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Incredible Shrinking Country (Japan faces swift demographic collapse)
New York Times ^ | 04/28/2012 | By ROSS DOUTHAT

Posted on 04/29/2012 8:46:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

“THE Children of Men,” P. D. James’s 1992 novel, is set in a future where the world’s male population has become infertile, and an aging Britain is adapting to the human race’s gradual extinction. Women push dolls in baby carriages. Families baptize kittens. There are state-run “national porn shops” to stimulate the flagging male libido. Suicide flourishes. Immigrants are welcomed as guest laborers but expelled once they become too old to work. The last children born on earth — the so-called “Omegas” — have grown up to be bored, arrogant, antisocial and destructive.

James’s book, like most effective dystopias, worked by exaggerating existing trends — the plunge in birthrates across the developed world, the spread of voluntary euthanasia in nations like the Netherlands and Switzerland, the European struggle to assimilate a growing immigrant population.

But one developed nation is making “Children of Men” look particularly prophetic. In Japan, birthrates are now so low and life expectancy so great that the nation will soon have a demographic profile that matches that of the American retirement community of Palm Springs. “Gradually but relentlessly,” the demographer Nick Eberstadt writes in the latest issue of The Wilson Quarterly, “Japan is evolving into a type of society whose contours and workings have only been contemplated in science fiction.”

Eberstadt has spent years writing about the challenges posed by declining fertility around the globe. But Japan, he notes, is a unique case. The Japanese birthrate hovers around just 1.3 children per woman, far below the level required to maintain a stable population. Thanks to increasing life expectancy, by 2040 “there could almost be one centenarian on hand to welcome each Japanese newborn.” Over the same period, the overall Japanese population is likely to decline by 20 percent, with grim consequences for an already-stagnant economy

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demographics; japan; population
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1 posted on 04/29/2012 8:46:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Read “America Alone” by Mark Steyn.


2 posted on 04/29/2012 8:48:13 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SeekAndFind
the so-called “Omegas” 0bamas— have grown up to be bored, arrogant, antisocial and destructive

Amazing how it works better this way.

3 posted on 04/29/2012 8:49:53 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: SeekAndFind

They should import millions of Africans.


4 posted on 04/29/2012 8:51:06 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: FatherofFive

Exactly how the Omegas were portrayed in the movie “Animal House”!


5 posted on 04/29/2012 8:56:16 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Altura Ct.

Oh, that will work!

They have enough difficulty assimilating their own emigrants come home: http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=6996


6 posted on 04/29/2012 8:58:17 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SeekAndFind

“Honshu, Japan’s largest island, has a population density of 1157 people per square mile, greater than that Rhode Island and about six times that of North Carolina. Who can blame the Japanese for wanting some space?”


Packed together like sardines. Thats healthy?


7 posted on 04/29/2012 8:59:54 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: SeekAndFind

There are a lot of Japanese and their descendants living in other countries. Maybe they could offer some incentives to entice them back. Peru has a lot of Japanese, and of course America does. The recently arrived Japanese people I know like America because here there is more living space and they can afford more kids (usually 3) than they would have had in Japan. If Japan made housing for large families affordable and available, maybe more would return.


8 posted on 04/29/2012 9:01:20 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I know where they can get some! How about Central Americans? I know where there are a bunch of those too!


9 posted on 04/29/2012 9:09:55 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: married21

Second or third generation Japanese are not generally accepted by the mainland Japanese.


10 posted on 04/29/2012 9:09:56 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SeekAndFind

Douthat’s analysis, suprisingly in The Paper Of Record, is correct. A confluence of factors is bringing demographic winter to Japan more rapidly than anywhere else, a trend that is engulfing the world. The comments from NYT readers are also evidence that the lockstep avoidance of any analysis that doesn’t mesh with the Esatblished One is to be rejected.


11 posted on 04/29/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by jobim (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Japan is aborting itself out of existence. Each year hundreds of thousands of lives are snuffed out.


12 posted on 04/29/2012 9:17:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: married21
I have 4 children, and I still to this day don't understand all the complaining about how “expensive” they are, honestly with the exception of the private school we voluntarily send them too... I don't see hardly any impact at all monetarily from having children.
13 posted on 04/29/2012 9:18:43 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Altura Ct.

THe Japs are so racist they can’t even tolerate Koreans. Koreans are genetically the same as Japanese.


14 posted on 04/29/2012 9:20:29 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Altura Ct.

THe Japs are so racist they can’t even tolerate Koreans. Koreans are genetically the same as Japanese.


15 posted on 04/29/2012 9:20:40 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Wait until they start driving.....


16 posted on 04/29/2012 9:21:28 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Japanese birthrate hovers around just 1.3 children per woman

What is the average of just the women that have at least one child? What might be happening is women that don't want children are removing themselves from the gene pool but women that do want children are having 2 or more. In time the birth rate may rise to normal levels as those that don't want children disappear from the picture.

17 posted on 04/29/2012 9:25:11 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: central_va
It is often said the the honey bucket and pachinko businesses are reserved for Koreans.

Some years ago, the most popular professional wrestler in Japan was a native Korean named Ricky Dozan...

18 posted on 04/29/2012 9:27:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SeekAndFind; Slings and Arrows
Families baptize kittens.

Wait, was that wrong?

19 posted on 04/29/2012 9:32:35 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: central_va

Cars are one of the few things I can think of that would ever cost any significant amount of money (even college isn’t an issue for us because my wife is a college professor and our kids will get free tuition)

But there is no rule that states we have to pay for their cars. I know I worked and saved up for my first car, I see no reason why they couldn’t do the same. I could even save up their allowance for them that they earn from doing choirs and such and use that to buy them a car when they get older.


20 posted on 04/29/2012 9:33:58 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: count-your-change
Japan is aborting itself out of existence.

Ah, I guess it was time for another fun round of "lets not read the article."

The problem is people not even having sex in the first place.

21 posted on 04/29/2012 9:37:00 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SeekAndFind

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) - Hundreds of protesters marched on Saturday in New York City against what they say are setbacks to equal rights and reproductive rights for women.

Saturday’s march against the “war on women” was one of dozens around the country.

Protesters marched from Washington Square down Broadway to Foley Square.

They chanted “Not the church, not the state, women must control their fate.”

Brenda Reiss says she was taking part in the protest because of efforts in several states to restrict access to abortion and contraception. She says women “will not be shoved back in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant.”

(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...


22 posted on 04/29/2012 9:39:31 AM PDT by B212
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To: SeekAndFind

Read the comments at the original story. “There are too many people!”.....”There’s not enough food!”.....Fear of what might be has killed more people in the last couple of hundred years (i.e. communism, fascism, abortion, liberalism) then weapons have. Cowards......a generation of selfish, self-absorbed, self-serving cowards.....


23 posted on 04/29/2012 9:45:51 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Altura Ct.
They should import millions of Africans.

Africans can't make a success of a Continent filled with natural resources - can you imagine the horror they would create after taking over an island without out ONE natural resource?

24 posted on 04/29/2012 9:46:25 AM PDT by GOPJ (Obama's father, grandfather and great-grandfather were polygamists.-ALL,including Obama ate dogs!!)
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To: B212

Hey Hey! Ho Ho!

Feminazis have to go!


25 posted on 04/29/2012 9:54:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

After Korea, my Dad was stationed in Japan where I learned what “Nisei” and “Sansei” meant, referring to the Americans among us who spoke no Japanese and bore only an ethnic resemblance to the local populace.

Later on when I learned the history of the 442d Regimental Combat Team in WWII, the heroics of that unit became easier to understand when I recalled the Nisei folks I had known.

Japan is Japan, and it is a very different place & culture from the rest of the world’s peoples of Japanese ancestry.


26 posted on 04/29/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke the Aswan High Dam, then nuke Mecca. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: vladimir998
They have enough difficulty assimilating their own emigrants come home: http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=6996

From the article you linked: "Such people, Dr. Tsuda concluded, do not fit the usual notion of a transnational community."

The "usual notion" of the author is presumably that everyone should shed their cultural norms and join the faceless drones of international socialism.

27 posted on 04/29/2012 10:03:24 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: married21

Japanese Brazilians and Peruvians would be a source of potential immigrants.


28 posted on 04/29/2012 10:06:22 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind; Morgana
There are state-run “national porn shops” to stimulate the flagging male libido

In a perverted country where children are sex objects (kiddie porn possession is legal)... who wants to have children? They obviously have no idea what the problem really is.

29 posted on 04/29/2012 10:24:04 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: central_va

I love Japanese humor, I love their anime, their people are attractive.

However, I know how much they like me.

We go to Korean shops to get everything Japanese because they will actually talk to us there.


30 posted on 04/29/2012 10:36:07 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: SeekAndFind
I lived in Japan for 4 years. 1995-2000. I have seen the Japanese culture of the men go from warrior to sissy. The Japanese male uses more make-up than most women. They have become so metro-sexual, that they don't even think about marriage and having kids, and sex with a wife is ecky... They do like their comfort women and that is only about 3 to 4 times a year.
I would be sitting in a booth at a cafe’ and Japanese women,most of them young and beautiful would come and sit at my table and start talking in English to me. They would ask all kinds of question about my country, American culture and sooner or later, about sex. It seems that their boyfriends or husbands don't like having sex.....
What a pity that their males have lost....Lust....
31 posted on 04/29/2012 10:39:50 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: martin_fierro; SeekAndFind
> Families baptize kittens.

Wait, was that wrong?

Easier than a bris.

32 posted on 04/29/2012 10:40:14 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: chessplayer

“Honshu, Japan’s largest island, has a population density of 1157 people per square mile, greater than that Rhode Island and about six times that of North Carolina. Who can blame the Japanese for wanting some space?”


Packed together like sardines. Thats healthy?

Yeah I saw that comment at the bottom of the article. However, they person who wrote it misses the point. The Japanese aren’t committing demographic suicide because they want more personal space. They’re doing it because as a people they’ve lost the desire to be a people. Its a lot more complicated than that, but that’s the executive summary.


33 posted on 04/29/2012 10:47:18 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: Slings and Arrows

He was a brave man who first baptized a kitten.

But not as brave as the man who first circumcised one.

[doffs hat and bows head]


34 posted on 04/29/2012 10:56:03 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: chessplayer

At that density we could stuff the world’s population into the USA and Canada.


35 posted on 04/29/2012 11:07:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: chessplayer

That’s one person per half acre. Sustainable, if not comfortable.


36 posted on 04/29/2012 11:09:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Strategerist

I don’t have access to the bedrooms of the Japanese people so I wouldn’t know about their sexual habits, however....the figures on abortion are available even if not precise.
Perhaps the aborted were all conceived by IVF or something?


37 posted on 04/29/2012 11:11:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: B212

>> They chanted “Not the church, not the state, women must control their fate.”

I wonder if the LORD finds that amusing. Or not.


38 posted on 04/29/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: RichInOC

It’s tough being an early adopter.


39 posted on 04/29/2012 11:13:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

A friend is having her 14th. They’re doing fine, though living on a farm helps a lot of the food costs.


40 posted on 04/29/2012 11:13:23 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: central_va
THe Japs are so racist

One wonders if even in the darkest recesses of your own mind do you not see the irony.

FYI, some of the most popular Pop bands and actors and models in Japan are all Korean. It's one of the big trends right now.

41 posted on 04/29/2012 11:26:34 AM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: RichInOC
But not as brave as the man who first circumcised one.

That's been a running joke with me for 20 years or more. I went to work one day and someone noticed my hands were all scratched up (I had been working cleaning up hedges in the yard)) and asked me what happened to my hands?

I told them I was circumcising my cat. Everybody just looked at me weird and I never told them any different.

42 posted on 04/29/2012 11:32:21 AM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: baddog 219
I would be sitting in a booth at a cafe’ and Japanese women,most of them young and beautiful would come and sit at my table and start talking in English to me. They would ask all kinds of question about my country, American culture and sooner or later, about sex. It seems that their boyfriends or husbands don't like having sex..... What a pity that their males have lost....Lust....

Wish I had moved to Japan when I was younger sometimes. I love my wife and don't want to give her up, but I would be lying if I said I didn't find Japanese women very stimulating. I don't see how the men could lose their lust there or anywhere for that matter.

43 posted on 04/29/2012 11:36:11 AM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: GOPJ
can you imagine the horror they would create after taking over an island without out ONE natural resource?

Sure, it's called Haiti.

44 posted on 04/29/2012 11:45:30 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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45 posted on 04/29/2012 11:50:58 AM PDT by narses
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To: SeekAndFind

Frankly Japan would do well to get over their cultural xenophobia, and open immigration.

Even immigrants who have lived in Japan for generations, are profoundly discriminated against.

The new reality for Japan, is even more stark than the reality American are stubbornly trying to avoid looking at:

Japan faces Chinese domination. Soon.

They’re about to be overwhelmed, by the very same “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” they once tried to create.

And their new boss, is pretty p!ssed about some of the things they did, in places like NanJing.

Just saying.

Embrace the outside world, Japan. Welcome talented, determined immigrants who seek to join with you in friendship. This poster for one, would not mind climbing aboard.

Japan, with all the respect an ancient, innovative and outstanding culture deserves; this poster humbly mentions one simple fact for consideration:

You’ve already seen more clearly than perhaps any other nation - exactly what America is like, as a victor.

How do you suppose 1.3 billion Chinese Communists, will treat your nation, in that role?...


46 posted on 04/29/2012 12:03:46 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Obama ate his own dog as a child in Indonesia??)
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To: count-your-change
Japan is aborting itself out of existence. Each year hundreds of thousands of lives are snuffed out.

Japan has one of the lowest rates of abortion in the world. Not as low as the Netherlands, but certainly down on the list. See:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/ib_0599.html

47 posted on 04/29/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: douginthearmy

I remember back in the late 70s, they really seemed to like Cheap Trick.


48 posted on 04/29/2012 12:16:44 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: GeronL

“There are state-run “national porn shops” to stimulate the flagging male libido

In a perverted country where children are sex objects (kiddie porn possession is legal)... who wants to have children? They obviously have no idea what the problem really is. “

“national porn shops”??? They must be joking! Porn is the reason half the men in the US can’t get an erection (young men too) and need Viagra! Yes companies who make drugs like Viagra know this too. At $10.00 a pill do you think they really care? Get rid of the porn and more men would not need drugs like Viagra.


49 posted on 04/29/2012 12:26:33 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: ctdonath2
"At that density we could stuff the world’s population into the USA and Canada."

Don't give Obama any ideas. The open borders crowd would love to send out the invitations with the remaining taxpayers footing the bill.

50 posted on 04/29/2012 12:39:11 PM PDT by Truth29
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