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Posted on 04/29/2012 11:01:35 PM PDT by DallasBiff

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To: thackney

Is electrical energy produced? yes or no

If your answer is “from the moving air” then what is the difference between the air before going through the turbine and after it comes out of the turbine?

61 posted on 05/03/2012 7:04:17 AM PDT by cymbeline

To: cymbeline

Momentum is reduced, not temperature.

If you won’t accept the difference between potential energy, and absolute energy values, or that velocity is only a relative measurement, not an absolute measurement like tenperature, then I cannot explain it to you.

Velocity is similar to potential energy in height with gravity. If I raise a rock above the ground, I have supplied potential energy. But I did not raise the temperature of the rock by lifting, nor will it cool as it crutches what it lands upon.

Velocity is the same way. It has no measurement accept in creation to something else. Temperature is an absolute value and needs no reference frame. Think of throwing a ball or throwing a ball from a moving truck and the again thrown inside a moving truck. You cannot relate the velocity to the object’s tempature.

62 posted on 05/03/2012 7:45:55 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)

To: cymbeline
Sorry, Blackberry keyboard and fat fingers do not make a good combination

nor will it cool as it crushes what it lands...

Velocity is the same way. It has no measurement accept in relation to something else.

63 posted on 05/03/2012 7:55:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)

To: thackney

“won’t accept the difference”

Of course velocity is relative, and temperature has an absolute zero but in thermodynamics it’s differences in temperature that you deal with.

Now answer the questions I posed. Here are the first two:

Is electrical energy produced by the turbine?

Where does that energy come from?

Say as much as you want but make sure you answer the questions.

64 posted on 05/03/2012 9:46:39 AM PDT by cymbeline

To: cymbeline

Yes electrical energy is produced by the transfer of momentum of the air to the rotational force on the turbine.

The only effects on temperature are the friction of the moving surfaces and the inefficiencies of the wind turbine equipment. Both of these produce heat.

There is no drop in temperature.

65 posted on 05/03/2012 9:56:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)

To: cymbeline

I have been referring to the energy in the moving mass as potential energy in relation to the still frame of reference of the windmill.

A better term is kinetic energy. Momentum is the mass times the velocity. Work is the mass times acceleration (deceleration of the wind mass). Kinetic energy is 1/2 the mass times the velocity squared.

When the wind strikes the turbine blades, the momentum of the collision must remain the same. In reality it is less of a collision and more of a sliding pull. But the result is a slight slowing of the air flow. Momentum is transferred from the air to the rotating blades. The slowing of the wind is a reduction of the air’s kinetic energy. This kinetic energy is the source electrical power transferred through the blades, rotor and generator. Each of those devices have some degree of inefficiency and each one generates heat due to the inefficiencies like friction.

There is no cooling, only heating and transfer of kinetic energy to electrical energy.

66 posted on 05/03/2012 10:55:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)

To: thackney

Forget momentum. Collisions don’t have momentum. The sum of the momentums of two particles that elastically collide remains the same after the collision. Nothing about energy here.

The energy of each molecule is proportional to the square of its velocity. Slow it down and it gives up energy, and the law of conservation of energy says the energy goes somewhere.

In a gas, molecular motion is its energy. The energy is felt as wind and heat. Wind is a net motion in some direction. Heat is random motion.

In our discussions we’re talking about a gas that’s at a constant pressure.

67 posted on 05/03/2012 6:33:46 PM PDT by cymbeline

To: cymbeline

I am sorry but are simply making things up and ignoring basic physics. This has become a conversation of you claiming red is really blue.

I don’t care to find new ways to explain the same thing over and over.

Have a nice day.

68 posted on 05/04/2012 3:32:40 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)