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: blam

THe entire problem with the economic outlook in this country is trying to ‘run the economy’ as a consumer based economy.

We need to be a producer based economy.


12 posted on 04/28/2012 11:18:13 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: DB; blam
Yet our ruling class keeps piling on regulations and taxes...

And voters keep voting for them...

Suicide.


You forget the ruling class pretty much controls who gets nominated. And voters keep being told to hold their noses and vote for the least evil. And counting the votes has been off shored in many instances.
13 posted on 04/28/2012 11:19:46 AM PDT by khelus
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To: khelus

And the ruling class controls who gets $$$ and media exposure.


14 posted on 04/28/2012 11:20:52 AM PDT by khelus
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To: blam

BUY AMERICAN


15 posted on 04/28/2012 11:21:13 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: EGPWS

My thoughts exactly. God gives us good advice, and we ignore it. Then we are surprised when the consequences arise.


16 posted on 04/28/2012 11:22:08 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Bryan24
The entire problem with the economic outlook in this country is trying to ‘run the economy’ as a consumer based economy.

We need to be a producer based economy.


Interesting how that got turned upside down. Another coup for cultural marxism.
17 posted on 04/28/2012 11:22:48 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The only way out of this is to eliminate taxes on corporations doing their work and manufacturing in the US AND tax the ones who do offshore it.


18 posted on 04/28/2012 11:25:58 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: null and void

This is already underway in certain regions. Right now its mostly Chinese who have made money there (communists who ran “state-owned enterprises,”etc.). The one good thing is that (if we are allowed to repeat the common generalization ) the Chinese “make pretty good neighbors” and when they have kids (ehich they are allowed to do here) they insist that the public schools get better). This is propping up realty prices which otherwise would drop like bricks, as is the sale of large portfolios of houses (assembled thru our governmental lending-guarantee systems and otherwise) to largely-overseas investment interests (including we hear the communist Chinese banks). Its not all China, though. Its also from other countries.


19 posted on 04/28/2012 11:26:44 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (remember when "Four more years!" was a credible campaign slogan for an incumbent?)
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To: Bryan24

Well that...

Or the US Coast Guard stops adversarial container ships on the high seas.

Increasingly, I’m in favor of the latter.

What we’re doing now isn’t working.

Except for America’s adversaries.


20 posted on 04/28/2012 11:29:23 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: Flavius

President Clinton hails economic down turn
a mulligan.


21 posted on 04/28/2012 11:31:48 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: khelus

I keep seeing references to votes being counted in Spain for the 2012 election, and don’t really see how that’s possible, unless all 50 staes have colluded or been forced to do so.

Federal elections are determined by voting state by state. There is no national vote, other than the end result of all the states having done so.


22 posted on 04/28/2012 11:34:17 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sequoyah101

The taxes and regulatory burden on business in the US must be worse then ever.
I am a CNC Machinist, I work for a company in England that supplies parts to the Aerospace industry. In the last few months we have been absolutely swamped with orders from the US, they are outsourcing work to the UK (that speaks volumes)
I am currently working 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week. I’ve not had a day off since March.


23 posted on 04/28/2012 11:41:57 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I keep seeing references to votes being counted in Spain for the 2012 election

Wouldn't want the money spent on Michelle and Kids campaigning in SPAIN to go to waste now, would we?

24 posted on 04/28/2012 11:46:22 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Sequoyah101
We are being charged thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to participate in safety surveys and monitoring programs mandated by our clients who are mandated to do this by the Feds... it all just rolls down the hill.

This is why I got out of the EHS field. I could no longer see a way clear to bring the ideals of EHS to benefit the bottom line of the company. Ten years ago being very good at EHS management would lower the cost of doing business for many industries. But around 2004-05 it seemed things started to really turn to nit-pick costly programs being pushed by the 'sustainable' lobby folks. As I said then and still stand by today..."It ain't sustainable if it puts people out of work or eventually shuts down a company due to the cost of execution."

Unfortunately thousands of businesses listened to this lobby and never acted in their company's best interests. And for many companies we can understand why. Just look at the advertisers that opted to bail on Rush Limbaugh. Many of them never realized the people calling, emailing, and railing about them advertising on Limbaugh never considered those same people didn't use their products and never would.

As a retired EHS manager it became grossly apparent that EHS no longer represented doing the right things, it became doing the PR things.

25 posted on 04/28/2012 12:12:20 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: blam

It appears Hope and Change has turned into Horror and Chains...


26 posted on 04/28/2012 12:45:22 PM PDT by Gritty (Of the two suicide cults America confronts, Liberalism is by far the more lethal - Don Feder)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I keep seeing references to votes being counted in Spain for the 2012 election, and don’t really see how that’s possible, unless all 50 states have colluded or been forced to do so.

Federal elections are determined by voting state by state. There is no national vote, other than the end result of all the states having done so.


Well however it's being done, it's being done. Electronic voting counted via internet by SCYTL.

SCYTL news

SCYTL Customers

SCYTL acquires SOE software [Clarity Software Suite] used in US elections





525 jurisdictions currently served by SOE software

One more step in Globalism's de facto elimination of national sovereignty and those pesky borders. Now hold hands and sing ‘We are the World’.
27 posted on 04/28/2012 1:11:50 PM PDT by khelus
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To: RegulatorCountry; khelus
A Spanish Company Known As Scytl Will Be Reporting Election Results For Hundreds Of U.S. Jurisdictions On Election Day
28 posted on 04/28/2012 2:14:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The bottom line is that if people don’t have money, they can’t consume to keep the economy going. This leads to a vicious negative feedback loop that forces small (and large) business employers to lay off workers, which takes even more money out of the economy, which subsequently leads to more business closures and cutbacks.

The belief that a fall in wage rates is equivalent to a fall in total wage payments and would thus result in a reduction in consumer spending and a deepening of a depression is naive.

Free market laissez-faire economists know that a contraction phase in the business cycle is cured by allowing wage rates and price to fall to a point where they have fallen more than the demand for labor and the demand for consumers goods. At that point, costs will have dropped enough to make investments in the present more worthwhile than investments in the future.And costs will be low enough that profits and rate of profit will begin to increase, and businesses will then begin investing more in hiring more workers and expanding.When prices fall just as much as wages, there is no decrease in the standard of living for the average wage earner. This is the way a free market naturally recovers from a depression. But this is precisely what the Keynesians deny, and government and unions try to prevent.

29 posted on 04/28/2012 2:19:28 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: blam
The Barter Value Of Skills
30 posted on 04/28/2012 2:30:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: yank in the UK

Manufacturing here has been beaten to its knees as has a lot of other business. One of the big problems in your field is lack of skilled labor. We have too few trade schools and journeyman programs. Instead we have droves of marginal college kids with useless degrees and less passion and unions that are primarily political hack organizations.

I don’t know what a CNC Machinist there makes but I know of one major manufacturer here in Houston in oilfield equipment that pays CNC programmers a whopping $16 an hour plus benefits, good benefits but that is paltry wages. We pay laborers more than that.


31 posted on 04/28/2012 2:30:12 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: blam

If you produce nothing that can be bought into overseas economies, you are a slave to domestic consumption. But of course, the US wages mean that we must buy foreign goods mainly. So the “economy” is little more than borrowing money internationally and churning it internally via “service jobs”. When the service jobs dry up, and the international fuel dries up, there is nothing to churn.

There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.


32 posted on 04/28/2012 2:32:51 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: EBH

You made the correct observation, EHS has become about PR. It has been reduced to jingoism and cheer leading. Small fortunes are spent on programs that look more like playschool.

EHS goes to ever more cheeky practices such as backing cars into parking spaces. Parking areas are not designed for backing in. I guess with all the SUVs the parking lots have become just another blind alleyway.


33 posted on 04/28/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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Click the link. The Republic you save may be your own.

34 posted on 04/28/2012 2:47:39 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: tet68

If Debtism ends, folks will not like the pain that accompanies the work that will be necessary.


35 posted on 04/28/2012 2:57:08 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: faithhopecharity; null and void

http://www.mailmagazine24.com/politics/04-2012/u-s-roads-and-bridges-being-built-by-chinese-companies-as-american-economy-teeters-on-collapse.html

May God guide our course out of this mess.
Tatt


36 posted on 04/28/2012 3:31:15 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: khelus; DB; blam

And today, Eric Cantor’s PAC backed Lugar.

They, (the RepublicanElite), simplyly refuse to listen to the message we have been sending since well before 2010, that we have had all we can take of the same old, same old. And I honestly believe they have no idea, that when it comes to forcing such an incredibly weak nominee as Romney on us, that they may well have pushed their LAST nominee - that if 0 gets back in, it may be our last election.

May God give us strength.
Tatt


37 posted on 04/28/2012 3:38:37 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Sequoyah101

Heck, the IRS is after EVERYONE. TeaParty groups across the nation are being poked, and private citizens as well : /

Tatt


38 posted on 04/28/2012 3:40:43 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: blam

Good God ya’ll don’t have to be so paranoid, Democrats are going to get the economy moving;

http://twitter.com/#!/donnabrazile/status/195973635066953728

Donna Brazile “Democrats must get the economy to move fast enough in order to outrun the House Republican efforts to drag it down.”


39 posted on 04/28/2012 3:44:31 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: Bryan24

Dad? Is that you?

Wow. My father’s words from over 30 years ago... It is just as well that he has long since passed on. Our current state would NOT sit well with him : |

Dear Lord, please impress upon folks the serious nature of our situation.
Tatt


40 posted on 04/28/2012 3:45:01 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: 444Flyer
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Rev 18.22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee..

(Lev. 26)

41 posted on 04/28/2012 3:59:53 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: griswold3
"If Debtism ends, folks will not like the pain that accompanies the work that will be necessary. "

Work will be one of the things near the bottom of the list that will be tried first.
Many will die before they realize that 'work' is the solution.

42 posted on 04/28/2012 5:49:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Son House
"Donna Brazile “Democrats must get the economy to move fast enough in order to outrun the House Republican efforts to drag it down.”

She's correct.

We're gonna collapse no matter who wins. The type of collapse will be dictated by the politicians.

1. A Democrat collapse = Inflationary or hyperinflationary collapse. (Keep spending)

2. A Republican collapse = A deflationary default.( Stop spending)

There Is No Peaceful Way Back From Here!

43 posted on 04/28/2012 5:58:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I’m just going to go kill myself now.


44 posted on 04/28/2012 5:58:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: blam
No Way Back
45 posted on 04/28/2012 6:01:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I've always wondered if free trade is actually good for us. I hear the argument many economist have made. And that competition is a good thing. But I wonder if the rising costs of goods would be more than offset by a rise in wages as factories for things such as electronics would likely be opened up again. Of course, if the govt was going to have high tarriffs, I would like income taxes reduces to offset that.
46 posted on 04/28/2012 6:21:43 PM PDT by BJ1
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To: blam

Wait until the dollar is no longer the reserve currency for the world.

It’s coming.


47 posted on 04/28/2012 7:13:55 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: mjp

Wow. Well said!


48 posted on 04/28/2012 8:44:09 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: blam

I am employed by a major credit card company’s reward program. A call center. It sucks. But at least I am working. I have submitted at least 50 resumes in the last couple of months.Nada, zip responses. I have a good resume very good skills and work experience. A few of my friends have had the same results.There are no jobs out there people.


49 posted on 04/29/2012 4:37:55 AM PDT by waxer1 ("The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: blam; RegulatorCountry

blam,

Thanks for the link on SCYTL.

From the article:
“... SCYTL’s internet voting system is vulnerable to attack from the outside AND the inside” ...

... “With SCYTL internet voting, there will be no ballots. No physical evidence. No chain of custody. No way for the public to authenticate who actually cast the votes, chain of custody, or the count....”

I would add SCYTL is a company run by ‘citizens of the world’ who make decisions based upon profits only. The integrity of our elections is being compromised for nanocents upon the dollar.


50 posted on 04/29/2012 7:37:58 AM PDT by khelus
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