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Obama criticized in reversal on child farm-labor regulations
Washington Post ^ | April 29, 2012 | By Sam hananel

Posted on 04/29/2012 6:58:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The Obama administration’s move to scrap a plan that would prevent some children from working in dangerous farm jobs drew sharp rebukes Friday from child-welfare advocates who claim the president caved in to election-year pressure from farmers and Republicans.

The Labor Department spent more than a year working on the proposal to ban children younger than 16 from using power-driven farm equipment — including tractors — and prevent those under 18 from working in grain silos, feed lots and stockyards.

The goal was to protect children, who are four times more likely to be killed while performing farm work than those in all other industries combined.

But the proposal was routinely mocked in rural states such as Kansas and Montana, where farmers often have their kids do chores that can include operating heavy equipment.

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said the government should not shirk its duty to keep working children safe.

“I am disappointed that the administration chose to walk away from regulations that were, at their core, about protecting children and which could have been revised to correct some of the initial proposals that generated the most concern,” Harkin said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: farms; nannystate; regulations; statism

1 posted on 04/29/2012 6:58:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Its for the CHILLLDRUN after all.

How many children have been killed by abortion?


2 posted on 04/29/2012 7:02:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

....and how many “child welfare advocates” actually have children?


3 posted on 04/29/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Obama back-peddled when he found out if child labor laws applied to families he couldn't send his daughters out hustling the streets for winos and bums to vote for him.
4 posted on 04/29/2012 7:06:51 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Not all Democrats are Bums but all Bums are Democrats".)
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To: driftdiver
A whole lot more than have been killed by farm equipment.

I grew up in a very rural, farming community. Only kid I know of that was killed in that sort of an accident was 18 or 19, was logging (by himself, stupid) and dropped a tree on himself.

I do know of plenty of adults that have had mishaps with equipment, though.

5 posted on 04/29/2012 7:07:02 PM PDT by wbill
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To: driftdiver
How many children have been killed by abortion?

Good point. Children have been working on family farms in the U.S. since the Pilgrims set foot on the shores...the government needs to BUTT out. This is NOT about the welfare of the children it's about control of the children, their families, the food supply, etc. The reversal, although IMO it will be short-lived, is most welcome. Morons.

6 posted on 04/29/2012 7:08:44 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: madison10; wbill

IMO its about controlling the food supply. Killing family farms is an important step in that direction.


7 posted on 04/29/2012 7:10:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Of the 16 children under the age of 16 who died from work-related injuries in 2010, 12 were in agriculture, according to Human Rights Watch.

All this excessive regulation over 12 accidental deaths. How many "youts" have died from crime and gang activities?

The government first creates a (non)problem and then attempts to solve it because it's safer and easier than dealing with real urban dysfunction.

8 posted on 04/29/2012 7:12:32 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

They don’t want to deal with urban problems. They want everyone to move to urban areas.


9 posted on 04/29/2012 7:14:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The goal was to protect children, who are four times more likely to be killed while performing farm work than those in all other industries combined."

Arrrgggghhh... Figures lie and liars figure: kids are 1,000 times more likely to be working on a farm than in all other "industries" except fast food. And the only way you get killed at McDOnald's is if one of Holder's people somebody robs the place and shoots everybody.

10 posted on 04/29/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Valpal1

One of my high school friends was killed in a farm accident. I got his job and the first thing the farmer said was “Don’t do what Scott did” and he was right.

He climbed under the bucket of a front end loader full of rocks just for a second and that’s all it took.


11 posted on 04/29/2012 7:17:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: wbill

Same here, I grew up in a farm community in North Dakota and knew only 1 kid under 18 that ever got hurt working on a farm.. However, there were a few adults that killed because they cut corners.


12 posted on 04/29/2012 7:17:58 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The goal was to protect children, who are four times more likely to be killed while performing farm work than those in all other industries combined.

That's almost certainly half the story, at best. As is usual in this situation, the full truth would include the number of deaths per "industry" and a number of all children employed.

13 posted on 04/29/2012 7:18:25 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Post drags on anecdotes. They are meaningless. What about stories of peopel on farms who have died because of government excess in regulatory overkill? That’s what we need. The Post, as usual, is promoting government expansion uber alles. I’m sick of those GD Commies at the Post.


14 posted on 04/29/2012 7:20:05 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Letting kids work with their dads/ be with their dads/ learn from their dads — this makes for strong men. Metrosexuals/ liberals/ Marxists do not like strong men, they do not like strong families, and they do not like independent folks who do for themselves.

Don’t mess with my kids, bucko (President Bucko, that is).


15 posted on 04/29/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Valpal1

12?! More kids probably die/are injured in bicycle accidents each week than in all the farm accidents each year combined? Are they going to take away bicycles?


16 posted on 04/29/2012 7:22:12 PM PDT by madison10 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. TJ)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Like I said before, they backed off because they would have had no way to enforce it and trying to would have been a nightmare. County sheriffs would have started arresting federal labor dept. agents for trespassing or other charges. Sheriffs in metropolitan areas (such as NYC, Chicago, Detroit, etc.) might have enforced it IF there were any farms to police, but in rural areas where the sheriff is part of the community (not the mob) and elected, I doubt seriously that any cooperation would have been given. Sheriffs have been known to make life for federals very miserable!


17 posted on 04/29/2012 7:25:00 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obummer Admin Scraps Kids Riding in Cars Ban

The Obummer administration’s move to scrap a plan that would prevent children from traveling in cars drew sharp rebukes Friday from car manufacturer advocates who claim the president caved in to election-year pressure from parents and teenage drivers.


18 posted on 04/29/2012 7:25:26 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Kiddier cars??` Who knew?)
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To: madison10

Many more than 12 die each year while in the care of the Child Protective services


19 posted on 04/29/2012 7:27:13 PM PDT by ebersole
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Were we directed by Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.” Jefferson had it pegged.

The Urban Americans must no longer be allowed to direct the lives of the non-urban Americans.


20 posted on 04/29/2012 7:31:30 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: alancarp

...or have ever done farm chores?


21 posted on 04/29/2012 7:32:06 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is only one goal; overwhelm the system.


22 posted on 04/29/2012 7:33:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Accidents happen. One of my sons-in-law has a job persuading farmers to install roll bars on their tractors. But farm jobs are extremely gratifying. Hard and demanding, but gratifying. When you finish the job, you can take satisfaction in it. And it is great training for life.

And family farms are the very basis of a strong and independent nation. That was true in the Roman Republic, and it has been true pretty much everywhere else that I know of.

Virgil’s Georgics gets it right.


23 posted on 04/29/2012 7:40:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m glad this was overturned, b/c we don’t own the whole farm, Mr. Cloverfarm’s parents own 3/4s of it.

Furthermore, it appears kids would not have been allowed to work with livestock including their own 4-H cows, heifers and horses.

That said, our kids work on the farm but WITH us. Middle son often rode shotgun with Grandpa, who could not get up and down off the tractor easily, and middle son would fix whatever needed fixing. That was precious time they spent together.

A lot of the issue is, kids will be kids. One of DD’s classmates was helping haul manure, jumped down, fell in front of a small (Thank God) spreader and ended up with multiple broken ribs. Another neighbor boy, same age as my youngest, went out to do chores — feed calves or something. He did not come in and the family found him in a collapsed pile of grain, suffocated. Apparently it looked like it had made a cave or a tunnel and when he crawled in to play or explore it collapsed.

We drove by that farm often on the way to church. The day after the accident his little bicycle was still out by the grain pile and that made me cry.

Our own kids have been kicked, stomped on, dragged and thrown by the livestock and had a number of falls, sprains, cuts and bruises (including a chain-saw kickback that ended up — thank God — being just a big long bloody scrape)

I’m glad we have angels watching over us.

As for those rules I think it was partially a good idea but badly thought out.


24 posted on 04/29/2012 7:48:04 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The dems want the jobs to go to mexican farm workers instead. Means more dem votes.


25 posted on 04/29/2012 7:48:52 PM PDT by samtheman ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You’re all missing the problem. It’s not that farm kids might be injured, it’s that farm kids might grow up competent and self-reliant.

And that needs to be stamped out at all costs.


26 posted on 04/29/2012 8:16:26 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said the government should not shirk its duty to keep working children safe.

Hey Harkin, can you show that to me in the Constitution?

The government's only duty is to get out of the way and let the free market do its thing.

27 posted on 04/29/2012 8:27:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...the president caved in to election-year pressure from farmers and Republicans.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The child-welfare advocates sure didn't complain when he yielded to their election-year pressures.

It must be frightening to them to realize that they don't hold as much clout as they thought they did.

28 posted on 04/29/2012 9:19:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said the government should not shirk its duty to keep working children safe. “

Maybe someday Iowans could through this communist fossil out on his fat ass for backing garbage like this. They’ll re-elect him en masse instead.


29 posted on 04/29/2012 9:37:21 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The more unpopular of Premier Hussein’s Marxist social regulations have been put on hold until the second term.

Then, Katie bar the door.


30 posted on 04/29/2012 10:37:28 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: driftdiver
And how many kids are killed & assulted every day in the liberal, socialist cess pool inner cities.....da hoods? Black on black crime is at epidemic rates. How about if the liberal RAT bastards & so called "child safety advocates" (yah, right) would get as excited about violence, death & mayhem in the inner cities? I would be willing to bet that more kids are killed & assulted in Detroit, MI in one year than the entire US farming community, including adults & kids.

This was nothing more than another overreach socialist, RAT bastard demoRAT & 0dumb0shit power play that got shot down because of overplaying their hand. Fortunately even demoRAT legislators turned against 0dumbo on this one, as well as Repub legislators.

31 posted on 04/29/2012 11:15:19 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This was Øbama’s first attempt to collectivized farms so the Marxist can control food production.


32 posted on 04/30/2012 3:06:27 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) “I am disappointed that the administration chose to walk away from regulations..."

Fed up yet, Iowa? Harkin has always put his politics before the state's best interest. I have never understood how this bastard keeps getting elected in Iowa.

33 posted on 04/30/2012 3:09:31 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Valpal1
All this excessive regulation over 12 accidental deaths. How many "youts" have died from crime and gang activities?

Hmmmm. I wonder how many youths apply their training on farms to jobs later in life working for someone else who doesn't supervise them properly? When I was a youth, I learned how to drive a tractor at about 10, and was allowed to mow and rake hay at about the same age. My uncle and grandfather watched me at first, after giving me explicit directions. I learned to drive the family pickup truck to haul hay at about 13. Initially supervised until they were comfortable I wouldn't kill myself. So preventing youths from learning in this manner will result in fewer deaths? If allowed to propogate, this proposed law would reesult in far more injuries and deaths, ultimately, albeit at a later age.

What's next... not allowing children to ride horses until their date of maturity? They won't have anything left to do except play video games, watch MTV, and have sex. They won't have grown up with any sense of responsibility. This administration is batty!

34 posted on 04/30/2012 3:14:03 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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To: jdege
farm kids might grow up competent and self-reliant

And a work ethic.

Most of the kids I grew up with in rural Iowa got up before dawn to do their chores, ate breakfast and then went to school. They accomplished more before 7am than our union led teachers did in a full week.

35 posted on 04/30/2012 3:14:48 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: alancarp

These people left their children in body bags in an abortion clinic.


36 posted on 04/30/2012 4:23:20 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Of the 16 children under the age of 16 who died from work-related injuries in 2010, 12 were in agriculture, according to Human Rights Watch.

The article states that 300,000 children under 18 work on farms and there were 12 deaths. How many kids drowned in swimming pools or while practicing or playing football? Doesn't sound like there is a need for far reaching and meddlesome new government regulations. Maybe a bulletin from the Department of Agriculture stressing farm safety.

37 posted on 04/30/2012 5:20:40 AM PDT by Will88
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To: wbill
A whole lot more than have been killed by farm equipment.

Bullsh!t.

Since 1973, have 53 MILLION been killed in the US by farm equipment? That's how many babies have been murdered under Roe v Wade.

What, are you a shill for the administration or something?

38 posted on 04/30/2012 8:43:26 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Stop. Take a breath. Read my post again.

We're all in agreement, here.

39 posted on 04/30/2012 8:52:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: backwoods-engineer
Reading comprehension is your friend.

A whole lot more than have been killed by farm equipment.

Means farm equipment is not as dangerous as abortion, get it?

40 posted on 04/30/2012 8:54:19 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: wbill
Stop. Take a breath. Read my post again. We're all in agreement, here.

Sorry. Having a bad morning, and have seen too many trolls on FR lately. Now seeing them where they aren't.

Apologies.

41 posted on 04/30/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

De nada. :-) We engineers need to stick together.


42 posted on 04/30/2012 10:02:28 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
An attempt to collectivize by removing kids, installing migrants, then unionizing.

Ugly.

43 posted on 04/30/2012 10:28:16 AM PDT by what's up
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