Ignorant Maher: Romney Only Gives to Mormons - 'His Cult'; 'That's Not a Charity

NewsBuster.com ^ | April 28, 2012 | Noel Shepoard

[Sola Veritas]

“And they do it without fanfare, and media cameras around pronouncing how ‘good! and Caring!’ they are.”

You are entirely wrong. Everything the Mormons do is about converting persons to Mormonism. The example you mentioned above is one. There ARE strings attached.

Now do other religious (even true Christian) bodies give to woo in converts. Yes, of course. However, the Mormons are even more sinister in the way they do it.

So many times I have seen persons unwittingly sucked into Mormonism because they needed charity. The Mormons were ready to give it.....but the missionaries coming by were part of the deal. There is NO altrulism in Mormonism...just suck more fools in to go to hell with them.

Maher, is only wrong in the sense that he doesn’t understand that giving to a “tax exempt” religious body is “charity” under the law. However, he is right to call Mormons a cult. Although, it isn’t because he has orthodox beliefs...he hates ALL religious bodies.

Stop DEFENDING ROMNEY ON FREE REPUBLIC! This is a Romney free zone. Ask Jim Robinson, the owner.

[Sola Veritas]

“And no, I am not a Mormon.”

Then why are you posting MORMON PROPOGANDA on this forum?

Stop posting anything pro-Romney. This is a Romney free zone.

[BlueMoose]

I have mormon family and friends and they will tell you very little of their food storage goes to anyone but mornons and they are required to pay it back.

Let me see. I don't any thing but family and friends.

[IWONDR]

“and that unless they become Mormons they are going to Hell...”

why didn’t we hear from you decrying the religious bigotry on the Freepathon thread? ever hear: she who is without sin let her cast the first stone, or something to that effect, right Nana?

[IWONDR]

“What is it with all this Mormon bashing?”

because there is a certain group of Freepers whose only mission is to attack mormons. one could say that they have set themselves up as judges of men. myself, i would rather leave that to our Father in Heaven. i believe there are good people among all faiths.

[IWONDR]

“What utter BS. If you think you can back that up, post some sources for the statement. FYI, members are told many times when applying for aid to contact the government agencies first.”

and the sources for your “utter BS” statement suggesting otherwise? more religious intolerance exemplified by another Freeper. please enlighten us on your religious affiliation and what it does for others, and don’t forget to provide verifiable sources for their help to the poor. i’m sure others will want to check your church out for their good works as opposed to the supposed same of the mormon church.

[RichInOC]

I have my problems with Mitt, but having his charitable contributions mocked by a guy whose favorite charity is stanky hookers is just pure comedy.

[svcw]

It is interesting those who defend mormonism and know nothing about it except what the SLC PR machine has fed them.

[svcw]

Not even close

[Colofornian]

more religious intolerance exemplified by another Freeper

If you're such an examplar of religious tolerance, then why don't you tolerate what greyfoxx says religiously?

Answer? (When self-refuters like yourself come on threads, preaching tolerance and practicing intolerance, it's usually because these posters are dual-faced hypocrites...so what are we to embrace...the supposed tolerance you preach; or your post example here of religious intolerance?)

[Elsie]

Bill Maher on Friday evening once again displayed a level of ignorance and intolerance that should completely disqualify him as a political commentator.

I do so wish they'd make a LIST of the things that are

1. Ignorant and...
2. Intolerant.

What's a poor, unknowing soul to LOOK for in these writings?

[Elsie]

Bill Maher on Friday evening once again displayed a level of ignorance and intolerance that should completely disqualify him as a political commentator.

Maybe he was trying out for a Living Prophet® gig!

(Refer to #5...)

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Elsie]

because there is a certain group of Freepers whose only mission is to attack mormons.

I just HATE when that happens!!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

because there is a certain group of Freepers whose only mission is to attack mormons.

No; SIR!

We are NOT attacking MORMONs!

[Elsie]

“What is it with all this Mormon bashing?”

Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
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Spotlighting
Heresy

[Elsie]

No; SIR!!

[Colofornian]

I’m not Morman, nor do I want to be, but I know the morman canneries do far more to help the poor, than many of the so-called “Food Kitchens” and federal programs do. [tcrlaf]

Sorry...this is a completely ludicrous statement.

This is ludicrous from a sheer budgeting and Mormon numbers' angle.

Of the 14 million Mormons, up to almost 9 million of them are either jack Mormons or are not your "weekly" Mormons. That takes the reality that 1.7% of the U.S. is Mormon -- and knocking that down to about .75% of the U.S. who are active Mormons...and are oft more overwhelmed than your avg. religious person due to the lay callings, temple rituals, genealogical research, and larger families that make up active Lds clans.

Of those 14 million Mormons, about 1.75 million are in Utah. (Utah has over 2.8 million pop; and 62.2% are Lds) So I would say almost 1/5th of active Mormons are based in Utah. They have marginal coverage in many states...and 21 canneries in the Eastern United States. Outside of Utah, Lds, Inc. has 73 canneries in the U.S....that's an average of less than 1.5 cannery per state (minus Utah). Source: http://www.providentliving.org/location/map/0,12566,2026-1-4,00.html

There's no way -- with the $ that the feds throw @ programs -- that a scattered Mormon approach averaging 1.5 canneries per state can even come close to matching the feds, especially when you take a closer look @ the locations of these canneries and see that many are missing from obvious key urban areas all over...

Oh, sure, you can easily conclude that the Mormons get more bang for the buck...are more efficient...and may even -- per cannery -- do better than the average fed-funded food kitchen...but so what? You're indicating privately-run programs beat out a fed bureaucracy probably every time?

Duh. If that's what you meant to say, to win the weekend Captain Obvious award.

[Colofornian]

I realized after my last post that I also falsely left the impression that these Lds canneries were primarily devoted to the poor. They're not.

They largely focus on stocking Lds families' pantries; as church leaders encourage them to keep a 2-year supply of food.

Indeed, the poor wind up benefitting -- because of the waterfall of always restocking according to can dates.

But that waterfall charity is home based; not Lds canneries...Obviously some Lds canneries food makes it directly to the poor...but that's not what these were designed to do.

[kabar]

Mormon propaganda? Pro-Romney? There are 14 million Mormons in the world. What do you have against Mormons?

[kabar]

Sources and funds for humanitarian work

All of these initiatives require manpower and while there are some full-time employees in administrative and clerical functions, there are also thousands of volunteer humanitarian missionaries. In emergency situations, local members and full-time missionaries who would normally devote their time to proselyting will participate in relief efforts, but in many of these more permanent initiatives the LDS Church uses Senior Missionary couples.

These couples are retired members of the LDS Church who devote six months to two years of their time to go anywhere in the world, typically at their own expense, to participate in these projects. Because of this volunteer force, the LDS Church is able to use 100 percent of money and goods donated in helping those in need. These missionaries often serve in activities related to their former profession. Doctors and nurses will serve medical missions either in the Neonatal Resuscitation programs or special missions to countries in need of dentists, eye doctors, surgeons and so forth. People with agricultural or engineering backgrounds will serve on the clean water initiative or else help farmers in developing countries.

Other members who are still working and raising families frequently donate time, money, and in-kind donations to help in these ventures. Members can volunteer at local canneries and farms to help produce food for the needy. They can volunteer to create the medical kits needed for doctors and new mothers in developing nations and many help make blankets for needy families. Many of these local initiatives are organized by the Relief Society. This volunteer force allows the LDS Church to reduce operating expenses and serve more people with their resources.

From 1985 - 2009, $327.6 million in cash and $884.6 million in commodities of aid was given throughout 178 countries