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The Economy Downshifts
New York Times ^ | April 29, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 04/29/2012 9:36:29 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The slow start for the economy in 2012 — an annual rate of 2.2 percent in the first three months of the year — is evidence that the recovery is too weak to push joblessness much lower than its current 8.2 percent, and too fragile to withstand the kinds of budget cuts Congressional Republicans are proposing.

A stark divide is developing on the campaign trail. President Obama is centering his agenda on policies to address economic inequality — including more manufacturing jobs and educational opportunities. Mitt Romney is focused on tax cuts for the rich, budget cuts for the poor, and on blaming Mr. Obama for the economic shambles created in the Bush years.

For now, the default policy is to slog on until the end of the year, when lawmakers will be forced to confront the looming federal budget cuts and the simultaneous expiration of the Bush tax cuts, the temporary payroll tax cut and federal unemployment benefits.

The fledgling recovery, beset by lopsided growth, will not be helped by a continuation of high-end Bush tax cuts, nor can the weak economy withstand severe budget cutbacks. Meanwhile, the uncertainty over future policy is yet another harbinger of continued slow growth.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: failure; journalism; obamanomics; socialism

1 posted on 04/29/2012 9:36:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Old Grey Whore croaks out the same old tune. Raise taxes, increase spending, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Iceberg? What iceberg?


2 posted on 04/29/2012 9:42:16 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Iceberg? What iceberg?

To further the analogy in mediaspeak:

The Titanic's 'recovery' has been slowed down by the gradual flooding of its forward compartments.

3 posted on 04/29/2012 9:51:35 PM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I will probably get banned from FR for saying this, but folks need to accept the truth.

This is NOT the Obama Economy (wish I slap Hannity every time he spews that crap). We are in a long-wave contraction; four years into a decade of deleveraging and wealth elimination. This is global. It is going to get worse before it gets better.

The biggest mistake both Bush and Obama made was treating this economic cycle like a "recession." Deficit/stimulus spending has, in the past, been helpful in easing a "recession." But we are not in a "recession." We are in a long-wave contraction. You would think that after pumping several trillion dollars into the system, they would get the message.

Obviously not.

Both sides had a seat at this disaster table. A pox on both their houses. For decades they promised goodies in exchange for votes. For decades, the American public gobbled up whatever tripe they spewed out.

We had a chance, in 2010, to do something - but we didn't have enough power to effect real change in spending. Hate to be the messenger: it's now too late.

Wealth is contracting all over the world. ZIRP and hidden inflation will eat whatever is left.

Ultimately, Obama needs to be defeated because he has weakened us considerably as a country and in the World Theater. Our two best choices were Newt and Crazy Uncle Ron (absolutely right on monetary policy but off on foreign policy). We're stuck with Mittens. God help us.

4 posted on 04/29/2012 9:52:42 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I will probably get banned from FR for saying this, but folks need to accept the truth.

This is NOT the Obama Economy (wish I slap Hannity every time he spews that crap). We are in a long-wave contraction; four years into a decade of deleveraging and wealth elimination. This is global. It is going to get worse before it gets better.

The biggest mistake both Bush and Obama made was treating this economic cycle like a "recession." Deficit/stimulus spending has, in the past, been helpful in easing a "recession." But we are not in a "recession." We are in a long-wave contraction. You would think that after pumping several trillion dollars into the system, they would get the message.

Obviously not.

Both sides had a seat at this disaster table. A pox on both their houses. For decades they promised goodies in exchange for votes. For decades, the American public gobbled up whatever tripe they spewed out.

We had a chance, in 2010, to do something - but we didn't have enough power to effect real change in spending. Hate to be the messenger: it's now too late.

Wealth is contracting all over the world. ZIRP and hidden inflation will eat whatever is left.

Ultimately, Obama needs to be defeated because he has weakened us considerably as a country and in the World Theater. Our two best choices were Newt and Crazy Uncle Ron (absolutely right on monetary policy but off on foreign policy). We're stuck with Mittens. God help us.

5 posted on 04/29/2012 9:52:58 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Lurker

Yes, the Old Grey Whore, spewing out more lies. This IS the OBAMAECONOMY. He has been in office 3 and a half years and there has been NO improvement. EPIC FAIL.


6 posted on 04/29/2012 9:58:33 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: TheWriterTX

Obama increased the debt of every man woman and child in the country by about $20,000 over his term.

Obamacare and the threat of increased taxes has stopped small business employers in their tracks from hiring.

Obama has blocked massive amounts of oil and coal development
increasing the cost of everything - that and endless printing of dollars...

It is true the credit bubble happened before Obama’s term but he was a major player in pushing the credit bubble when in congress and state government.

Obama has made things profoundly worse.


7 posted on 04/29/2012 10:16:32 PM PDT by DB
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
How's this for an average, yuh Clock Beater!
 
Average Unemployment:
 
2006  4.6
2007  4.6
2008  5.8
2009  9.3
2010  9.6
2011  8.9(and this is a horse crap phony number)
 
Now look at total employment historical stats:
 
 
 
 
 

8 posted on 04/29/2012 10:25:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TheWriterTX

Actually it is the Obama Economy. He has worsened the cycle and his incompetent staff couldn’t get a clue at a buffet give away.


9 posted on 04/29/2012 10:27:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DB
Don't know why you posted the reply, DB. I already stated that he and Bush both were stupid for dumping $5 Trillion into a sinking economy. Also stated that he was made us considerably weaker and needs to be defeated.

Sorry, though, I'm sick of the lie that this is all Obama's fault; or the flip side, that if we elect a Republican things will magically get better. They won't. The next President will inherit a financial graveyard. There isn't a policy change on the planet that will fix this.

10 posted on 04/29/2012 10:32:46 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: TheWriterTX
Sorry, though, I'm sick of the lie that this is all Obama's fault; or the flip side, that if we elect a Republican things will magically get better. They won't. The next President will inherit a financial graveyard. There isn't a policy change on the planet that will fix this.

Sure there are, as long as your goals are realistic (IOW, no 'instant fix' to 5% unemployment within a year)and policies are sensible - reducing corporate taxation, deficit spending and government waste will make dramatic economic improvements if done competently - both our neighbors Canada and Mexico are doing much better than the US relatively speaking at this point in time with more sensible fiscal and monetary policies.

People were saying just about what you were during Jimmy Carter's latter days, and looked how that turned out after a year or so of economic austerity. To say that the US is in some sort of unique economic 'graveyard' is basically only defeatism.

11 posted on 04/29/2012 11:05:30 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: TheWriterTX
History has clearly illustrated that tax cuts provisions have a very positive effect on the economy and produces larger tax revenue. JFK, Ronald Reagan, and Bush created a growing economy as a result.

What is left out of the picture are the different philosophies of Democrats and Republicans. Bush came into office with a Clinton recession. He then coped with 9/11 economic disaster and massive cost for both the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars.

President Bush tax cuts worked. During his first six years of his administration, until Sept 2007, he had accomplished in bringing down the unemployment numbers to 4.4%. In economic terms, that is pretty much considered full employment. He was also on a glide path with the Debt trajectory sharply coming down.

So what happen! The same disaster that always happens to Republicans. They lose control of Congress to the Democrats. The party who controls Congress will pretty much dictate where the economy philosophy of the legislation that they will produce.

If you take a look at President Clinton first years, he was very fortunate to have a Republican controlled Congress. Clinton was forced to come to the middle and agree with Republicans on important conservative oriented fiscal legislation. He also benefited from the greatest militarily downsize in the history of the nation. Not only did the Republican led Senate help him from impeachment, you can say that the Republicans in Congress saved him economically. By the time Bush came into office, the economy had taken a turn towards recession because the Democrats won control of the Congress from the Republicans.

What does it matter? Everything! Democrats change the conservative approach to government 180 degrees. They began on a spending spree, they fought tax cuts, they push for more entitlement programs, etc with President Bush bipartisan help.

President Bush won election with a new Republican controlled Congress. Again the free market approach of the Republican Congress quickly began to show positive results with increased revenue, sharp increase in national employment figures in all sectors, a strong military, etc. The media, aligned and coordinated with the radically liberal Democrats illustrated daily their perfectly bias reporting. They hyped favorable coverage to the Democrat Party and attacked or discounted all favorable data for the Bush Administration. The media focused on the Iraq War and continued to hid or sensor Bush economic successes.

In the last two years of President Bush Administration, the Democrats gain control once again of the Congress. Immediately, all legislative priorities and focus shifted dramatically toward massive increased spending on social programs. Bush in a bipartisan effort pushed a prescription drug program to his discredit.

Obama, never receives any blame for the spending spree of the Democrat controlled Congress in which he served as a US Senator. The escalating social ineptness hitting us today were spurred while Obama and the Democrats controlled Congress. It was under his watch. Obama was and is the largest proponent of spending. Although the Banking and Home Mortgage Industry encountered problems long before the Democrats took control of the Congress, they were in charge and acted as road blocks to impede any action by the Bush Administration to get a handled on the upcoming crisis.

Why is it that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi who control Congress during the critical years of spending, get such a free pass from the mainstream media? Where are the Republican leaders who are standing up to defend Bush and call out the Democrats in Congress for their socialistic spending spree while they control Congresses prior to Obama election. Obama is just carrying on what he learned as a Democrat US Senator.

12 posted on 04/29/2012 11:34:13 PM PDT by Col Vit
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To: TheWriterTX

You are not alone for holding this view among freepers.

While I have some problems with Richard Koo’s solutions to a balance sheet recession, I agree with his diagnosis of the problem.

The only saving grace the US and Canada had were the influx of immigrants who had bulwarked the fertility rate. If the recent reports about more Mexicans leaving than coming continues as a long term trend, the US is looking at the same demographic inverted pyramid as Japan and Spain.

Just this week Spain abruptly ended socialized health care benefits to illegal aliens, while Spain’s native population has the lowest fertility rate in Europe.

The US and Spain have plenty of real estate bubble housing stock sitting vacant, and no young families to fill the homes.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 12:03:20 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“A stark divide is developing on the campaign trail. President Obama is centering his agenda on policies to address economic inequality — including more manufacturing jobs and educational opportunities. Mitt Romney is focused on tax cuts for the rich, budget cuts for the poor, and on blaming Mr. Obama for the economic shambles created in the Bush years”.

Wow, in all of the years I have been suffering through Ny Times editorials, that has got to be the most biased paragraph I have ever read. Campaign season has officially begun,


14 posted on 04/30/2012 12:24:15 AM PDT by Oregon Coast Conservative
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
tax cuts for the rich,

Ya know, for just ONCE, I wish the Rich Fat Cats at the NYT would care about America and it's workers, not its unionists, but it's workers, over their tiresome, politically correct political agenda!!!

Yeah, fat chance.

15 posted on 04/30/2012 1:13:51 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The sky is falling, the sky is falling..................


16 posted on 04/30/2012 1:17:34 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Vendome
The BLS database is down at the moment, so I can't quote the exact employed number.

From memory.....

Between February 2009 (Obama’s first full month) and March 2012 (last reported month), the total number of employed persons went up 700,000.

In the same time period, total USA population went up more than 10 million.

According to ECRI, the Great Recession “officially” ended in June 2009, almost 3 years ago, and just 4 months after Obama took office.

17 posted on 04/30/2012 2:02:41 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: JerseyHighlander
Re: “The US and Spain have plenty of real estate bubble housing stock sitting vacant, and no young families to fill the homes.”

I can't speak for Spain, but in the USA legal and illegal immigration played a major role in the housing bubble.

From memory.....

The top three foreclosure markets are in California's central valleys.

The next three are in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and southern Arizona.

As late as December 2007, Bank of America and Countrywide were running home mortgage ads that stated:

“No Social Security Number Required”

18 posted on 04/30/2012 2:18:17 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl
Humorous in a way. The NYT says that Obama is against inequality but that Romney is for it. They, of course, try to flowery speech their assertion, but that is essentially their message.

What is the truth about the American economy?

Excessive government steals incentive. In other words, it injures individual, family, and community spirit and hope.

This passage from Samuel says it very well:

“So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who had asked of him a king. And he said, “This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. “And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.

“He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers. “And he will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. “And he will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants. “He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys, and use them for his work. “He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants.

“Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.” Nevertheless, the people refused to listen to the voice of Samuel, and they said, “No, but there shall be a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations, that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.” (1 Samuel 8:10-20).

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19 posted on 04/30/2012 2:44:10 AM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
President Obama is centering his agenda on policies to address economic inequality — including more manufacturing jobs and educational opportunities. Mitt Romney is focused on tax cuts for the rich, budget cuts for the poor, and on blaming Mr. Obama for the economic shambles...

More heads-I-win-tails-you-lose 'reporting' from the NYTimes.

20 posted on 04/30/2012 3:01:35 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: TheWriterTX

“This is NOT the Obama Economy (wish I slap Hannity every time he spews that crap). We are in a long-wave contraction; four years into a decade of deleveraging and wealth elimination. This is global. It is going to get worse before it gets better.”

I agree with you and have said this before; Obama will suffer the fallout because 1) he acts like nothing is wrong, and 2) he has actively thwarted actions that might improve the lot of Americans.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 3:17:48 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: JerseyHighlander

“The only saving grace the US and Canada had were the influx of immigrants who had bulwarked the fertility rate. If the recent reports about more Mexicans leaving than coming continues as a long term trend, the US is looking at the same demographic inverted pyramid as Japan and Spain.”

At the same time we probably have more citizens than any other country that have made it clear they will never get a job or pay their way; the Hispanics were imported to replace them. Even if Mexicans did leave at a higher rate than they entered (which doesn’t ring true here in NJ), we still have millions of them here.

“Just this week Spain abruptly ended socialized health care benefits to illegal aliens, while Spain’s native population has the lowest fertility rate in Europe.”

Spain probably just connected the dots and realized the costs of illegals were part of the reason Spaniards had stopped breeding; how many children can young Americans have if they also get the bill for an illegal alien’s housing, school, food, etc.?

“The US and Spain have plenty of real estate bubble housing stock sitting vacant, and no young families to fill the homes.”

The US has plenty of people to fill the homes, they just don’t have enough that can afford them or want them. Every tenant is a potential homeowner, but the costs (especially here in NJ) deter many from buying a home and locking themselves into servitude to our government workers’ class. If people feel they can’t afford to have children, why should they lock themselves into arrangments where they cannot follow their jobs and they have to pay $6K+ annually for other children’s shooling?


22 posted on 04/30/2012 3:26:12 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obozo has given 5 trilion chineese dollars to his supporters that we all are on the hook for and this quota boy is still blaming Bush all the worlds ills ?
Quota boy sure is a P.O.S.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 3:34:22 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher
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24 posted on 04/30/2012 4:01:10 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: TheWriterTX

You would never get banned on FR for saying such a thing. Your comments are spot on.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 4:35:42 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: TheWriterTX

Here’s the way out of the graveyard:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq


26 posted on 04/30/2012 4:39:16 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“downshift”

Downshifting doesn’t pertain to the power of the engine. We’re losing engine power.

It’s a nice euphemism, though, suggesting there’s a driver in control. Where is our economy’s transmission?


27 posted on 04/30/2012 4:42:56 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
NY Times/Dinosaur Media Barf Alert.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as "the poor" have enough disposable $$ to get their tattoos, weaves, acrylic nails, cell phones, big screen TVs etc., then there is still plenty of cutting we can do on our FedGov entitlement spending.

I don't have the disposable $$ to throw away on that stuff even if I wanted it, so "the poor" can tighten their belts a whole lot more before they come running to me and other taxpayers with their hands out for more of my hard earned dollars.

28 posted on 04/30/2012 4:58:00 AM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: TheWriterTX

With virtually any other president in the past three years we would have seen quarters with 5-7% growth. Our economy was functioning fine five years ago. We saw a massive dip in late 2008, and would have a significant recovery had different politicies been enacted. The world economy would be much stronger if it’s largest player were not mired in a lengthy dip in GDP. This is 100% Obama and liberalism’s fault. We shifted to a european model. It was not born since Obamas inauguration, but large swaths of the socialist system have been put in place over that time.

Bush did little to nothing to build a socialist structure. Blaming him is absurd. He kept taxes low, believed in private sector and not centralized planning. His faults lie in not holding spending and not advancing he ball in reducing government. Blaming him for a failed socialist government is silly.


29 posted on 04/30/2012 5:01:37 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Col Vit

You are exactly right. We need to focus on electing TEA Party Representatives and Senators. Hatch and Lugar need to be just the tip of the iceberg. The GOP can only be rebuilt from the ground up.


30 posted on 04/30/2012 5:04:34 AM PDT by csmusaret (I want to defeat Obama! Therefore I am supporting Romney.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

There is a fertility gap in Europe of 1/2 a child - families want 2 kids but have 1.5. In the U.S., it’s a little less but still there.
If we lowered taxes on families, they’d have the money to have more kids.


31 posted on 04/30/2012 5:08:35 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“...and too fragile to withstand the kinds of budget cuts Congressional Republicans are proposing.”

“We’re so deep in debt that we cannot afford to spend less.”


32 posted on 04/30/2012 5:12:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ilgipper
With virtually any other president in the past three years we would have seen quarters with 5-7% growth.

Do you honestly believe we would have had that rate of growth with a President McCain?

33 posted on 04/30/2012 5:31:48 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Right Brother

—The Titanic’s ‘recovery’ has been slowed down by the gradual flooding of its forward compartments.—

^^^this.

I laughed at the “we’re in a recover” folks. We were like a family about to lose their home and dad found some $10 gift card when he opened his eyes, face down in the gutter. So there was a “growth” spurt. Big deal. The hundred bucks is gone and, uh, where were we. Oh yeah, watching and living the greatest socioeconomic crash in the history of mankind.


34 posted on 04/30/2012 5:43:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TheWriterTX

I bought my small farm in central KY two weeks before the election in 2008 because I didn’t care which side won. This is a hundred year storm (worse, actually) and I now have a strong belief that we are going headlong into Ezekiel 39.

I believe we are living in the prelude to biblical end times prophesy. So yes, It has to get worse before it gets better.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 5:46:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TheWriterTX

—The next President will inherit a financial graveyard. There isn’t a policy change on the planet that will fix this.—

Exactly how I see it. I’ve likened our situation, politically, to us being a bus going 70 mph and the driver FINALLY looks up and notices there is a concrete wall 50 feet in front of us. No matter who we “elect” as driver, we’re gonna hit the wall at full speed.

The time for judicious application of the brakes has long passed.


36 posted on 04/30/2012 5:50:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Col Vit

What happened in 2007 was the housing bubble burst. The housing bubble is what gave us those swell, but false, numbers.

Actually, once the housing bubble burst, our (the world’s) fate was cast in concrete. And the simple fact that the amount of austerity that would be required to get us out of this mess at all would be so devastating that it would lead to an economic death spiral and massive rioting. i.e. no politician could do it.

It will end in hyperinflation. It is the only think the politicians can do that will not, initially, hurt them politically. But the smart ones will be buying cabins in the woods and lots of long term food supplies.


37 posted on 04/30/2012 5:54:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Hostage

—Here’s the way out of the graveyard:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

That would have been a good idea a decade ago. It’s too late now. It is too late for ANY solution that is not dependent at it’s core on prayer. There is no human solution to this. We will fall all the way to the bottom. Only then will the phoenix rise.


38 posted on 04/30/2012 5:59:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TheWriterTX

“I will probably get banned from FR”

Only if you repeat yourself.


39 posted on 04/30/2012 6:46:35 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

More leftist drivel from the home of that economic genius, Krugman


40 posted on 04/30/2012 7:00:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: zeestephen

Praise Jesus.


41 posted on 04/30/2012 9:41:40 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Post Toasties
Not defeatism. Realistic. The wealth contraction isn't limited to one sector of one economy; it's global.

Even IF we can right our ship of state, the rest of the world is tumbling around us.

In short; it's a depression, folks, not a recession. The sooner we accept that, the easier it will be to mop up when the contraction is complete.

42 posted on 04/30/2012 2:33:06 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: Post Toasties
Not defeatism. Realistic. The wealth contraction isn't limited to one sector of one economy; it's global.

Even IF we can right our ship of state, the rest of the world is tumbling around us.

In short; it's a depression, folks, not a recession. The sooner we accept that, the easier it will be to mop up when the contraction is complete.

43 posted on 04/30/2012 2:33:21 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: TheWriterTX
the demcorrupts held the senate and the house, in 2007 didn't they?....they did nothing but destroy what was once a robust and positive and confident economy....

its the democorrupts....

44 posted on 04/30/2012 9:02:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: tbw2
lower taxes so moms could stay home and households could be sane again without all the coming and going....

be nice if we could get more people into family centered churches as well...children are a blessing that used to be crowed about but now, they're an inconvenience...

45 posted on 04/30/2012 9:08:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cuban leaf
I think you're wrong.....all it would take would for a forceful Romney to annouce that we are drilling everywhere, that we will build pipelines, and we will build more refineries...

control our energy needs and we'll turn this thing around....eventually...

46 posted on 04/30/2012 9:12:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
Sorry, Cherry, but you are missing the much larger picture. Wealth is collapsing on a macroeconomic level. This is not the collapse of one sector of one nation's economy. This is global.

It was coming, no matter who was in office. It will continue, no matter who is in office. The only thing the next President can do is help us mop up when we finally hit bottom.

Pray to God that person is NOT Obama.

47 posted on 05/01/2012 5:35:32 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: EVO X

Sure. We hit 2%+ with this current regime. Any normal recovery has at least a couple quarters where growth jumps. With McCain, despite all his weaknesses, would not have a looming threat of massive tax increases, trillions in wasted spending, no Obamacare, and much better housing policies than what we had. We would not have soaring growth long term, but we would have had a normal recovery.

We are basically sitting in the bottom of a huge downturn in the current situation, and that is not something we have experienced until this adminstration jacked up spending and government interference in nearly every sector.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 7:40:14 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: xzins

Excellent Scripture, dear brother in Christ, thank you!!!


49 posted on 05/01/2012 9:11:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ilgipper

I think we would of been marginally better, but Europe and the financial sector would still be the issue that it is today.


50 posted on 05/02/2012 4:01:15 AM PDT by EVO X
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