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End-of-life care: Pain control carries risk of being called a killer
AMA News ^ | April 16, 2012 | Kevin B. O'Reilly

Posted on 04/29/2012 4:46:29 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

End-of-life care: Pain control carries risk of being called a killer

Accusations of euthanasia are common as patients, families and even other health professionals struggle to adjust to the new realities of end-of-life care.

By Kevin B. O'Reilly, amednews staff. Posted April 16, 2012.

Three decades after hospice emerged as the standard of care for terminally ill patients, the end-of-life treatments that palliative medicine physicians provide are frequently referred to as murder, euthanasia and killing.

More than half of hospice and palliative medicine physicians say patients, family members and even other health professionals have used those terms to describe care they recommended or implemented within the last five years, according to a nationwide survey of 663 palliative care doctors in the March Journal of Palliative Medicine.

Common palliative care treatments such as the use of opiates, sedatives and barbiturates to control pain and other symptoms are enough to draw accusations of murder and euthanasia, the study said. The troubling survey results come nearly six years after the American Board of Medical Specialties approved the hospice and palliative medicine subspecialty certification, and 30 years after the creation of the Medicare hospice benefit.

Nearly 1.6 million Americans received hospice care in 2010, up from about 25,000 in 1982, said the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization. And palliative medicine has made its presence felt in hospitals, with 85% of 300-plus bed hospitals boasting palliative care teams, according to the New York City-based Center to Advance Palliative Care.

Yet the growing use of hospice and palliative care is creating more opportunities for misunderstandings, experts said. New developments in end-of-life care — aggressive pain and symptom management (even to the point of unconsciousness), along with a greater willingness to withdraw advanced, life-sustaining treatments such as mechanical ventilation, dialysis, and artificial hydration and nutrition — still strike many people as wrong.

The survey’s findings highlight the gap between the well-established ethical and legal boundaries that demarcate acceptable end-of-life care and the understanding of patients, families and other members of the health care team, experts said.

Nearly 1.6 million Americans received hospice care in 2010, up from about 25,000 in 1982.

“It’s alarming,” said H. Rex Greene, MD, a practicing oncologist and palliative medicine specialist in Lima, Ohio. “To accuse legitimate palliative care physicians of euthanasia and murder is a horrible mischaracterization of what’s done to relieve symptoms at the end of life.”

Twenty-five of the physicians surveyed said they were formally investigated by their institutions, state medical boards or prosecutors, with about half of those cases related to the use of opiates to manage dying patients’ pain. Nearly a quarter of the investigations were related to the use of palliative and sedative medications when discontinuing mechanical ventilation. An additional 8% of the investigations were for palliative sedation — the practice of sedating to unconsciousness terminally ill patients who have severe, refractory pain.

All of these treatments — when conducted with the consent of patients or surrogate decision-makers and implemented with the intent of alleviating pain or other symptoms in terminally ill patients — are broadly accepted as ethically and legally appropriate, even if they have the secondary effect of speeding the dying process.

“Physicians have an obligation to relieve pain and suffering and to promote the dignity and autonomy of dying patients in their care,” says the American Medical Association Code of Medical Ethics. “This includes providing effective palliative treatment even though it may foreseeably hasten death.”

Hard-wired misperceptions

Although none of the physicians investigated was found at fault, most reported worry, anger, anxiety, isolation, depression and difficulty working as a result of the ordeal. Euthanasia accusations — whether voiced in the patient’s room or in the courtroom — could have a chilling effect on physicians’ treatment of dying patients’ symptoms, said John G. Carney, CEO of the Center for Practical Bioethics, a Kansas City, Mo., think tank that works to improve end-of-life care.

“I’m deeply concerned that if we don’t pay attention to the message in this article, we are going to be dealing with this issue of physicians who are reluctant to do what they know to be right because they are afraid of what people will say or that someone’s going to investigate,” said Carney, a former hospice executive director.

The distinction between aggressive pain control or the withdrawal of life-sustaining treatments and euthanasia is still lost on many patients and families, physicians said.

“These misperceptions are really pretty hard-wired and difficult to eliminate,” said David Casarett, MD, chief medical officer of the University of Pennsylvania Health System’s hospice program in the Philadelphia area. “Believe me, if there were an easy way to communicate these issues, then we wouldn’t have highly qualified physicians called before medical boards to explain their actions. To some degree, this is a cultural change. We’re far ahead of where we used to be 20 years ago. On the other hand, we can’t wait another 20 years for these things to go away.”

Transformation in end-of-life care

Doctors who care care for dying patients should take into account the public’s lagging understanding of end-of-life treatments, take time to explain their intricacies and make use of ethics consultation services, said Porter Storey, MD, executive vice president of the American Academy of Hospice and Palliative Medicine.

“When I started training in this area 30 years ago, it was a rare thing to remove a feeding tube because nobody lived long enough to get that sick,” said Dr. Storey, who practices outpatient palliative care in Boulder, Colo. “Now many people are living until they are extremely debilitated on life support. And if you work in an ICU, you want to sit down and take time and talk to people, but when it’s happening every day, it’s hard to remember sometimes that the public didn’t get informed that things have changed.”

Yet confusion about end-of-life care is not limited to patients and families. A majority of the doctors surveyed said that other physicians or health professionals at times characterized their palliative care treatments as murder, euthanasia or killing.

As end-of-life care has become more specialized, the gap between what palliative care specialists see as appropriate care and other doctors’ perception of those treatments has grown, physicians said.

“Those of us in palliative care and hospice don’t think that much about putting a patient on a large dose of an opioid like morphine. We do it all the time, and we see patients do well,” said Dr. Casarett, associate professor of medicine at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

Recently, a patient dying of cancer enrolled in Dr. Casarett’s hospice program after deciding to stop chemotherapy treatment. The oncologist caring for the patient was upset and talked with Dr. Casarett, saying that the combination of stopping curative treatment and using high doses of opiates was wrong.

“He said, ‘We might as well just be walking away, and we might as well just shoot [the patient] now,’” Dr. Casarett recalled.

“It still stings to hear that,” he said. But Dr. Casarett takes solace in knowing that he is doing right by his patients. “I tell other physicians that this is the standard of care, and that these sorts of medications and interventions are safe and effective.”

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Who’s calling palliative care “euthanasia”

More than half of palliative care doctors have been told the care they recommended or provided is “murder,” “euthanasia” or “killing.” The frequency of such accusations varies by source and at times includes other doctors.

Patient: 25%
Patient’s friend or relative: 59%
Physician’s friend or relative: 25%
Another physician: 56%
Another health professional: 57%

Source: “Prevalence of Formal Accusations of Murder and Euthanasia against Physicians,” Journal of Palliative Medicine, March (

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To: kitkat

If you want to die a “natural death” screaming in agony that’s your business. But keep your nose the hell out of mine.

21 posted on 04/29/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: jacquej; hinckley buzzard; wagglebee; Mount Athos; Marcella; kitkat
I'm glad your husband's experience in hospice was satisfactory.

My own experience with hospice and palliative care has not always been satisfactory.

Here's what happened to a dear friend of mine, a retired priest, 4 years ago this month:

I first met Fr. Gerard in 1998 while doing a house call for his mother, Dorothy. A brief initial conversation with them revealed that he was living in a small apartment only a block from my Podiatry practice, and that we shared many common traditional Catholic and pro-life interests. Dorothy later told me that after several years of marriage, she and her husband thought they could not have children, and they prayed to St. Gerard Majella for a child. After several years, Fr. Gerard was born, and was named after St. Gerard. A first class relic of St. Gerard was one of Fr. Gerard's prized possessions, and Dorothy maintained a deep devotion to St. Gerard until her death at age 101.

Fr. Gerard soon became a close friend, and we met frequently for meals. I assisted him with various tasks around his apartment, and he called me frequently for fellowship. He got to know my wife and children well and relied on us for help, as his only brother lived in West Virginia. Fr. Gerard eventually developed Parkinson's disease. We offered to take him into our home, but he declined, and entered a nursing home. We continued to visit him often and took him out to dine at his favorite restaurants.

In late 2007 and early 2008, Fr. Gerard's health declined rapidly. He left a voice message on my cell phone late on a Wednesday in April 2008, asking me to stop to visit. By the time I was able to visit him two days later, he had been admitted to a local hospital for aspiration pneumonia, and had been diagnosed as "terminal" by the treating physician. He was transferred to the palliative care unit and the treating physician and Fr. Gerard's brother insisted that Fr. Gerard wanted no extraordinary care to prolong his life.

I was shocked that he was receiving no water, no food, no IV, only Morphine. His Parkinson's was advancing and the aspiration pneumonia was a crisis, but neither were terminal. We were permitted to wet a sponge to moisten his lips, and he would try to suck all the moisture from the sponge, but we were forbidden to give him a drink of water, ostensibly because of the "risk of further aspiration pneumonia." Fr. Gerard had shared with me his opposition to passive euthanasia in the past, and he was trying to talk to me, but he had become so dehydrated that he could not form any words.

When the attending physician made rounds, I told him my concern that Fr. Gerard was receiving no food or water. The physician asserted that their hospice rules forbid IVs as it only "prolonged the process." A Catholic father of six himself, this doctor then stated, "The public has a misconception that death by dehydration is torturous, but that's not true. Its the most humane way to do this, with the least discomfort. We'll control any discomfort with the Morphine. That's what we're going to do." And with that he looked me in the eye defiantly, turned on his heel and left. I was speechless. I pleaded with Fr. Gerard's brother that he would never have consented to passive euthanasia by dehydration, to no avail.

I have always been pro-life. I had even attended pro-life conferences about euthanasia and I sat on the medical ethics committees of two hospitals in the mid 1990's. I had staff privileges at the hospital in question. But in April 2008, in Fr. Gerard's specific case, I simply did not know what to do. I called four good pro-life priests locally, begging for advice.

They all agreed that "You have to do something, Brian!" but none could offer any specific advice, and none could personally intervene to help save their fellow priest. Another priest I consulted recommended I request a medical ethics committee consultation.

Late on a Thursday evening, eight days after Fr. Gerard had left the voice message on my cell phone, I spoke with a physicians assistant who was on call for the ethics committee. I told her that he was a good priest and a faithful son of the Church who would never agree to being passively euthanized, and I discussed with her the relevant documents from Rome and the USCCB and Pennsylvania bishops. She asked me to enter these documents in Fr. Gerard's chart, and the medical ethics committee would be happy to review the case Friday morning on rounds.

Relieved that there was something I could finally do for this good priest, I went to the hospital Friday morning at 7:00am, asked the unit clerk to formally enter the documents into his chart for the ethics committee consultation, and headed down the hall to visit him.

His room was already empty.

Fr. Gerard had died of dehydration several hours earlier.

I've been studying and researching the palliative and hospice care industry since Fr. Gerard's death. What I've learned is that what happened to him is not the exception, but very common.

As a result, we are in the process of starting a pro-life Catholic home hospice care service in our diocese as a way to offer an alternative to the modern hospice and palliative care industry.

I gave a talk last week on euthanasia. For anyone who doesn't know, the founders of the American hospice movement do not share the Christian beliefs of the hospice movement. Here's an excerpt from my talk:

1)History of Hospice – Hospice as a thoroughly Catholic concept

a. Hospice and The Crusaders

(slide: images: Hospitaller, Mother Teresa, Saunders)

Linguistically, the word "hospice" derives from the Latin hospes, a word which served double-duty in referring both to guests and hosts. The name hospice was first applied to the care of dying patients by Mme Jeanne Garnier who founded the Dames de Calaire in Lyon, France, in 1842. The name was next introduced by the Irish Sisters of Charity when they opened Our Lady's Hospice in Dublin in 1879 and St Joseph's Hospice in Hackney, London (1905).

The first hospices originated in the 11th century. The Knights Hospitaller of St. John of Jerusalem, also known as the Order of Hospitallers or simply Hospitallers, were a group of men attached to a hospital in Jerusalem that was founded by Blessed Gerard around 1023 to provide care for poor, sick or injured pilgrims to the Holy Land.

In the early 14th century, the order of the Knights Hospitaller opened the first hospice in Rhodes, meant to provide refuge for travelers and care for the ill and dying. Hospices flourished in the Middle Ages, but languished as military-religious orders became dispersed.

b. 17th to  19th  century

(slide: text on Hospitallers, European hospices)

They were revived in the 17th century in France by the Daughters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul. France continued to see development in the hospice field; a hospice founded by Jeanne Garnier, opened in 1843. Six other hospices followed before 1900.

The more influential early developers of Hospice included the Irish Religious Sisters of Charity, who opened Our Lady's Hospice in Harold's Cross, Dublin, Ireland in 1879.   They expanded internationally, opening the Sacred Heart Hospice for the Dying in Sydney in 1890, with hospices in Melbourne and New South Wales following in the 1930s. In 1905, they opened St Joseph's Hospice in London. There in the 1950s Cicely Saunders developed many of the foundational principles of modern hospice care.

Hospices also developed in other areas. In the United Kingdom, steps were taken to remedy inadequate facilities for the terminally ill with the opening of the Friedenheim in London, which by 1892 offered 35 beds to patients dying of tuberculosis. Four more hospices were established in London by 1905. Australia, too, saw active hospice development, with notable hospices including the Home for Incurables in Adelaide (1879), the Home of Peace (1902) and the Anglican House of Peace for the Dying in Sydney (1907). In 1899, New York City saw the opening of St. Rose's Hospice by the Servants for Relief of Incurable Cancer, who soon expanded with six locations in other cities.


c. The modern hospice movement

(slide: Mother Teresa’s hospice)

Mother Teresa was the true founder of the modern hospice movement. She opened Kalighat, the Home of the Pure Heart, a hospice for the sick, destitute and the dying staffed by her sisters in Calcutta India in 1952, two years after she established the Missionaries of Charity in 1950. Mother Teresa created many homes for the dying and the unwanted from Calcutta to New York to Albania. She was one of the pioneers of establishing homes for AIDS victims, opening the first hospice for AIDS victims in New York in 1985.

For the secular Anglo-Saxon world, the individual acknowledged as the inspiration for the modern hospice movement is Dame Cicely Saunders, who as a student of nursing in her native England during World War II, witnessed a great deal of suffering and pain. In 1945 her parents divorced and she converted from agnosticism to evangelical Christianity.

(slide: “I prayed to know how best to serve God)

“I prayed to know how best to serve God,” she said. The answer came soon enough. "My story in this field goes right back to 1948 when I was a social worker… meeting a young Polish Jew who had an inoperable cancer," Saunders says. "I became very fond of him." David Tasma had escaped the Warsaw ghetto and was dying in a London hospital.

In a 2002 interview for The Daily Telegraph of London, she said, “I didn't set out to change the world; I set out to do something about pain."

Tasma’s pain, loneliness and anguish had a profound effect on Saunders. She visited Tasma frequently in the last two months of his life. As Saunders and Tasma spoke of his looming death, Saunders had a revelation:

(slide: “I realized that we needed not only better pain control but better overall care)

 “I realized that we needed not only better pain control but better overall care. People needed the space to be themselves. I coined the term ‘total pain,’ from my understanding that dying people have physical, spiritual, psychological, and social pain that must be treated. I have been working on that ever since.”

Compelled by her mission, she volunteered at the Roman Catholic St. Joseph's Hospice in London. Because the patients were perceived as beyond help, the nuns didn’t stick to pain control guidelines. Saunders learned to administer morphine before pain appeared, thus staying ahead of the pain. This would later influence her ideas about pain management and treatment. Saunders conceived of giving patients a regular pain control schedule, which, in her words, “was like waving a wand over the situation.”

A surgeon friend advised Saunders that if she were dedicated to pain management and caring for the terminally ill, people wouldn’t listen to a nurse. So, at the age of 33, at a time when there were few women doctors, she studied to be a physician. When she earned her medical degree in 1957 she became the first modern doctor to devote her career to dying patients. In 1967, Dame Cicely Saunders opened St. Christopher’s Hospice in London and sparked the modern hospice movement. Saunders emphasized focusing on the patient rather than the disease and introduced the notion of 'total pain', which included psychological and spiritual as well as the physical aspects. She experimented with a wide range of opioids for controlling physical pain but included also the needs of the patient's family.

She disseminated her philosophy internationally in a series of tours of the United States that began in 1963. A few years before Dr. Saunders opened St. Christopher’s, she delivered a lecture at Yale University in New Haven about her ideas. Among those in the audience was Florence Wald, then dean of Yale’s School of Nursing.  According to Wald, Dame Cicely's words changed the direction of her life. Wald left the deanship in 1968 and traveled to London where she worked at St. Christopher’s hospice to learn its approach to patient care and to study the hospice's organization and management. Six years later, in 1974, with the help of two physicians, Florence Wald founded Connecticut Hospice in Branford, on the outskirts of New Haven. As the first hospice in the United States, it was also first to offer home care.

At about the same time that Saunders was disseminating her theories and developing her hospice, in 1965, Swiss psychiatrist Elisabeth Kübler-Ross also began to consider the social responses to terminal illness, which she found inadequate at the Chicago hospital where her American physician husband was employed. Her 1969 best-seller, On Death and Dying, was influential on how the medical profession responded to the terminally ill, and along with Saunders and Florence Wald, helped to focus attention on the types of care available to them.

(slide: Diverging paths)

2) The diverging philosophical paths of traditional Christian hospice care and the emerging secular hospice/palliative care movement

While the history of the development of hospice care was thoroughly Catholic, and Dame Cecily Saunders was a devoted Evangelical Christian, the two primary founders of the American hospice movement, Florence Wald and Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, were decidedly not Christian.

Saunders was strongly opposed to euthanasia, partly because she was a committed Christian, and also because she argued that effective pain control is always possible and that euthanasia is therefore not needed. Her position was that a person who requested euthanasia had been failed in some way by others. She did acknowledge, however, that both sides in the euthanasia debate are against pointless pain and impersonal indignity. On at least one occasion she invited a distinguished doctor on to a committee, but withdrew the invitation after he told her that he was a member of the Voluntary Euthanasia Society.

The American hospice movement differs from its British parent in one key respect: its founder, Florence Wald, was both an agnostic and an open advocate of euthanasia. Wald told the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1999:

(slide: Wald Quote)

 “I know that I differ from Cicely Saunders, who is very much against assisted suicide. I disagree with her view on the basis that there are cases in which either the pain or the debilitation the patient is experiencing is more than can be borne, whether it be economically, physically, emotionally, or socially. For this reason, I feel a range of options should be available to the patient, and this should include assisted suicide.”

Elisabeth Kübler-Ross is widely known for her 1969 best-seller, On Death and Dying, and workshops and books based on her research form the backbone of many bereavement programs throughout the hospice and palliative care field. She was an advocate and leader in the field of end of life care in America and abroad throughout her life.

Unfortunately, Kübler-Ross was also a strong advocate of New Age beliefs (she provided a hearty endorsement for the dust cover for the New Age novel “The Celestine Prophecy”) and reincarnation, and included spirit mediums in some of her workshops with widows at her mountaintop retreat in Escondido, CA. There was a serious scandal concerned the involvement of Kübler-Ross and some of the grieving widows visiting her retreat with a self-proclaimed spirit medium who conned them all into believing that he not only had the ability to channel "afterlife entities," but even to facilitate the departed dead having conjugal relations with the grieving widows. "There are those who might say this has damaged my credibility," Kübler-Ross said, when she finally conceded that the spirit medium's behavior "did not meet the standards" of her retreat. But it's not important "whether people believe what I say ... I'm a doctor and a scientist, who simply reports what she sees, hears, and experiences."

Eventually, Kubler Ross would go on to proclaim, “Death does not exist.” Following one of her own workshops, she related an out of body experience in which she encountered "afterlife entities." She stated, "I saw myself lifted out of my physical body. ... [I]t was as if a whole lot of loving beings were taking all the tired parts out of me, similar to car mechanics in a car repair shop. ... I had an incredible sense that once all the parts were replaced I would be a young and fresh and energetic as I had been prior to the rather exhausting, draining workshop." After several of these out of body experiences she began to speak about death as the fountain of youth. "People after death become complete again. The blind can see, the deaf can hear, cripples are no longer crippled after all their vital signs have ceased to exist."  This idea of reincarnation following bodily renewal was a dangerous New Age deception that could make suicide seductive to the physically and mentally troubled.

(slide: The embrace and promotion of euthanasia within)

3) The embrace and promotion of euthanasia within large segments of the secular hospice/palliative care movement

The foundations of the parallel palliative care field are even more disturbing.

The first organized euthanasia movement in America emerged in the 1930s and was known as the Euthanasia Society of America.  Its strategy was first to secure legalization of passive euthanasia as a way to prepare public opinion to accept active euthanasia, commonly known as physician assisted suicide.   But there were conflicts within the movement and by 1980 there came to be two distinct wings when the more militant branch split off.   The militants call themselves the Hemlock Society, Death with Dignity and Compassion and Choices.   This wing advocates for physician assisted suicide.  

(slide: Ron Panzer euthanasia history slide)

(slide: Life Tree: Euthanasia Proponents in US)

The more nuanced wing, which is a continuation of the Euthanasia Society of America, gave itself more beneficent-sounding names which included Society for the Right to Die and Concern for Dying in the 70s and 80s, Choice in Dying in the early 90s, Partnership for Caring in the late 90s and Last Acts Partnership in the early 2000s.   This wing claimed to be against physician assisted suicide.  

(slide: Daniel Callahan – “Denial of nutrition)

But listen to how Daniel Callahan, a major proponent of this more nuanced wing, described the problem in 1983:   “Denial of nutrition, may, in the long run, become the only effective way to make certain that a large number of biologically tenacious patients actually die.” And he observed that a “deep seated revulsion” exists over the prospects of withholding or withdrawing nutrition and hydration.

In order to push this agenda, and break down the cultural barriers to it, the new field of bioethics was born in the 1970s. Both wings of the right-to-die movement and the emerging bioethics think tanks such as the Hastings Center, led by Daniel Callahan, worked TOGETHER to change attitudes and behavior, working to change the culture, painting the issues in terms of compassion versus technology.  

Today bioethics is embedded in formal governmental regulations, state and federal laws, and medical ethics guidelines around the world.   Bioethics is a subfield of ethics that was “created” in the 1970s and it quickly became internationally accepted.   From its philosophic base has come the utilitarian culture that now threatens to permanently change the culture and practice of medicine. 

Strategy and Program Design 

(slide: The new bioethics consensus)

The ultimate goal of the new bioethics has been the creation of a new consensus:

Among the major foundations spearheading this effort are 1) the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which funded the research, and infrastructure, and 2) George Soros’ Open Society Institute/Project on Death in America.  In the last two decades these two foundations provided hundreds of millions of dollars to advance the integration of their version of palliative care into the American health care system.   Soros’ Open Society Institute/ Project on Death in America began funding a Faculty Scholars Program which provided a leadership base for promotion of palliative care into mainstream medicine.   

(slide: Bruce Jennings quote)

There are always reasons to hope. Despite these massive amounts of money and the powerful forces pushing this agenda, they have not completely succeeded in their efforts, as evidenced by a quote from the 2005 Hastings Center Special Supplement Report written shortly after Terri Schiavo died.  The author of the Preface complained: 

“What progress has been made is now in danger of being undone.  The framework of principles for legitimate decision-making at the end of life built by the courts, the legislatures, and in professional and ethical literature has not been embraced—indeed, it has been rejected, at least in large part – by increasingly powerful and vocal minorities; and political support for this framework, as well as its intellectual justification, seems to be eroding.   This is a CRITICAL PROBLEM.”  

(slide: Likely future developments in light of Demographics)

22 posted on 04/29/2012 6:19:35 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: jacquej

My husband died from brain cancer but he didn’t die struggling for breath at the hospice death house.

Doctors tend to think a patient might as well go to hospice and die if there is nothing else they can do. The spouse or family member in charge should not hesitate to question the doctor’s “advice”. Find out all the possible placements besides hospice. There is a hospital like “Solara” which is a placement for the vitally ill. My husband rallied from that first time the doctor wanted to write him off, and he was in a rehab. hospital during that time, not hospice. Near the end, he was in our local hospital under the care of our family doctor who knew him well.

Do due diligence, and don’t accept what just one doctor says who can’t do anything else for him - that one doctor was wrong to suggest hospice so I researched and went another way. There are options beside hospice is what I am saying.

This is my final post on this.

23 posted on 04/29/2012 6:24:11 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: KoRn
Benzos serve a two fold medical purpose. First is obvious which is the patients own comfort. Second is controlling their Seizure activity. Benzos in that respect are mild compared to stronger meds for seizures.
24 posted on 04/29/2012 6:24:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Anyone reading this needs to call up their estate planning attorney, or if they don't have one, to get one. They need a will, power of attorney, and a patient advocate (also known as advance directives or medical power of attorney in some areas). Put your wishes down in writing, after discussing them with your family and those you trust.

In my view, pain management is perfectly acceptable if it is the patient's death, even it if possibly hastens death. Suicide isn't acceptable, and starving someone to death is beyond the pale.

25 posted on 04/29/2012 6:35:00 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: Mount Athos
the curious attitude it takes, that all accusations must be false and without merit
yes, I saw that from the first sentence
struggle to adjust to the new realities of end-of-life care
didn't see much about the actual advances in e.g. pain control. "struggle" quite often is a keyword. another clue is the appearance of "difficult decisions".
26 posted on 04/29/2012 6:38:09 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Fr. Gerard's brother insisted that Fr. Gerard wanted no extraordinary care to prolong his life. I was shocked that he was receiving no water, no food, no IV, only Morphine

Extraordinary care? He was denied ordinary care, at least by Catholic teachings.

Everyone should have an advance directive to protect himself from unnecessary medical treatment at the end of life. Withholding/withdrawing food and water is a natural – and even pleasant – way to die, and is a perfectly ethical means of controlling the time of death. “The principle of double effect” can be used to justify terminal sedation.

People I know in the medical field tell me that starvation is one of the worst ways to go. However I do agree with this part.

Everyone should have an advance directive to protect himself from unnecessary medical treatment at the end of life.

Advance directives can also protect you from Michael Schiavo types of situations where he wants the insurance money.

27 posted on 04/29/2012 6:52:19 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Dr. Kopp,

Since I am not a doctor, but a raw grieving widow, I do not have the energy (or the knowledge) to debate a topic fraught with so much political heat, considering the Obamacare issue.

All I can do is offer my husband’s predicament, his expressed wishes, and his personal Roman Catholic faith as it guided his choices.

He did not want a feeding tube, and did not want an IV tube. He was diagnosed as a Parkinson’s patient, but had many symptoms that did not fit that diagnosis, and for which the normal meds prescribed did nothing to help his most painful symptoms.

He had every right to choose not to go back into a modern hospital, which exacerbated his illness, and which was unable to treat his most painful symptoms.

After the third hospitalization, he begged me, and his adult children, not to subject him to that torture again, and the subsequent need for weeks of “rehab” were even harder for him, and distressed him even more.

Please consider - there is was no estate to inherit, all any of us wanted to do is to keep his final days as comfortable as possible. He was seen by the best neurologists, and neuro-psychiatric specialists in the Minneapolis area, and also spent several weeks being treated by the Mayo Clinic.

Nothing they had to offer helped to relieve his autonomic nervous system problems. Nothing they tried worked.

Hospice isn’t a panacea - Please know that I am not suggesting that.

I am surrounded with Parkinson’s patients in my “adult living” building who never have the problems my husband suffered.

But, I am so weary of explaining that Parkinson’s is a “catch-all” diagnosis of many different diseases of the brain, and is so easily attached as a label to anyone who suffers a movement disorder. Until a brain biopsy is done after death, who knows whether it was Lewy-Body, Autonomic Nervous System failure or whatever else they haven’t figured out, yet.

I am also sick and tired of dealing with doctors who try to fit patients into pigeon-hole diagnoses, and who are all to ready to pass them off to another medical center when the usual drugs don’t “work” the way they are supposed to, according to the salesmen that come around.

When I get hit by a truck, fall off the roof, slip on the ice, or get shot by someone in the ‘hood - the emergency room is my best chance.

When I get a chronic disease - I am sorry, I have no faith in modern medicine. Our recent experience suggests that hospice is a wiser choice.

Of course, that is just my opinion. Everyone else is free to consider whether the side-effects of the drugs pushed by the pharmaceutical companies are worth it, particularly when they do nothing to correct or resolve the underlying cause, but only treat the symptoms, but then cause new symptoms, needing new drugs, and so on into infinity.

You are entitled to your own opinion of the marvels of modern medicine, as I am entitled to mine. It totally failed my beloved husband, and I am bitter. He was only 72, and I wanted so many more years with this wonderful man.

I didn’t get them, but it wasn’t because of Hospice. They were the only ones who cared about his constant severe muscular pain.

28 posted on 04/29/2012 7:08:12 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: jacquej
I'm very sorry for your loss.

Thank you for sharing your story and experience with us.

29 posted on 04/29/2012 7:12:51 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: jacquej

Our views on modern medicine are not very different. Frankly, if anything, I’m probably more cynical about modern medicine that you.

My apologies if my post was upsetting.

30 posted on 04/29/2012 7:23:12 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Marcella

Marcella, my husband didn’t die struggling for breath.

His doctors didn’t recognize his symptoms - a total loss of interest in food and water. I couldn’t get him to eat or drink.

I had to get the nursing supervisor and the health care supervisor here in our independent living facility to get through to these clowns that my husband was dying, and refused to go back to the hospital to do it.

Your experience is your experience, and mine is mine. We differ on the value of hospice. It made my husband’s last days so much easier.

Refusing hospice for your husband made your last days easier.

Our husband’s and our own individual needs are different. Let’s let it go at that.

31 posted on 04/29/2012 7:24:09 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Darren McCarty
Really the feeding tube would depend on many things. If death is very close as in a week? Does anyone really want to place a tube up their nose and down their throat? You have many things to consider including comfort. My dad didn't want tubes. About three days before he passed he went into severe seizures then seemed to be OK. By next morning he wasn't conscious. Two days later he was gone.

Up till the day of the seizures he drank Ensures only when he wanted them. His want became less frequent but he was only denied one thing. At first I denied him Tomato soup solely because I honestly thought it would make him throw up. A day later I gave in and warmed him some. A few sips he was happy and it was the last thing he had to eat or drink. I'm glad I did give it too him but a four course meal at the point he was at would not have added a day nor gave him any comfort nor likely would a tube as the catheters he had pulled out several times. Some things don't have one size fits all answers.

If he was prognosed at even another month? Yea I see the consideration for a feeding tube.

32 posted on 04/29/2012 7:33:02 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We ALL will rely on “free” medical care one day.

The ugly truth came out during the Hillarycare debates. There can be no private pay system with State run healthcare.

It would set up a two-tiered system of those who can afford to get real care and everybody else.

And Jocelyn Elders’ big gaffe was NOT about teaching kids to masturbate (that is the sex positive agenda's plan) but admitting that old people “are just gonna die anyway” so they will be denied care. She said rudely that the money should be spent on younger patients since they will be the workers paying into social security to keep it solvent.

33 posted on 04/29/2012 7:33:46 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: Lurker

There is a difference between controlling pain and killing someone prematurely.

My mother in law died last summer after fighting metastatic lung cancer for over two years. Hers metastasized to her lower spine and sacrum, and she had multiple pathological fractures in her lower spine and sacrum. We kept her home and comfortable until 48 hours before she died.

Bone mets with pathological spine fractures is the textbook definition of severe intractable cancer pain, but we were able to keep her comfortable until her natural death, and without killing her prematurely.

Despite the hospice, whose only answer to pain was the pennies a dose liquid morphine and MS Contin.

We had to fight tooth and nail to get her proper pain control, and her hospice was refusing to pay for anything except morphine. We had to fight tooth and nail to get her proper hydration (i.e., an IV after she could no longer swallow, but complained of being severely thirsty.)

We’ve been there, done that. I’ve seen it, I’ve fought the system, I’ve seen the abuses.

The abuses are there. They are killing people prematurely every day by dehydration and terminal sedation.

These things are not a figment of family and friends’ imaginations, or a lack of understanding of evolving standards of end of life care.

Euthanasia is euthanasia, no matter how much verbal engineering the field may employ to protest otherwise.

And you don’t have to kill people to get adequate pain control.

34 posted on 04/29/2012 7:40:51 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Marcella

I’ve had no personal experience with hospice but I think you’re being a little hard on them.

I have friends who thought they were wonderful.

As I understand it, hospice is used when a patient is deemed terminal and no further treatment is advised or could help.

Prolonging a life in pain when there is no hope or viable treatment is only kind if you think it is.

35 posted on 04/29/2012 7:43:09 PM PDT by altura (I retired my tag line--it is now receiving social security.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I will respond to you since you posted the original article.

Your experience was my experience. I was not going to subject my husband to no hydration/no food, and see him slowly die in that condition.

Numerous times he told me not to give up on him, don't let anyone pull the plug until you know my brain is totally dead.

I have a Ph.D. in counseling psychology and was a licensed EMT - I knew about minds and bodies.

I also know medical doctors know little about death - they avoid it. Once they can't do more, they want rid of the problem.

So many times I was asked, “Does he have a Living Will?” Every time I said, “A Living Will is a Death Will. I have a medical power of attorney for him and I make the medical decisions.” I gave out many copies of the Medical Power of Attorney.

A “Living Will” says, “don't save me, let me die.”

I am sure numerous doctors during that time hated to see my medical power of attorney - they had to get my okay before they could kill him by withholding extraordinary care and I wouldn't let them starve him to death or not put him on a ventilator when he had trouble breathing.

One doctor said, well, you may have a medical power of attorney but you are the wife so that matters. I said this is a legal document that no one in the extended family can question, so it matters.

Your priest friend so needed someone he trusted, like you, to have a medical power of attorney for him. You could have stopped what they were doing to your friend.

My son has my medical power of attorney and he knows my wishes and I literally trust him with my life.

The medical community is made up of people who go to work and go home. They do not consider your loved one once they leave that place and they would leave early if they could. You are the one who cares and you are the one who has to know the landscape to protect your loved one.

Dr. Kopp - does someone you trust have your medical power of attorney?

36 posted on 04/29/2012 7:44:32 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Marcella

I will take your advise over anyone else on this. I will not only not go to a hospice facility. If the suggestion is even brought up, my wife will have me moved to a different hospital.

God bless you, Marcella.

37 posted on 04/29/2012 7:46:25 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Marcella

“Yes, my husband died, but he lived much longer than he would have if I had sent him to hospice and he got everything possible until he died so I know I did everything humanly possible to keep him alive. I did not abandon him to die in a hospice death house.”

Interestingly, when facing their own deaths, many doctors themselves do not believe in doing “everything possible” to stay alive:
Good article, worth reading...

38 posted on 04/29/2012 7:47:59 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Darren McCarty
You have no idea how many patients - today - have food and water withheld from them. Supposedly this makes them more comfortable and hastens their 'release' from their pain.That is baloney.

When a person is dying and they are trying to suck water out of a wet sponge on their lips, they are not comfortable.

I know a few people who have been happy with their hospice experience for a loved one. I am not one of them.

39 posted on 04/29/2012 7:50:35 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: altura; TeĆ³filo; Cronos; wagglebee; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ArrogantBustard; ...
As I understand it, hospice is used when a patient is deemed terminal and no further treatment is advised or could help.

Who deems them terminal? A corporate hospice who stands to make money from that diagnosis? A euthanasia advocate who uses it to carry out an agenda? The following is from a fairly liberal physician's blog:

Tuesday, July 26, 2011

"Prepare Them to Die" - For-Profit Hospices as the Real Death Panels

A Bloomberg news investigative report illustrated the adverse effects of having for-profit corporations taking care of patients.

Hospice as a Social Movement

The corporations in question this time are for-profit hospices. Hospices in general gained a good reputation for improving the quality of life for patients near life's end:
Hospice got its start in the 1960s as a social movement. Volunteers, often meeting in schools and church basements, organized care so patients could die at home with loved ones, instead of at the hospital laced with tubes. Dame Cicely Saunders, the pioneering English physician who opened St. Christopher’s Hospice in London in 1967, fought traditional methods of unconditional resistance to death, and brought the concept to U.S. shores.

Hospices Become Commercial

Subsequently, in the US, every part of health care has become commercialized, including hospices:
hospice care has evolved from its charitable roots into a $14 billion business run mostly for profit,

In addition,
Of the hospices with two- thirds or more of their patients in nursing homes, 72 percent are for-profits.

Commercial Hospices Expand Their Markets: "Stop All the Live Discharges"

Hospices were originally meant to care for patients near death, however commercial hospices sought to expand their markets:
Providers have been accused of boosting their revenues with patients who aren’t near death and not eligible for hospice -- people healthy enough to live a long time with traditional medical care.

In particular,
Two-thirds of patients in hospices run for profit have general diagnoses like 'failure to thrive' and 'debility' compared to half in non-profits, which cater more to faster- killing conditions like cancer, a Harvard University study found earlier this year. Patients stay an average of 98 days in for- profit hospices versus 68 days at non-profits, which have a 0.2 percent profit margin, according to Medicare. The margin at for- profits is 50 times higher at 10 percent.

My comment is that "failure to thrive," and "debility" are not real diagnoses. At best, they are merely general descriptions of patients' conditions. Physicians have a hard enough time predicting the life span of patients with chronic, ultimately terminal, well-defined diseases, like specific types of metastatic cancer. How anyone can accurately predict the survival of patients who fail to thrive or exhibit debility is beyond me (and I have spent many years assessing the accuracy of physicians' predictions of a variety of outcomes, including the survival of critically ill patients, references provided on request).

To be eligible for Medicare hospice coverage, a person must have a prognosis of six months or less to live, certified by two doctors. Yet 20 percent of hospice patients live beyond that term, with their providers receiving government checks via recertifications that can go on indefinitely.

One case cited by the Bloomberg article includes allegations that a for-profit hospice held on to patients even though it had become clear they were not at the end of life.
An executive of a hospice owned by Harden Healthcare LLC emailed managers in 2008 urging them to 'stop all these live discharges' of patients to keep enrollments high, according to a civil fraud complaint by the Justice Department in federal court in Kansas City, Kansas. Company spokeswoman Meg Meo said the alleged events occurred before Austin, Texas-based Harden owned the hospice.

A whistleblower lawsuit brought by a former social worker for hospices run by Atlanta-based Gentiva Health Services Inc. (GTIV) said her job was to talk people who weren’t dying into believing that they were. The allegations predated Gentiva’s ownership of the chain, spokesman Scott Cianciulli said.

Gentiva’s Odyssey hospice unit faces investigations by HHS’s Office of Inspector General and the state of Georgia, according to regulatory filings. The company, which is the second-largest hospice provider, is cooperating with investigators, Cianciulli said.

Enrolling patients, retaining them as long as possible, and controlling costs are the top priorities at for-profit hospices, according to former and current employees interviewed by Bloomberg News. To increase revenues, hospices tie employee bonuses to enrollment, pay kickbacks to patients and referral sources, and use false diagnoses to admit ineligible patients, according to whistleblower, or qui tam, suits against three chains filed under the False Claims Act, which allows plaintiffs to share in any financial recovery for the government.

The Bloomberg report contained an even more chilling case:
One of the suits was filed by Misty Wall, a former social worker at Gentiva’s VistaCare hospice unit who said she was fired in 2005. Wall was assigned to convince people who weren’t dying that they were, she said in an interview.

Wall, now an assistant professor of social work at Boise State University in Idaho, said one woman broke down in tears when Wall suggested her father was dying from renal failure. The man’s own doctor had declined to recommend hospice, prescribing dialysis instead. Wall said VistaCare sent her to the daughter to change the family’s mind.

'I gave her this huge emotional blow, then sat there and soothed her,' Wall said. 'Of course she signed.'

Wall’s lawyer, Loren Jacobson, said, 'It wasn’t her idea. She did it because that was what was expected of her as part of her job, and when she refused to do it anymore and complained, she was fired.' Jacobsen called her client 'an extremely good soul stuck in a bad situation.'

Wall’s lawsuit, filed in federal court in Dallas, accuses VistaCare of paying illegal kickbacks to patients and nursing- home employees who referred residents to hospice. It also accuses VistaCare of doctor shopping to get patients certified.

As part of its sales pitch, the hospice told prospects, 'The VistaCare Foundation is here to make all your dreams come true,' Wall said. 'We used it as a selling feature.'

This case is particularly disturbing because patients with kidney failure actually may have quite a long life expectancy if they do not have serious co-morbid disease. Patients can be sustained on dialysis, and may be eligible for kidney transplants.

Note also that in 2009 we discussed a case of SouthernCare, a for-profit hospice company which settled (for $24.7 million) a case alleging that it had enrolled patients who were not likely to die in six months to increase its revenue, further suggesting that this is a widespread problem among for-profit hospices.

Limiting Care: "Prepare Them to Die" 

So I am actually surprised that only 20% of hospice patients survived more than six months.

However, putting patients who were not already near the end of life in hospice may mean denying potentially life saving care to patients who had the potential to live for at least a while:
Providers have been accused of boosting their revenues with patients who aren’t near death and not eligible for hospice -- people healthy enough to live a long time with traditional medical care. In hospices, patients give up their rights to 'curative' measures because they are presumed to be futile.

'By admitting these folks to hospice, they are denied access to routine medical and rehabilitative care that they need to extend and improve their lives,' said Cristen Krebs, executive director of Catholic Hospice of Pittsburgh, a non- profit. 'A vulnerable and voiceless population is preyed upon for money.'

So if "curative" measures are not used for patients who started with relatively favorable prognoses, but have developed new problems, guess what may happen?

The Bloomberg article opened with another distressing case:
With his mother wheezing and losing consciousness in a California nursing home, Robert Rogers wanted her moved to a hospital. Vitas Healthcare, her hospice provider, said that wasn’t in the plan.

'Our job is not to prepare them to live,' a Vitas nurse told Rogers on the phone, according to a deposition he gave in April. 'Our job is to prepare them to die.'

Rogers called 911. At the hospital, an emergency-room doctor removed 11 maggots from an open wound on his mother’s big toe. Five days later, in September 2008, 91-year-old Thelma Covington died of a sepsis infection brought on by gangrene in her toe and poor circulation, her death certificate said.

Rogers is suing Vitas, a unit of Cincinnati-based Chemed Corp. (CHE), in a California court for alleged elder abuse and wrongful death. Vitas, the biggest company in hospice care, has denied negligence and said that Covington and Rogers knew the risk involved in entering hospice.

The article elaborated on Ms Covington's initial condition, and how she was enrolled in hospice despite of it:
Vitas admitted Thelma Covington to hospice in November 2007, taking over her medical care at Willow Pass Healthcare Center in Concord, California. Her son, Robert Rogers, who had Covington’s power of attorney, said a Vitas salesperson called him and offered help so he wouldn’t have to be there so much.

Rogers said he didn’t know he was giving up rights to curative care when he signed his mother up for hospice, and wouldn’t have done so if he did. He said he 'didn’t read the fine print' and gave his consent because he was told there would be more people looking after her, taking a load off him.

He described her as alert on his visits, doing crossword puzzles, discussing movies and enjoying the Kentucky Fried Chicken he brought her.

The Vitas admission assessment for Covington said she was terminally ill with 'debility, unspecified' and had various other conditions, including dementia, congestive heart failure and diabetes. Two doctors certified that she had less than six months to live.

'She didn’t have no dementia,' Rogers said.

No one said anything about his mother’s life expectancy, according to Rogers, 75, a retired longshoreman and Covington’s only child. For 10 months, Medicare paid Vitas $199 a day to provide palliative care for her at Willow Pass, bills show.

Obviously, Ms Covington had more than 10 months to live. There is a major question whether she had anything resembling dementia. As noted earlier, "debility" is not a real diagnosis and does not imply a specific life-span.

The details of how the hospice allegedly failed to treat a new condition which was eventually fatal for Ms Covington are gut-wrenching:
On July 9, 2008, two months before her death, a Vitas doctor ordered a two-week cleansing and ointment treatment for an open wound on Covington’s toe, medical records show. The treatment was never carried out because the plan wasn’t placed in the 'treatment administrative record' that the nursing home used to implement orders, according to a deposition by Jennifer Bernal, one of Covington’s Willow Pass nurses. She called it 'a serious nursing error.'

Nevertheless, Vitas 'discontinued' the toe treatment on July 28, according to notes written by one of its nurses, who added 'course complete.'

Two days later, Covington was in agony from the wound; a Vitas nurse assessed her pain at level 10 on a 10-point severity index, records show. She was given morphine and a sedative.

On Aug. 25, a nursing home employee noted in a 'skin condition report' that the toe was scabrous, swollen, contained pus and had developed black 'eschar' -- dead tissue that’s a sign of gangrene. 'Hospice notified,' the report said.

Vitas’s notes on the toe for Aug. 25 and Aug. 27 again said 'interventions effective, continue plan.' On Sept. 5, a Vitas nurse described 'soft black eschar' on the toe. By then, Covington was in such pain from the wound that she lay moaning, 'Lo[r]d have mercy,' a Vitas nurse noted.

On the morning of Sept. 7, a Vitas nurse discovered the gangrene and maggots, conferred with a Vitas doctor, washed the toe and wrapped it in plastic, according to nursing notes.

Rogers said in his deposition that he learned of the maggots later that day from the emergency-room doctor.

There has been a lot of blather from politicians in the US about "death panels" in debates about health care reform. Many such politicians seem worried that the US government has or will have death panels under the new health care reform legislation. We have criticized that legislation for not addressing many important health care problems. No one, however, has convingly demonstrated how its provisions would convene "death panels."

Wendell Potter argued in his book, Deadly Spin, (see this post) that for-profit insurance companies had their own "death panels." The Bloomberg article strongly suggests that for-profit hospices may also act like death panels. In search of more revenue, for-profit hospices may enroll patients who are not at the end of life, but then provide them only "comfort care," so that if they develop new conditions that are treatable, they are likely to die in the absence of treatment.

I am waiting for the politicians who so enthusiatically condemned the supposed "death panels" to be found in health care reform legislation to condemn for-profit hospices for behaving like death panels. 

In my humble opinion, the cases discussed above are the strongest argument yet that we need to reconsider our headlong rush to turn health care, particularly the direct care of patients, over to relatively unregulated, for-profit corporations. The cases above suggest that the pursuit of revenue ahead of patients' welfare by such organizations may lead to sick and dead patients.

I cannot see how for-profit direct patient care can be made safe for patients without intense government regulation. If any of those vocal advocates of "free market" health care (in the absence of any good explanation of how health care can ever be an ideal free market, see this post) can explain to me how for-profit hospices can be made safe for patients without such regulation, I would welcome their attempts.

Meanwhile, this just calls out for legislative and legal investigation, and urgent policy changes.

40 posted on 04/29/2012 8:05:37 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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