Posted on 04/29/2012 4:56:52 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
What the Secret Service could learn from drunken sailors
Roberto Loiederman, a merchant seaman from 1966 to 1974, is a writer in California. He co-authored “The Eagle Mutiny,” an account of the 1970 mutiny on a U.S. vessel.
What happened in Cartagena, Colombia, with the Secret Service seems unsavory to me, but not for the reasons you might think.
I make no judgments about men spending a night with escorts. As far as I’m concerned, those who take a holier-than-thou attitude about this are like Inspector Renault in “Casablanca” when he says he’s “shocked, shocked” to discover there is gambling at Rick’s Cafe . . . just before someone hands him his winnings.
No, what the Secret Service agents apparently did seems unsavory because of my own experiences.
More than 40 years ago, I was a merchant seaman. Whenever our ship would get to port — any port — we’d hurry to an area near the docks filled with bars and women. Valparaiso or Santos, Pusan or Saigon, Djibouti or Cartagena — the only changes, from port to port, were the local women’s ethnicity and language.
As a seaman, what other options do you have? You’re in a strange city for a few days. You’re with other hardworking, hard-playing guys. And you’ve got cash in your pocket. So you go to a bar, drink more than you should, smile at the women buzzing around, maybe dance with one and then — for a pre-arranged fee — take her to a hotel room.
I imagine the Secret Service agents in the scandal du jour went through similar steps. Of course, the current situation is different from what I remember.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
A gratuitous photo (from the New York Post) of the "call girl" who brought down the USSS agents.
The SS men were bush league in every sense of the word particularly at the clearance level that these “gentlemen” had. This speaks to the unprofussionalism rampant in the US Government at the present time.
An attractive woman, to be sure, but I’m hard put to picture any “services” she might offer that would be worth $800. Just sayin’
“This speaks to the unprofussionalism rampant in the US Government at the present time.”
The saying “fish rots from the head down” comes to mind...
I want everyone to know that I do not have much experience in hiring women for sex.
But to the best of my memory the subject woman always had the cash in her hand before the copulation began.
They must have changed the rules since I last talked to a friend who had committed such an act.
I’m betting the agent that blew the lid off this by “balking” at the hotel for double occupancy was one of “Holder’s” agents. The claims by other hookers just doubled from there. This is when the U.S. govt. acts stupidly by throwing money hand over fist to everyone just to shut them up.
Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
Obama is the Pimp in Chief.
*Food stamps in exchange for votes.
*Solydnra loan guarantees in exchange for donations.
*Stimulus cash to unions in exchange for support.
*Reduced student loans in exchange for college support.
*Free contraception for everyone on demand.
Fake photo! Moose-chelle has fried eggs, not boobs! As for the young woman in question, if you didn’t know her profession, how many of us would consider taking her to dinner? For that matter, many of us would take her to dinner anyway!
I believe if you factor in the effects of alcohol, it’s not too difficult to imagine how the events may have unfolded.
i guess nobody ever told them you aren't paying a prostitute for sex, you are paying them to go away quietly when it's done...
It’s always one clueless dude that spoils everything that you could get away with. Seen it so many times since high school.
Exactly!!!!
Aye-Aye up she rises early in the mornin.....
SS men are college graduates? You mean Ivy League for what is essentially no different than a bar bouncer gig? What a waste of education.
All this talk of whores and drunken sailors made me think this article was going to be about Congress, lobbyists, and the Federal budget.
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You may know Marines. You may have the same slimy morals as the alley cats that roam the garbage filled streets of any give port. But you do NOT know ‘the breed’. In fact you would never qualify to be part of the breed.
What say ye now a**hole?
Being in the USN gave a lot of exposure to that environment...
LOL...just ask any 6th Fleet sailor who visited Naples in the last 40 years about Humpty Dumpty!
And yes. If I were attempting to get classified info from military people, I would target them from a sexual angle.
It has nothing to do with the prostitutes or being drunk——it is the ‘HONOR’ of representing the USA in a foreign land as part of the Presidential Detail (regardless of who is the President as any given time)-—they ‘disgraced’ the HONOR of my Nation
WW2 vet
And what do you think I was referring to,? Of course I was referring to Honey Traps. Again DUH!!!! Anyone can figure THAT out. The security breach could be severe. It's a bloody no brainer. This wouldn't have been as bad if this happened AFTER the visit. But before.? WTF! Even after the visit, information would have been garnered that was sensitive for future visits. But before the visit, the USSS is begging for trouble. And if something happened to Obama, dammit, we would be stuck with a Marxist Martyr on our hands for generations to come. God Damn the Secret Service for hiring Dumb Dicks.
You Dumb Dicks out there, you really piss me off.
If you can't handle a God Damned Honey then quit the job. NOW the Secret Service is handing out “Enhanced Rules”!!! Are you kidding me?
WTF, are we running here, kindergartens?
It seemed to me that his speeches always talked down this country, with the possible exception of a phrase such as "but all of that's changed now that I'm King, President.
It's taken this bit of whoremongering for the Bill Clinton legacy to weigh a bit heavier in the public's minds.
So you been in China, but you ain’t been to Carolina?
Alger Hiss was not an SS man. Neither were the Rosenbergs. Do we get it? SS men are meant to be stupid jocks. They don’t know no secrets.
You made my day. This USSS thingie gets me going. Your post saved me about a $400/hr analyst visit. ; )
Yes, I am joking about the $400 analyst visit. Really I am. ; )
They didnt.
I'm ticked off with the USSS because if anything happens to Obama we have a Martyred Marxist on our hands. It was bad enough with JFK. Can you imagine a Martyred Obama? It was unthinkable a month ago, but now?????
I got you you, yes! But whatever happens we won’t be able to stop the renaming of what’s left of Jefferson High Schools, streets and public squares.
Er, you might want to make that 50 or 60 years shipmate,my first Med cruise was in 1960 and she was well-known then!
Of course I've always suspected it was a franchise over the years.
The problem isn't that the security guys like hookers, its that they hired them while on a mission. Even the bouncer at a strip joint knows not to fool around while on duty. If the same Secret Service team decided to stay a couple of days on vacation after the mission was over and have at it with the local girls nobody would care.
Animal House frat boys protecting the POTUS.
Damn right you need chaperones or wardens or guards.
Maybe the federal government should provide the women. Then the fees would be settled in advance. Cleaner all the way around. Call it the FBP.
Federal Bureau of Pu$$y.
She was working that same spot in the mid-late 70s.
I don't care what they do at home. I care what they do in theater. Get it? They, the USSS agents, may have been off duty but they were in theater. Their job requires them to minimize the risk to the POTUS not maximize it through dumb dick behavior. You don't need to be ivy league or just out of seminary school to do a good and honorable job. The USSS agents did a piss poor job. Any kindergarten graduate from the Chicago Public School System could figure that out.
I am beyond concerned. I am fearful for my country because some dumb dick doesn't know when and where to pull it out. In my book wholesome virginity is not a requirement, but it would be nice if they had some common sense and minimized the risk to the POTUS. Especially this particular POTUS. This country would suffer greatly if Obama became a Martyred Marxist because of some dumb dick breached security in a Honey Trap.
Burst my bubble....I'd love to give you a tour of Amsterdam's Red Light District. I even know where you can find a fascinating Asian with bright blue eyes. But this is not the time or place. ; )
It’s legal there. The price was negotiated, but he was an ass and did not pay. In the US she would have gone her pimp, not he cops. Then we would not be talking about arrests—but at least assault, and at most a killing.
I’ve never paid cash for sex, but even I know you don’t not pay a prostitute or you get your ass whooped.
It’s legal there. The price was negotiated, but he was an ass and did not pay. In the US she would have gone her pimp, not he cops. Then we would not be talking about arrests—but at least assault, and at most a killing.
I’ve never paid cash for sex, but even I know you don’t skip out on a prostitute or you get your ass whooped.
Thats why they call them “Hookers”
you are really classy....
I hear there are some positions open at the USSS. You may qualify. You seem smarter and more honorable than the average USSS agent. ; )
We all suspected that “Humpty Dumpty” was a conglomeration of persons, I think, how could it be otherwise?
The “Humpty Dumpty” I saw in the mid to late Seventies appeared to be a somewhat elderly woman with (I am told) no teeth, or at least ones that were removable...:)
I was shocked when I saw her, because she appeared to me to be an elderly person and rather disgusting in appearance, but I am sure to to a 20 year old sailor, a hard woman in her forties or fifties would have appeared much the same way.
Of course, there was “The Castle” that was also the focal point of people who seemed to revel in perversion.
I admit that I found the concepts of “The Castle” and “Humpty Dumpty” to be more a source of hilarity than disgust, I suppose due to all the stories of things that supposedly went on, rather than actual verifiable experiences!
But I did find out one thing as a sailor-there were people I worked with whose appetites for things like that were very, very different indeed from my own, much to my fascination, hilarity and revulsion in equal parts.
Where there are men there will be prostitutes. The only reason women don't frequent male prostitutes is because there are many men willing to do it for free.
This reminds me of a joke. A little girl about 4 years old was taking a bath with her three year old brother. She started crying. Her mother asked her what was wrong. The little girl said she wanted a thingee-just like her little brother had. The mother just smiled and said,"Don't worry, with what you have you can get as many thingees as you want."
As a Marine I had two 6 month Med deployments ... one in 1965 and again the following year. The ladies of the Med followed us from port to port ... even if we weren't customers we recognized them and knew many of them by name. Naples, Genoa, Barcelona, Izmir, and several other ports of call ... same women who would give us a smile and a wave, sometimes a hug of recognition. Once again, you didn't need to be a customer ... but, if you were, it helped with the recognition factor.
Ha. Ain't that just the truth...:)
I must say, I learned a lot about human nature in my four years in the USN. I met some very colorful people...one guy, who was as friendly as could be, was wire-thin from Mississippi, and had got himself a license to preach, which just completed the ensemble! He always had a big lip full of snuff and that tell-tale worn/faded circle on the back pocket of his dungarees where he carried the container.
He and a buddy of his would go out "hog huntin" to find the homeliest woman to bed. They carried a polaroid camera and would take pictures and come back and show us.
OMG. I couldn't believe it. I had traveled all the way around the world by the time I was 13, had lived in Subic Bay and seen Olongapo, so I didn't think I was a bumpkin, but I had never seen anything like those guys.
I did two Med tours in 1977 and 1978, and the North Atlantic tour in 1976.
I did have a funny experience in Naples once when I was on Shore Patrol.
IIRC, they made the alleys above Via Roma off limits sometime around the mid-seventies. We had to patrol up in that area to make sure nobody was trying to go in there.
One night when I was on Shore Patrol, me and a 1st Class named Cook who had the nickname "Cookieman" (Who also happened to be my boss and probably 20 years my senior) got chased by an irate transvestite with a knife...heheh, kind of looked like Alice Cooper with a big black raincoat, came stumbling towards us shouting something in Italian brandishing a knife above his head!
As I was standing there gaping at this sight, Cookieman turned and ran, so I turned and ran too. We ran for a block or two laughing as we ran, then stopped to catch our breath.
While we were standing there, Cookieman was bent over with his hands on his knees, panting, and looked at me with a big grin and said "She looked like Grandma but talked like Grandpa..."
I laugh at that to this day...
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